On 24/07/2019 20:46, Basil Jet wrote:
On 24/07/2019 18:21, Clank wrote:
Roland Perry Wrote in message:
That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a
whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy a
new phone and get the together).

It's telling that earphones are now considered a mobile phone
Â* accessory, despite predating the invention of the mobile phone by
Â* decades...

I don't think earphones with a microphone built into the neck area
pre-dated mobile phones.


The RAF used a version called a throat mic[1] which is very similar,
introduced in the 1950s IIRC

[1] It is literally strapped to the larynx for use in high noise
situations, takes some getting used to when you are listening in.
--
Graeme Wall
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On 24/07/2019 21:49, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 24/07/2019 20:46, Basil Jet wrote:
On 24/07/2019 18:21, Clank wrote:
Roland Perry Wrote in message:
That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a
whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy a
new phone and get the together).

It's telling that earphones are now considered a mobile phone
Â* accessory, despite predating the invention of the mobile phone by
Â* decades...

I don't think earphones with a microphone built into the neck area
pre-dated mobile phones.


The RAF used a version called a throat mic[1] which is very similar,
introduced in the 1950s IIRC

[1] It is literally strapped to the larynx for use in high noise
situations, takes some getting used to when you are listening in.

Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Paul Weller - 2002 - Illumination

On 24/07/2019 22:30, Basil Jet wrote:
On 24/07/2019 21:49, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 24/07/2019 20:46, Basil Jet wrote:
On 24/07/2019 18:21, Clank wrote:
Roland Perry Wrote in message:
That's why I'm sure some buy new sexier earbuds, without buying a
whole new phone (or indeed waiting until it's time for them to buy
a new phone and get the together).

It's telling that earphones are now considered a mobile phone
Â* accessory, despite predating the invention of the mobile phone by
Â* decades...

I don't think earphones with a microphone built into the neck area
pre-dated mobile phones.


The RAF used a version called a throat mic[1] which is very similar,
introduced in the 1950s IIRC

[1] It is literally strapped to the larynx for use in high noise
situations, takes some getting used to when you are listening in.

Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.


The RAF version had earphones as well, but a lot more clumsy than the
modern version, you certainly couldn't slip it into the back pocket of
your jeans.

--
Graeme Wall
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Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

--

Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)


Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing. That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various
elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an
accident of history.

Robin

bob wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing. That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various
elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an
accident of history.


Yes, indeed. I was thinking of the PDA term as originally promoted by Apple
in the early 1980s, which foresaw Alexa-style ideas.

In message , at 23:36:50 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, bob remarked:
Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing.

If anything, the iPhone is an iPod-Touch with a phone added.

That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various
elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an
accident of history.

See also the way my Cybershot (being discussed in another subthread) is
something I've always described as a camera with a phone on the back,
rather than the other way round.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 23:36:50 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, bob remarked:
Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing.

If anything, the iPhone is an iPod-Touch with a phone added.

It is, but the iPod touch didn’t exist at that point. The iPhone and iPod
Touch were released together, and it was pretty apparent that they were
essentially the same device just with/without the GSM capability.

That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various
elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an
accident of history.

See also the way my Cybershot (being discussed in another subthread) is
something I've always described as a camera with a phone on the back,
rather than the other way round.

Indeed. I suspect the reason is that all the tech gossip around 2006-2007
was around the “Apple will make a phone� with ideas of an iPod click-wheel
phone that meant iPhone, and hence the association with phones was the name
that defined the convergence of PDA, camera, music player, mobile web
browser and mobile phone.

Robin

On 25/07/2019 07:56, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 23:36:50 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, bob remarked:
Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone.Â* (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA
term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing.

If anything, the iPhone is an iPod-Touch with a phone added.

Given the iPod touch was released later, it's more like an iPhone with
the phone removed.