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Recliner[_3_] June 18th 19 08:52 AM

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001



tim... June 18th 19 09:57 AM

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"Recliner" wrote in message
...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


well I don't know about the rest,

but I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no business
at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of disruption whilst they
rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport entirely unreasonable

tim




Graeme Wall June 18th 19 10:44 AM

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On 18/06/2019 09:52, Recliner wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001



Just had the notice through the letter box.

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Graeme Wall June 18th 19 10:44 AM

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On 18/06/2019 10:57, tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


well I don't know about the rest,

but I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of
disruption whilst they rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport
entirely unreasonable


Highly unlikely ever to happen.


--
Graeme Wall
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Roland Perry June 18th 19 11:21 AM

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In message , at 08:52:25 on Tue, 18 Jun
2019, Recliner remarked:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


"It proposes a staggered approach with the new runway to be built in the
first phase by 2026, with the rest of the airport infrastructure -
including new terminals and access - to be complete by around 2050".

24 years of overcrowding hell. Although we all know that phase 2 will
never happen.

"the plan also outlines a new low-emission zone for the airport, meaning
additional charges for those who drive a more polluting vehicle to the
airport"

Which is a bit cheeky if they aren't even claiming to be implementing
additional public transport to the airport for decades. The car parking
charges (even for a quick pickup) are already high enough to dissuade
anyone who doesn't absolutely have to drive (or is so rich the cost is
irrelevant).

--
Roland Perry

tim... June 18th 19 11:35 AM

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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 18/06/2019 10:57, tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


well I don't know about the rest,

but I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of disruption
whilst they rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport entirely
unreasonable


Highly unlikely ever to happen.


I'm glad you agree with me

:-)

tim




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Roland Perry June 18th 19 11:37 AM

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In message , at 11:44:39 on Tue, 18 Jun
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of
disruption whilst they rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport
entirely unreasonable


Highly unlikely ever to happen.


Boris did promise to lay down in front of the bulldozer, after all.
--
Roland Perry

Recliner[_3_] June 18th 19 11:50 AM

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On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:37:40 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 11:44:39 on Tue, 18 Jun
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of
disruption whilst they rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport
entirely unreasonable


Highly unlikely ever to happen.


Boris did promise to lay down in front of the bulldozer, after all.


True to form, I gather he's backed down from that commitment.

Graeme Wall June 18th 19 12:01 PM

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On 18/06/2019 12:37, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:44:39 on Tue, 18 Jun
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of
disruption whilst they rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport
entirely unreasonable


Highly unlikely ever to happen.


Boris did promise to lay down in front of the bulldozer, after all.


Promises promises!

Is that when he expects to be kidnapped by an alien spaceship?

--
Graeme Wall
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Graeme Wall June 18th 19 12:02 PM

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On 18/06/2019 12:21, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:52:25 on Tue, 18 Jun
2019, Recliner remarked:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


"It proposes a staggered approach with the new runway to be built in the
first phase by 2026, with the rest of the airport infrastructure -
including new terminals and access - to be complete by around 2050".

24 years of overcrowding hell. Although we all know that phase 2 will
never happen.

"the plan also outlines a new low-emission zone for the airport, meaning
additional charges for those who drive a more polluting vehicle to the
airport"


Does that include Airbuses and Boeings?



--
Graeme Wall
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Recliner[_3_] June 18th 19 12:06 PM

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On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:02:49 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 18/06/2019 12:21, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 08:52:25 on Tue, 18 Jun
2019, Recliner remarked:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


"It proposes a staggered approach with the new runway to be built in the
first phase by 2026, with the rest of the airport infrastructure -
including new terminals and access - to be complete by around 2050".

24 years of overcrowding hell. Although we all know that phase 2 will
never happen.

"the plan also outlines a new low-emission zone for the airport, meaning
additional charges for those who drive a more polluting vehicle to the
airport"


Does that include Airbuses and Boeings?


That already happens: noisier, more polluting planes pay higher
charges.

Recliner[_3_] June 18th 19 12:11 PM

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On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 11:44:39 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 18/06/2019 10:57, tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


well I don't know about the rest,

but I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of
disruption whilst they rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport
entirely unreasonable


Highly unlikely ever to happen.


Do you mean Heathrow expansion at all, or this particular version of
the plan?

Graeme Wall June 18th 19 12:47 PM

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On 18/06/2019 13:11, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 11:44:39 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 18/06/2019 10:57, tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


well I don't know about the rest,

but I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of
disruption whilst they rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport
entirely unreasonable


Highly unlikely ever to happen.


Do you mean Heathrow expansion at all, or this particular version of
the plan?


