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New tube map has mistake
Arthur Conan Doyle wrote:
Roland Perry wrote: You'd probably have to look for Heathrow Airport strategic travel plans. This article is quite dated, and I'm not sure the detail about fares is still valid, but it does show there was intent to protect HX. http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s...o-takeoff.html "Because Heathrow Connect services will not be advertised as through trains and will always be overtaken en route, Murphy believes most London - Heathrow passengers will continue to use the fast trains. There will be no through tickets other than the full Heathrow Express fares." Thanks, that's an interesting article from 14 years ago. It's an interesting reminder of how projects slip even when they're not notoriously delayed: "In the longer term, Heathrow Connect may be absorbed by Crossrail Line 1, which plans to operate four trains/h into Heathrow Airport from around 2014. BAA Rail is also pushing ahead with the Airtrack project to extend the Terminal 5 branch to carry local services to and from the southwest suburbs." So the full Crossrail 1 will finally run to Heathrow more than five years later than was expected back in 2004, and Airtrack is still no more than a (renamed) concept, with no possibility of opening before 2030. |
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-sept ember.org, at 23:28:08 on Wed, 30 May 2018, Recliner remarked: http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s...o-takeoff.html "Because Heathrow Connect services will not be advertised as through trains and will always be overtaken en route, Murphy believes most London - Heathrow passengers will continue to use the fast trains. There will be no through tickets other than the full Heathrow Express fares." Thanks, that's an interesting article from 14 years ago. It's an interesting reminder of how projects slip even when they're not notoriously delayed: "In the longer term, Heathrow Connect may be absorbed by Crossrail Line 1, which plans to operate four trains/h into Heathrow Airport from around 2014. BAA Rail is also pushing ahead with the Airtrack project to extend the Terminal 5 branch to carry local services to and from the southwest suburbs." So the full Crossrail 1 will finally run to Heathrow more than five years later than was expected back in 2004, and Airtrack is still no more than a (renamed) concept, with no possibility of opening before 2030. BAA was issuing maps in 1998 showing Heathrow Express to St Pancras [via West Hampstead] "From 2001", plus undated Airtrack and the western link to GWML. London Underground in 1995, were claiming St Pancras would open for Channel Tunnel traffic in 2002 and the Jubilee Line extension to Stratford by 1998. Crossrail was "planned" (no date given). Other projects included the Croxley Rail link, the East London Line Extension (finally opened in 2010), and the least delayed item the Heathrow T5 station, opened in 2008 versus a predicted 2003. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message -sept ember.org, at 23:28:08 on Wed, 30 May 2018, Recliner remarked: http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s...o-takeoff.html "Because Heathrow Connect services will not be advertised as through trains and will always be overtaken en route, Murphy believes most London - Heathrow passengers will continue to use the fast trains. There will be no through tickets other than the full Heathrow Express fares." Thanks, that's an interesting article from 14 years ago. It's an interesting reminder of how projects slip even when they're not notoriously delayed: "In the longer term, Heathrow Connect may be absorbed by Crossrail Line 1, which plans to operate four trains/h into Heathrow Airport from around 2014. BAA Rail is also pushing ahead with the Airtrack project to extend the Terminal 5 branch to carry local services to and from the southwest suburbs." So the full Crossrail 1 will finally run to Heathrow more than five years later than was expected back in 2004, and Airtrack is still no more than a (renamed) concept, with no possibility of opening before 2030. BAA was issuing maps in 1998 showing Heathrow Express to St Pancras [via West Hampstead] "From 2001", plus undated Airtrack and the western link to GWML. London Underground in 1995, were claiming St Pancras would open for Channel Tunnel traffic in 2002 and the Jubilee Line extension to Stratford by 1998. That was close: it opened in 1999. Crossrail was "planned" (no date given). Other projects included the Croxley Rail link, the East London Line Extension (finally opened in 2010), and the least delayed item the Heathrow T5 station, opened in 2008 versus a predicted 2003. At least it opened along with the terminal. |
