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On 20/07/2019 14:01, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:01:02 on Sat, 20 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

Or are you suggesting Khan should have chosen different contractors ?



How long has Khan been mayor?

When did Crossrail start?

When were the contractors appointed?

Â*It's pretty clear from this latest report that the DfT is still very
much
involved with the governance of the Crossrail project:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49037205


So the answers are

2016

2009

Before 2009

Tell me how Khan could have appointed different contractors?

I thought this red herring had died.

When did I suggest Khan should be appointing contractors?

Lost yourself again? Look at the first line you've quoted, though as
you've snipped the attributions you will, no doubt, be even more confused.


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In message , at 14:43:44 on Sat, 20 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:
On 20/07/2019 14:01, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:01:02 on Sat, 20 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

Or are you suggesting Khan should have chosen different contractors ?



How long has Khan been mayor?

When did Crossrail start?

When were the contractors appointed?

*It's pretty clear from this latest report that the DfT is still
very much
involved with the governance of the Crossrail project:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49037205


So the answers are

2016

2009

Before 2009

Tell me how Khan could have appointed different contractors?

I thought this red herring had died.
When did I suggest Khan should be appointing contractors?

Lost yourself again? Look at the first line you've quoted, though as
you've snipped the attributions you will, no doubt, be even more
confused.

It was asked by michael adams[1], and my reply (which has been snipped
by along the way) was to deny I'd claimed he [or former mayors] should
be involved in choosing any contractors.

Why have you resurrected this zombie?

--
Roland Perry

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On 20/07/2019 15:02, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:43:44 on Sat, 20 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:
On 20/07/2019 14:01, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:01:02 on Sat, 20 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

Or are you suggesting Khan should have chosen different
contractors ?



How long has Khan been mayor?

When did Crossrail start?

When were the contractors appointed?

Â*It's pretty clear from this latest report that the DfT is still
veryÂ* much
involved with the governance of the Crossrail project:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49037205


So the answers are

2016

2009

Before 2009

Tell me how Khan could have appointed different contractors?

Â*I thought this red herring had died.
Â*When did I suggest Khan should be appointing contractors?

Lost yourself again? Look at the first line you've quoted, though as
you've snipped the attributions you will, no doubt, be even more
confused.

It was asked by michael adams[1], and my reply (which has been snipped
by along the way) was to deny I'd claimed he [or former mayors] should
be involved in choosing any contractors.

Why have you resurrected this zombie?


Look at the dates, I haven't, you have by coming in late.

--
Graeme Wall
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In message , at 15:06:28 on Sat, 20 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:
Or are you suggesting Khan should have chosen different
contractors ?



How long has Khan been mayor?

When did Crossrail start?

When were the contractors appointed?

*It's pretty clear from this latest report that the DfT is still
very* much
involved with the governance of the Crossrail project:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49037205


So the answers are

2016

2009

Before 2009

Tell me how Khan could have appointed different contractors?

*I thought this red herring had died.
*When did I suggest Khan should be appointing contractors?

Lost yourself again? Look at the first line you've quoted, though as
you've snipped the attributions you will, no doubt, be even more
confused.
It was asked by michael adams[1], and my reply (which has been
snipped by along the way) was to deny I'd claimed he [or former
mayors] should be involved in choosing any contractors.
Why have you resurrected this zombie?

Look at the dates, I haven't, you have by coming in late.

Which dates? I see you commenting on a thread the relevant bits of which
are over a week ago.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 12:32:35 on Sat, 20 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

No-one suggested politicians should choose Crossrail[1] contractors.

Yes they did, hence my questions

Who, and when.
--
Roland Perry

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On 21/07/2019 13:47, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:06:28 on Sat, 20 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:
Or are you suggesting Khan should have chosen different
contractors ?



How long has Khan been mayor?

When did Crossrail start?

When were the contractors appointed?