Can't see any major expansion of Heathrow happening. It is going to be
bogged down in legal and political arguments for decades. If you need
another runway in the south east, Gatwick or Stansted are the more
logical choices, they have the space and the basic infrastructure to
support expansion. Heathrow, infamously, doesn't have the infrastructure
to adequately support its current operations.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.


Recliner[_3_] June 18th 19 01:56 PM

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On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:47:19 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 18/06/2019 13:11, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 11:44:39 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 18/06/2019 10:57, tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


well I don't know about the rest,

but I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of
disruption whilst they rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport
entirely unreasonable


Highly unlikely ever to happen.


Do you mean Heathrow expansion at all, or this particular version of
the plan?


Can't see any major expansion of Heathrow happening. It is going to be
bogged down in legal and political arguments for decades. If you need
another runway in the south east, Gatwick or Stansted are the more
logical choices, they have the space and the basic infrastructure to
support expansion. Heathrow, infamously, doesn't have the infrastructure
to adequately support its current operations.


It'll be interesting to see if this plan finally takes off. It's been
around, in one form or another, for many years, but it finally seems
to have some momentum now.

I think Gatwick's cheapo (0.5bn) second runway probably will happen,
well before Heathrow gets another runway. The Gatwick project is
relatively small, and I don't know if it even needs planning
permission (as it doesn't require any expansion of the airport
footprint, new terminals, new roads, etc).

Technically, it's not a new runway, just moving one of the existing
runways 12m sideways and widening it. The agreement not to use both
runways at once runs out this summer, so there shouldn't be any real
obstacles in the way. It has much more political support than Heathrow
has, mainly because its flightpaths don't cross London.

But, given Stansted's spare capacity, I don't think it will be even
requesting a second runway any time soon.

Roland Perry June 18th 19 02:26 PM

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In message , at 14:56:47 on
Tue, 18 Jun 2019, Recliner remarked:

But, given Stansted's spare capacity, I don't think it will be even
requesting a second runway any time soon.


Apart from this (admittedly old) one?

http://stopstanstedexpansion.com/maps.html
--
Roland Perry

Recliner[_3_] June 18th 19 02:57 PM

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:56:47 on
Tue, 18 Jun 2019, Recliner remarked:

But, given Stansted's spare capacity, I don't think it will be even
requesting a second runway any time soon.


Apart from this (admittedly old) one?

http://stopstanstedexpansion.com/maps.html


That proposal was abandoned years ago by the previous owner. The current
owner shows no interest in investing in a new runway.


Roland Perry June 18th 19 03:04 PM

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In message , at 14:57:41 on Tue, 18 Jun
2019, Recliner remarked:

But, given Stansted's spare capacity, I don't think it will be even
requesting a second runway any time soon.


Apart from this (admittedly old) one?

http://stopstanstedexpansion.com/maps.html


That proposal was abandoned years ago by the previous owner. The current
owner shows no interest in investing in a new runway.


Sure, but there's a plan on the back burner. It takes decades for these
things to mature.
--
Roland Perry

Recliner[_3_] June 18th 19 03:12 PM

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:57:41 on Tue, 18 Jun
2019, Recliner remarked:

But, given Stansted's spare capacity, I don't think it will be even
requesting a second runway any time soon.

Apart from this (admittedly old) one?

http://stopstanstedexpansion.com/maps.html


That proposal was abandoned years ago by the previous owner. The current
owner shows no interest in investing in a new runway.


Sure, but there's a plan on the back burner. It takes decades for these
things to mature.


So are you agreeing or disagreeing with what I said ("I don't think it will
be even requesting a second runway any time soon")?


Graeme Wall June 18th 19 04:27 PM

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On 18/06/2019 14:56, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:47:19 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 18/06/2019 13:11, Recliner wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 11:44:39 +0100, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 18/06/2019 10:57, tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


well I don't know about the rest,

but I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of
disruption whilst they rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport
entirely unreasonable


Highly unlikely ever to happen.

Do you mean Heathrow expansion at all, or this particular version of
the plan?


Can't see any major expansion of Heathrow happening. It is going to be
bogged down in legal and political arguments for decades. If you need
another runway in the south east, Gatwick or Stansted are the more
logical choices, they have the space and the basic infrastructure to
support expansion. Heathrow, infamously, doesn't have the infrastructure
to adequately support its current operations.


It'll be interesting to see if this plan finally takes off. It's been
around, in one form or another, for many years, but it finally seems
to have some momentum now.


The last third runway proposals, that involved wiping out Sipson and
Harmondsworth, got about this far before collapsing.