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-sept ember.org, at 08:20:54 on Thu, 31 May 2018, Recliner remarked: London Underground in 1995, were claiming St Pancras would open for Channel Tunnel traffic in 2002 and the Jubilee Line extension to Stratford by 1998. That was close: it opened in 1999. "Construction officially started in December 1993, expected to take 53 months [#8, which is Hansard June 1993]." (Wikipedia) 1/1/93+53mths = Jun97; thus I suspect the "by 1998" above was an attempt to convey "might slip to the end of 1997". I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Wikipedia that subsequent dates quoted are a correct reflection of the cites... "By November 1997 a September 1998 date was planned.[10] By June 1998, opening was planned in Spring 1999.[11] By November 1998, a phased opening, previously rejected, was being considered, with Stratford to North Greenwich planned for spring 1999, to Waterloo for summer 1999, and the link to the Jubilee line for autumn 1999.[12][13] This scheme was followed, with the first phase opening on 14 May 1999, the second on 24 September, and the third on 20 November. Westminster, complicated by the interface with the subsurface platforms, which remained in operation, opened on 22 December 1999, shortly before the Millennium Dome deadline". So yes, a gentle slide, rather than a major calamity. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message -sept ember.org, at 08:20:54 on Thu, 31 May 2018, Recliner remarked: London Underground in 1995, were claiming St Pancras would open for Channel Tunnel traffic in 2002 and the Jubilee Line extension to Stratford by 1998. That was close: it opened in 1999. "Construction officially started in December 1993, expected to take 53 months [#8, which is Hansard June 1993]." (Wikipedia) 1/1/93+53mths = Jun97; thus I suspect the "by 1998" above was an attempt to convey "might slip to the end of 1997". Er, Dec 1993 isn't 1/1/93. 53 months after Dec 1993 would be April 1998. I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Wikipedia that subsequent dates quoted are a correct reflection of the cites... "By November 1997 a September 1998 date was planned.[10] By June 1998, opening was planned in Spring 1999.[11] By November 1998, a phased opening, previously rejected, was being considered, with Stratford to North Greenwich planned for spring 1999, to Waterloo for summer 1999, and the link to the Jubilee line for autumn 1999.[12][13] This scheme was followed, with the first phase opening on 14 May 1999, the second on 24 September, and the third on 20 November. Westminster, complicated by the interface with the subsurface platforms, which remained in operation, opened on 22 December 1999, shortly before the Millennium Dome deadline". So yes, a gentle slide, rather than a major calamity. The bigger slippage was the signalling. The originally planned moving block signalling had to be hurriedly replaced by conventional signalling so as to get the extension open during 1999, just in time for the hard deadline of the midnight party in the big tent. In fact, they only got the moving block signalling working in mid 2011, just before the next hard deadline of the London Olympics: http://www.risktec.tuv.com/knowledge-bank/technical-articles/sending-the-right-signals---new-signalling-technology-for-the-jubilee-line.aspx |
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-sept ember.org, at 10:17:43 on Thu, 31 May 2018, Recliner remarked: Roland Perry wrote: In message -sept ember.org, at 08:20:54 on Thu, 31 May 2018, Recliner remarked: London Underground in 1995, were claiming St Pancras would open for Channel Tunnel traffic in 2002 and the Jubilee Line extension to Stratford by 1998. That was close: it opened in 1999. "Construction officially started in December 1993, expected to take 53 months [#8, which is Hansard June 1993]." (Wikipedia) 1/1/93+53mths = Jun97; thus I suspect the "by 1998" above was an attempt to convey "might slip to the end of 1997". Er, Dec 1993 isn't 1/1/93. 53 months after Dec 1993 would be April 1998. True, I really meant 1/1/94 (I doubt they did much over the Xmas break), so we appear to have converged on "by the end of Q2 1998". I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Wikipedia that subsequent dates quoted are a correct reflection of the cites... "By November 1997 a September 1998 date was planned.[10] By June 1998, opening was planned in Spring 1999.[11] By November 1998, a phased opening, previously rejected, was being considered, with Stratford to North Greenwich planned for spring 1999, to Waterloo for summer 1999, and the link to the Jubilee line for autumn 1999.[12][13] This scheme was followed, with the first phase opening on 14 May 1999, the second on 24 September, and the third on 20 November. Westminster, complicated by the interface with the subsurface platforms, which remained in operation, opened on 22 December 1999, shortly before the Millennium Dome deadline". So yes, a gentle slide, rather than a major calamity. The bigger slippage was the signalling. The originally planned moving block Biggest cause of the slippage, perhaps, but every project will have one of those, and it's failing to allow for that inevitability which is the downfall of most such early predictions. -- Roland Perry |
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