Â*It's pretty clear from this latest report that the DfT is still
veryÂ* much
involved with the governance of the Crossrail project:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49037205


So the answers are

2016

2009

Before 2009

Tell me how Khan could have appointed different contractors?
Â*
Â*I thought this red herring had died.
Â*When did I suggest Khan should be appointing contractors?

Lost yourself again? Look at the first line you've quoted, though as
you've snipped the attributions you will, no doubt, be even more
confused.
Â*It was asked by michael adams[1], and my reply (which has been
snippedÂ* by along the way) was to deny I'd claimed he [or former
mayors] shouldÂ* be involved in choosing any contractors.
Â*Why have you resurrected this zombie?

Look at the dates, I haven't, you have by coming in late.

Which dates? I see you commenting on a thread the relevant bits of which
are over a week ago.

Pleas yourself, you have again magnificently missed the point just so
you can start an arguement with yourself.

--
Graeme Wall
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In message , at 18:54:23 on Sun, 21 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

Tell me how Khan could have appointed different contractors?

******* Boris was mayor when it started but Livingstone was mayor in
******* the actual run up, when, presumably, the contractors were
******* appointed.

*I thought this red herring had died.
*When did I suggest Khan should be appointing contractors?


Lost yourself again? Look at the first line you've quoted, though
as you've snipped the attributions you will, no doubt, be even
more confused.
*It was asked by michael adams[1], and my reply (which has been
snipped* by along the way) was to deny I'd claimed he [or former
mayors] should* be involved in choosing any contractors.
*Why have you resurrected this zombie?

Look at the dates, I haven't, you have by coming in late.
Which dates? I see you commenting on a thread the relevant bits of
which are over a week ago.

Pleas yourself, you have again magnificently missed the point just so
you can start an arguement with yourself.

As ever, you'll have to explain what exactly the point is, as far as you
perceive it.

To possibly shorten the agony, no-one has suggested Khan, or any
previous Mayor[1], should be appointing contractors.

[1] I've restored the bit which got lost, for clarity.

--
Roland Perry

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On 22/07/2019 17:11, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:54:23 on Sun, 21 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

Tell me how Khan could have appointed different contractors?

******* Boris was mayor when it started but LivingstoneÂ* was mayor in
******* the actual run up, when, presumably, the contractors were
******* appointed.

Â*I thought this red herring had died.
Â*When did I suggest Khan should be appointing contractors?


Lost yourself again? Look at the first line you've quoted, though
asÂ* you've snipped the attributions you will, no doubt, be even
moreÂ* confused.
Â*It was asked by michael adams[1], and my reply (which has been
snippedÂ* by along the way) was to deny I'd claimed he [or former
mayors] shouldÂ* be involved in choosing any contractors.
Â*Why have you resurrected this zombie?

Look at the dates, I haven't, you have by coming in late.
Â*Which dates? I see you commenting on a thread the relevant bits of
whichÂ* are over a week ago.

Pleas yourself, you have again magnificently missed the point just so
you can start an arguement with yourself.

As ever, you'll have to explain what exactly the point is, as far as you
perceive it.

To possibly shorten the agony, no-one has suggested Khan, or any
previous Mayor[1], should be appointing contractors.

[1] I've restored the bit which got lost, for clarity.


No you haven't. You have carefully snipped the original statement and my
follow-up questions. Also Recliner's link to an article that lead to the
appropriate answers.

--
Graeme Wall
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In message , at 19:51:25 on Mon, 22 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:
On 22/07/2019 17:11, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:54:23 on Sun, 21 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

Tell me how Khan could have appointed different contractors?
******* Boris was mayor when it started but Livingstone* was mayor
in
******* the actual run up, when, presumably, the contractors were
******* appointed.

*I thought this red herring had died.
*When did I suggest Khan should be appointing contractors?


Lost yourself again? Look at the first line you've quoted,
though as* you've snipped the attributions you will, no doubt,
be even more* confused.
*It was asked by michael adams[1], and my reply (which has been
snipped* by along the way) was to deny I'd claimed he [or former
mayors] should* be involved in choosing any contractors.
*Why have you resurrected this zombie?