--
Graeme Wall
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tim... June 18th 19 04:40 PM

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"Recliner" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:37:40 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 11:44:39 on Tue, 18 Jun
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of
disruption whilst they rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport
entirely unreasonable

Highly unlikely ever to happen.


Boris did promise to lay down in front of the bulldozer, after all.


True to form, I gather he's backed down from that commitment.


but that doesn't mean that he's backed away from not liking it

and therefore might cancel it when he has the lever to do so




MissRiaElaine June 18th 19 05:24 PM

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On 18/06/2019 09:52, Recliner wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


Total waste of time. A far better plan would have been a second runway
at Gatwick.


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Arthur Figgis June 18th 19 06:34 PM

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On 18/06/2019 12:37, Roland Perry wrote:

Boris did promise to lay down in front of the bulldozer, after all.


Have they got one with a big enough cab to take all the people offering
to drive it?

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

JNugent[_5_] June 18th 19 07:02 PM

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On 18/06/2019 18:24, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 18/06/2019 09:52, Recliner wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


Total waste of time. A far better plan would have been a second runway
at Gatwick.


....or a new terminal and a few road improvements - and maybe a rail spur
- at Manston.

Graeme Wall June 18th 19 07:09 PM

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On 18/06/2019 20:02, JNugent wrote:
On 18/06/2019 18:24, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 18/06/2019 09:52, Recliner wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


Total waste of time. A far better plan would have been a second runway
at Gatwick.


...or a new terminal and a few road improvements - and maybe a rail spur
- at Manston.

They need Manston to park all the lorries on 1st November

--
Graeme Wall
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tim... June 18th 19 08:21 PM

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"JNugent" wrote in message
...
On 18/06/2019 18:24, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 18/06/2019 09:52, Recliner wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


Total waste of time. A far better plan would have been a second runway at
Gatwick.


...or a new terminal and a few road improvements - and maybe a rail spur -
at Manston.


only in their dreams




Recliner[_3_] June 18th 19 08:46 PM

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tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:37:40 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 11:44:39 on Tue, 18 Jun
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of
disruption whilst they rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport
entirely unreasonable

Highly unlikely ever to happen.

Boris did promise to lay down in front of the bulldozer, after all.


True to form, I gather he's backed down from that commitment.


but that doesn't mean that he's backed away from not liking it

and therefore might cancel it when he has the lever to do so


Johnson changes his principles more often than his hairdo. It suited him
(and his successor) to oppose Heathrow expansion while mayor of London (I
think Khan was pro-expansion when he was a transport minister).

Boris got quieter on the subject when he became MP for a constituency with
many Heathrow workers, and might well flip if he becomes PM and discovers
that the business community that he's already offended, and key Tory donors
strongly support Heathrow expansion.


Basil Jet[_4_] June 18th 19 11:15 PM

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On 18/06/2019 20:02, JNugent wrote:
On 18/06/2019 18:24, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 18/06/2019 09:52, Recliner wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


Total waste of time. A far better plan would have been a second runway
at Gatwick.


...or a new terminal and a few road improvements - and maybe a rail spur
- at Manston.


I think the extra runway is to steal the intercontinental passengers who
are currently transferring at Schiphol, so I don't see how a new
terminal at Manston is going to help.

--
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JNugent[_5_] June 18th 19 11:35 PM

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On 19/06/2019 00:15, Basil Jet wrote:
On 18/06/2019 20:02, JNugent wrote:
On 18/06/2019 18:24, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 18/06/2019 09:52, Recliner wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001

Total waste of time. A far better plan would have been a second
runway at Gatwick.


...or a new terminal and a few road improvements - and maybe a rail
spur - at Manston.


I think the extra runway is to steal the intercontinental passengers who
are currently transferring at Schiphol, so I don't see how a new
terminal at Manston is going to help.


It would mean that many short haul travellers in Kent and South East
Sussex would not have to slog over to Heathrow or even over to Stansted
or Gatwick, thereby reeieving them of the need to use the M25.

Recliner[_3_] June 19th 19 12:03 AM

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JNugent wrote:
On 19/06/2019 00:15, Basil Jet wrote:
On 18/06/2019 20:02, JNugent wrote:
On 18/06/2019 18:24, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 18/06/2019 09:52, Recliner wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001

Total waste of time. A far better plan would have been a second
runway at Gatwick.

...or a new terminal and a few road improvements - and maybe a rail
spur - at Manston.


I think the extra runway is to steal the intercontinental passengers who
are currently transferring at Schiphol, so I don't see how a new
terminal at Manston is going to help.


It would mean that many short haul travellers in Kent and South East
Sussex would not have to slog over to Heathrow or even over to Stansted
or Gatwick, thereby reeieving them of the need to use the M25.


Almost no airlines were interested in using it; the local catchment area is
much too small.


Recliner[_3_] June 19th 19 07:02 AM

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tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


well I don't know about the rest,

but I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no business
at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of disruption whilst they
rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport entirely unreasonable


Why do you think M25 users will suffer five years of disruption? It's more
likely to be a few night time closures or lane restrictions.


Basil Jet[_4_] June 19th 19 07:09 AM

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On 19/06/2019 08:02, Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


well I don't know about the rest,

but I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no business
at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of disruption whilst they
rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport entirely unreasonable


Why do you think M25 users will suffer five years of disruption? It's more
likely to be a few night time closures or lane restrictions.


I suspect they'll build a temporary road either side of the motorway,
divert the traffic onto that and then dig down and build a roof where
the old carriageway was. There'll probably be a 50 mph limit for a year
while the temporary road is being used.

--
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Recliner[_3_] June 19th 19 07:53 AM

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Basil Jet wrote:
On 19/06/2019 08:02, Recliner wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


well I don't know about the rest,

but I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no business
at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of disruption whilst they
rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport entirely unreasonable


Why do you think M25 users will suffer five years of disruption? It's more
likely to be a few night time closures or lane restrictions.


I suspect they'll build a temporary road either side of the motorway,
divert the traffic onto that and then dig down and build a roof where
the old carriageway was. There'll probably be a 50 mph limit for a year
while the temporary road is being used.



No. They'll build the diverted, sunken, bridged M25 to the west of the
current road, with no disruption to road or air traffic during the
building, which might take a couple of years.

The only disruption will come at the end, when the traffic is diverted to
the new route. My guess is that the northbound traffic will be moved first,
with a few weeks of lane 1 closures required while they connect the new to
the old carriageways, then an overnight closure for the final switch to be
made. The same procedure would then be followed a few months later to
divert the southbound carriageway to the new alignment.

It will all be much less disruptive than when the motorway was widened a
few years ago.



tim... June 19th 19 08:43 AM

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"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 18/06/2019 20:02, JNugent wrote:
On 18/06/2019 18:24, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 18/06/2019 09:52, Recliner wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001

Total waste of time. A far better plan would have been a second runway
at Gatwick.


...or a new terminal and a few road improvements - and maybe a rail
spur - at Manston.


I think the extra runway is to steal the intercontinental passengers who
are currently transferring at Schiphol,


exactly

a lot of upheaval so that a private company can get rich

with little benefit to the rest of UK PLC

tim




tim... June 19th 19 08:45 AM

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"JNugent" wrote in message
...
On 19/06/2019 00:15, Basil Jet wrote:
On 18/06/2019 20:02, JNugent wrote:
On 18/06/2019 18:24, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 18/06/2019 09:52, Recliner wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001

Total waste of time. A far better plan would have been a second runway
at Gatwick.

...or a new terminal and a few road improvements - and maybe a rail
spur - at Manston.


I think the extra runway is to steal the intercontinental passengers who
are currently transferring at Schiphol, so I don't see how a new terminal
at Manston is going to help.


It would mean that many short haul travellers in Kent and South East
Sussex would not have to slog over to Heathrow or even over to Stansted or
Gatwick, thereby reeieving them of the need to use the M25.


for most of them Gatwick is easier than Manston could ever be

and I doubt very much that taking airport customers off the M25 would make a
visible dent in the congestion on that road

tim




tim... June 19th 19 08:47 AM

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"Recliner" wrote in message
...
tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


well I don't know about the rest,

but I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business
at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of disruption whilst
they
rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport entirely unreasonable


Why do you think M25 users will suffer five years of disruption? It's
more
likely to be a few night time closures or lane restrictions.


they are going to put the whole road in a tunnel (presumably from the way
it's described not by building a raft on top of it)

how can that not cause major disruption?

tim




Recliner[_3_] June 19th 19 08:54 AM

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tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001


well I don't know about the rest,

but I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business
at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of disruption whilst
they
rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport entirely unreasonable


Why do you think M25 users will suffer five years of disruption? It's
more
likely to be a few night time closures or lane restrictions.


they are going to put the whole road in a tunnel (presumably from the way
it's described not by building a raft on top of it)

how can that not cause major disruption?


You've obviously not looked at the map, or read this thread.