Look at the dates, I haven't, you have by coming in late.
*Which dates? I see you commenting on a thread the relevant bits of
which* are over a week ago.

Pleas yourself, you have again magnificently missed the point just
so you can start an arguement with yourself.
As ever, you'll have to explain what exactly the point is, as far as
you perceive it.
To possibly shorten the agony, no-one has suggested Khan, or any
previous Mayor[1], should be appointing contractors.
[1] I've restored the bit which got lost, for clarity.


No you haven't. You have carefully snipped the original statement

Date and author please, so we can find it easily.

and my follow-up questions. Also Recliner's link to an article that
lead to the appropriate answers.

We can do that later.
--
Roland Perry

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On 23/07/2019 12:01, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 19:51:25 on Mon, 22 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:
On 22/07/2019 17:11, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:54:23 on Sun, 21 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

Tell me how Khan could have appointed different contractors?
Â******** Boris was mayor when it started but LivingstoneÂ* was mayor in
******* the actual run up, when, presumably, the contractors were
******* appointed.

Â*I thought this red herring had died.
Â*When did I suggest Khan should be appointing contractors?


Lost yourself again? Look at the first line you've quoted,
thoughÂ* asÂ* you've snipped the attributions you will, no doubt,
be evenÂ* moreÂ* confused.
Â*It was asked by michael adams[1], and my reply (which has been
snippedÂ* by along the way) was to deny I'd claimed he [or former
mayors] shouldÂ* be involved in choosing any contractors.
Â*Why have you resurrected this zombie?

Look at the dates, I haven't, you have by coming in late.
Â*Which dates? I see you commenting on a thread the relevant bits of
whichÂ* are over a week ago.

Pleas yourself, you have again magnificently missed the point just
soÂ* you can start an arguement with yourself.
Â*As ever, you'll have to explain what exactly the point is, as far as
youÂ* perceive it.
Â*To possibly shorten the agony, no-one has suggested Khan, or any
previous Mayor[1], should be appointing contractors.
Â*[1] I've restored the bit which got lost, for clarity.


No you haven't. You have carefully snipped the original statement

Date and author please, so we can find it easily.

Already pointed you at it once, not going to repeat myself.


and my follow-up questions. Also Recliner's link to an article that
lead to the appropriate answers.

We can do that later.

We've done it while you were working up your current argument.

--
Graeme Wall
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On 23/07/2019 12:01, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 19:51:25 on Mon, 22 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:
On 22/07/2019 17:11, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:54:23 on Sun, 21 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

Tell me how Khan could have appointed different contractors?
Â******** Boris was mayor when it started but LivingstoneÂ* was mayor in
******* the actual run up, when, presumably, the contractors were
******* appointed.

Â*I thought this red herring had died.
Â*When did I suggest Khan should be appointing contractors?


Lost yourself again? Look at the first line you've quoted,
thoughÂ* asÂ* you've snipped the attributions you will, no doubt,
be evenÂ* moreÂ* confused.
Â*It was asked by michael adams[1], and my reply (which has been
snippedÂ* by along the way) was to deny I'd claimed he [or former
mayors] shouldÂ* be involved in choosing any contractors.
Â*Why have you resurrected this zombie?

Look at the dates, I haven't, you have by coming in late.
Â*Which dates? I see you commenting on a thread the relevant bits of
whichÂ* are over a week ago.

Pleas yourself, you have again magnificently missed the point just
soÂ* you can start an arguement with yourself.
Â*As ever, you'll have to explain what exactly the point is, as far as
youÂ* perceive it.
Â*To possibly shorten the agony, no-one has suggested Khan, or any
previous Mayor[1], should be appointing contractors.
Â*[1] I've restored the bit which got lost, for clarity.