Recliner[_3_] June 19th 19 09:25 AM

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tim... wrote:


"Basil Jet" wrote in message
...
On 18/06/2019 20:02, JNugent wrote:
On 18/06/2019 18:24, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 18/06/2019 09:52, Recliner wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001

Total waste of time. A far better plan would have been a second runway
at Gatwick.

...or a new terminal and a few road improvements - and maybe a rail
spur - at Manston.


I think the extra runway is to steal the intercontinental passengers who
are currently transferring at Schiphol,


exactly

a lot of upheaval so that a private company can get rich

with little benefit to the rest of UK PLC


This comes up regularly here. In fact, the expansion of a hub airport means
that it can sustain direct flights to more secondary destinations than if
it only relies on O&D business, which benefits Brits who need to get to
those destinations for business or pleasure. The bigger airport also helps
UK businesses, such as exporters, airlines, air service companies,
caterers, hotels, freight operators, etc. It also makes it a better place
to locate international HQ operations, conference centres, etc. So it
generates wealth and job opportunities for far more than just the airport
owner.



tim... June 19th 19 09:57 AM

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well I don't know about the rest,

but I for one think that the idea that people who have little or no
business
at the airport are going to have to suffer 5 years of disruption whilst
they
rebuild the M25 to create this Hub airport entirely unreasonable

Why do you think M25 users will suffer five years of disruption? It's
more
likely to be a few night time closures or lane restrictions.


they are going to put the whole road in a tunnel (presumably from the way
it's described not by building a raft on top of it)

how can that not cause major disruption?


You've obviously not looked at the map,


what is "The Map" - I guess there is one, but no I didn't get to see it (You
can blame that on my out of date browser if the original article included a
link)

or read this thread.


as one of the first to reply, that would have been difficult

tim




tim... June 19th 19 10:05 AM

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On 18/06/2019 20:02, JNugent wrote:
On 18/06/2019 18:24, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 18/06/2019 09:52, Recliner wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001

Total waste of time. A far better plan would have been a second runway
at Gatwick.

...or a new terminal and a few road improvements - and maybe a rail
spur - at Manston.

I think the extra runway is to steal the intercontinental passengers who
are currently transferring at Schiphol,


exactly

a lot of upheaval so that a private company can get rich

with little benefit to the rest of UK PLC


This comes up regularly here. In fact, the expansion of a hub airport
means
that it can sustain direct flights to more secondary destinations than if
it only relies on O&D business,


Yes we've heard it all before

1) London is such a prime source/destination I don't believe that we need
transfer passengers to sustain such links

2) I would bet you that once this runway is built, next to no new
destinations will open up. All that will happen is that we get twice as
many flights to New York (etc).

a which benefits Brits who need to get to
those destinations for business or pleasure. The bigger airport also helps
UK businesses, such as exporters, airlines, air service companies,
caterers, hotels, freight operators, etc.


Obviously a bigger airport is going to create more jobs at the airport

but spending 15 Billion (was it) on fixed infrastructure anywhere (sensible)
is going to create jobs

and there are parts of the county that need those jobs a dammed sight more
than West London does (which arguably doesn't need any new jobs at all)

It also makes it a better place
to locate international HQ operations, conference centres, etc.


Again

LHR is big enough to do that already

making it even bigger wont bring much here that isn't here already IMHO

tim





Someone Somewhere June 19th 19 10:31 AM

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On 19/06/2019 11:05, tim... wrote:


"Recliner" wrote in message
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tim... wrote:


"Basil Jet" wrote in message
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On 18/06/2019 20:02, JNugent wrote:
On 18/06/2019 18:24, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 18/06/2019 09:52, Recliner wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48668001

Total waste of time. A far better plan would have been a second
runway
at Gatwick.

...or a new terminal and a few road improvements - and maybe a rail
spur - at Manston.

I think the extra runway is to steal the intercontinental passengers
who
are currently transferring at Schiphol,

exactly

a lot of upheaval so that a private company can get rich

with little benefit to the rest of UK PLC


This comes up regularly here. In fact, the expansion of a hub airport
means
that it can sustain direct flights to more secondary destinations than if
it only relies on O&D business,


Yes we've heard it all before

1) London is such a prime source/destination I don't believe that we
need transfer passengers to sustain such links

2) I would bet you that once this runway is built, next to no new
destinations will open up.* All that will happen is that we get twice as
many flights to New York (etc).

What are you betting?

If you follow the BA schedule changes you'll note that enough
destinations come and go - somewhat due to whether those destinations
are economic but also due to slot constraints.

For example BA flew to Tallinn for a couple of years and those flights
were generally very full and I'm sure profitable, but it was dropped for
another destination because it could be even more profitable - that
sounds like slot constraints to me.


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