No you haven't. You have carefully snipped the original statement

Date and author please, so we can find it easily.

and my follow-up questions. Also Recliner's link to an article that
lead to the appropriate answers.

We can do that later.

I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?

--
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In message , at 15:38:51 on Tue, 23 Jul
2019, Basil Jet remarked:

I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?

Graeme has the means to truncate it to five minutes.
--
Roland Perry

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On 23/07/2019 16:06, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:38:51 on Tue, 23 Jul
2019, Basil Jet remarked:

I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?

Graeme has the means to truncate it to five minutes.

Even quicker, I'm not taking part.

--
Graeme Wall
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In message , at 16:32:20 on Tue, 23 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:
On 23/07/2019 16:06, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:38:51 on Tue, 23 Jul
2019, Basil Jet remarked:

I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?
Graeme has the means to truncate it to five minutes.

Even quicker, I'm not taking part.

That's fair enough, but confirms my view that the posting which started
this subthread was a complete wobbler. Glad we got that sorted.
--
Roland Perry

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On 23/07/2019 20:14, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 16:32:20 on Tue, 23 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:
On 23/07/2019 16:06, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:38:51 on Tue, 23 Jul
2019, Basil Jet remarked:

I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?
Â*Graeme has the means to truncate it to five minutes.

Even quicker, I'm not taking part.

That's fair enough, but confirms my view that the posting which started
this subthread was a complete wobbler. Glad we got that sorted.

Only inside the echo chamber of your mind.

--
Graeme Wall
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In message , at 12:01:05 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?

*Graeme has the means to truncate it to five minutes.

Even quicker, I'm not taking part.

That's fair enough, but confirms my view that the posting which
started this subthread was a complete wobbler. Glad we got that sorted.

Only inside the echo chamber of your mind.

On balance, as you refuse to justify your position, it fails.
--
Roland Perry

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On 24/07/2019 14:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:01:05 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?

Â*Graeme has the means to truncate it to five minutes.

Even quicker, I'm not taking part.

Â*That's fair enough, but confirms my view that the posting which
startedÂ* this subthread was a complete wobbler. Glad we got that sorted.

Only inside the echo chamber of your mind.

On balance, as you refuse to justify your position, it fails.

You really are pathetic, desperately trying to have the last word so you
can justify in your own mind "winning" an argument that only ever
existed i your head. For heaven's sake grow up and stop acting like a
spoilt child.

--
Graeme Wall
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Graeme Wall wrote:
On 24/07/2019 14:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:01:05 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?

Â*Graeme has the means to truncate it to five minutes.

Even quicker, I'm not taking part.

Â*That's fair enough, but confirms my view that the posting which
startedÂ* this subthread was a complete wobbler. Glad we got that sorted.

Only inside the echo chamber of your mind.

On balance, as you refuse to justify your position, it fails.

You really are pathetic, desperately trying to have the last word so you
can justify in your own mind "winning" an argument that only ever
existed i your head. For heaven's sake grow up and stop acting like a
spoilt child.


It's hard to believe that Roland was once a high flying international
business executive. Although I suppose it's this sort of childish behaviour
that brought that career to an end.

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In message , at 17:02:13 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:
On 24/07/2019 14:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:01:05 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half


*Graeme has the means to truncate it to five minutes.

Even quicker, I'm not taking part.

*That's fair enough, but confirms my view that the posting which
started* this subthread was a complete wobbler. Glad we got that sorted.

Only inside the echo chamber of your mind.
On balance, as you refuse to justify your position, it fails.

You really are pathetic, desperately trying to have the last word so
you can justify in your own mind "winning" an argument that only ever
existed i your head. For heaven's sake grow up and stop acting like a
spoilt child.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you had an actual point
to make earlier. I'm disappointed that you didn't back it up, but if you
had, then *that* would have resulted in me "losing the argument" (about
the Mayors not appointing contractors).
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 16:12:55 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Recliner remarked:

It's hard to believe that Roland was once a high flying international
business executive. Although I suppose it's this sort of childish behaviour
that brought that career to an end.

Wrong on both counts. I'd never call myself (any sort of) business
executive. And if asking (in a roundabout way) "cite" is childish
[rather than standard Usenet protocol], then at least I did it without
resorting to personal insults.
--
Roland Perry

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On 24/07/2019 17:12, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 24/07/2019 14:03, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:01:05 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Graeme Wall remarked:

I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?

Â*Graeme has the means to truncate it to five minutes.

Even quicker, I'm not taking part.

Â*That's fair enough, but confirms my view that the posting which
startedÂ* this subthread was a complete wobbler. Glad we got that sorted.

Only inside the echo chamber of your mind.

On balance, as you refuse to justify your position, it fails.

You really are pathetic, desperately trying to have the last word so you
can justify in your own mind "winning" an argument that only ever
existed i your head. For heaven's sake grow up and stop acting like a
spoilt child.


It's hard to believe that Roland was once a high flying international
business executive. Although I suppose it's this sort of childish behaviour
that brought that career to an end.


There's no need for that sort of personal stuff, especially when you
were not the target of his pointless argument (on this occasion).

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Paul Weller - 2002 - Illumination

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In message , at 18:53:13 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Basil Jet remarked:
I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?

*Graeme has the means to truncate it to five minutes.

Even quicker, I'm not taking part.

*That's fair enough, but confirms my view that the posting which
started* this subthread was a complete wobbler. Glad we got that sorted.

Only inside the echo chamber of your mind.

On balance, as you refuse to justify your position, it fails.

You really are pathetic, desperately trying to have the last word so you
can justify in your own mind "winning" an argument that only ever
existed i your head. For heaven's sake grow up and stop acting like a
spoilt child.

It's hard to believe that Roland was once a high flying
international
business executive. Although I suppose it's this sort of childish behaviour
that brought that career to an end.

There's no need for that sort of personal stuff, especially when you
were not the target of his pointless argument (on this occasion).

I know you are going to hate this, but I wasn't even the one stirring up
a pointless argument. That honour goes to those who fail to understand
the mayor's role. I did my best to put that record straight, but the
fallout has been admittedly very tedious.
--
Roland Perry

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On 24/07/2019 19:46, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:53:13 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Basil Jet remarked:
I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?

Â*Â*Graeme has the means to truncate it to five minutes.

Even quicker, I'm not taking part.

Â*Â*That's fair enough, but confirms my view that the posting which
startedÂ* this subthread was a complete wobbler. Glad we got that
sorted.

Only inside the echo chamber of your mind.

On balance, as you refuse to justify your position, it fails.

You really are pathetic, desperately trying to have the last word so
you
can justify in your own mind "winning" an argument that only ever
existed i your head. For heaven's sake grow up and stop acting like a
spoilt child.

Â*It's hard to believe that Roland was once a high flying international
business executive. Although I suppose it's this sort of childish
behaviour
that brought that career to an end.

There's no need for that sort of personal stuff, especially when you
were not the target of his pointless argument (on this occasion).

I know you are going to hate this, but I wasn't even the one stirring up
a pointless argument. That honour goes to those who fail to understand
the mayor's role. I did my best to put that record straight, but the
fallout has been admittedly very tedious.

I don't hate it, I don't care. I don't read every message. I don't
recall who posted every message that I do read. I don't know who started
this argument and I don't care to check. But over time I do notice that
every pointless argument has got you in it.

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Paul Weller - 2002 - Illumination

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In message , at 20:39:24 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, Basil Jet remarked:

I don't recall who posted every message that I do read. I don't know
who started this argument and I don't care to check. But over time I do
notice that every pointless argument has got you in it.

I seem to attract people who quibble about the most minor of details.

The threads which people characterise as "pointless" are usually where
the quibbler has egg on their face and keeps digging.

It's a feature of Usenet, and we just have to live with it.
--
Roland Perry