Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)


Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing. That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various
elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an
accident of history.

Robin

bob wrote:
Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing. That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various
elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an
accident of history.


Yes, indeed. I was thinking of the PDA term as originally promoted by Apple
in the early 1980s, which foresaw Alexa-style ideas.

In message , at 23:36:50 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, bob remarked:
Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing.

If anything, the iPhone is an iPod-Touch with a phone added.

That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various
elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an
accident of history.

See also the way my Cybershot (being discussed in another subthread) is
something I've always described as a camera with a phone on the back,
rather than the other way round.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 23:36:50 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, bob remarked:
Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing.

If anything, the iPhone is an iPod-Touch with a phone added.

It is, but the iPod touch didn’t exist at that point. The iPhone and iPod
Touch were released together, and it was pretty apparent that they were
essentially the same device just with/without the GSM capability.

That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various
elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an
accident of history.

See also the way my Cybershot (being discussed in another subthread) is
something I've always described as a camera with a phone on the back,
rather than the other way round.

Indeed. I suspect the reason is that all the tech gossip around 2006-2007
was around the “Apple will make a phone� with ideas of an iPod click-wheel
phone that meant iPhone, and hence the association with phones was the name
that defined the convergence of PDA, camera, music player, mobile web
browser and mobile phone.

Robin

In message , at 21:03:22 on Sat, 27 Jul
2019, bob remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 23:36:50 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, bob remarked:
Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing.

If anything, the iPhone is an iPod-Touch with a phone added.

It is, but the iPod touch didn’t exist at that point.

I'm pretty sure the iPod Touch was either a parallel or earlier
development cycle to the iPhone, but appearing a few months later to
avoid stealing the thunder from the iPhone. People tend to describe the
touch as "an iPhone without the phone", which may show how relatively
unimportant a camera in the phone was perceived at the time.

The iPhone and iPod
Touch were released together, and it was pretty apparent that they were
essentially the same device just with/without the GSM capability.

And no camera or speaker (or GPS). Surprisingly, the original iPhone
didn't have 3G.

That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various
elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an
accident of history.

See also the way my Cybershot (being discussed in another subthread) is
something I've always described as a camera with a phone on the back,
rather than the other way round.

Indeed. I suspect the reason is that all the tech gossip around 2006-2007
was around the “Apple will make a phone� with ideas of an iPod click-wheel
phone that meant iPhone, and hence the association with phones was the name
that defined the convergence of PDA, camera, music player, mobile web
browser and mobile phone.

I have no argument with the tablet-like devices being identified as a
phone with whistles and bells. But not every combination of phone and
camera is like that. And I have several even quite recent phones with
pathetic cameras (eg very muddy 1 megapixel).
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:03:22 on Sat, 27 Jul
2019, bob remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 23:36:50 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, bob remarked:
Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing.

If anything, the iPhone is an iPod-Touch with a phone added.

It is, but the iPod touch didn’t exist at that point.

I'm pretty sure the iPod Touch was either a parallel or earlier
development cycle to the iPhone, but appearing a few months later to
avoid stealing the thunder from the iPhone. People tend to describe the
touch as "an iPhone without the phone", which may show how relatively
unimportant a camera in the phone was perceived at the time.

The iPhone and iPod
Touch were released together, and it was pretty apparent that they were
essentially the same device just with/without the GSM capability.

And no camera or speaker (or GPS). Surprisingly, the original iPhone
didn't have 3G.

That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various
elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an
accident of history.

See also the way my Cybershot (being discussed in another subthread) is
something I've always described as a camera with a phone on the back,
rather than the other way round.

Indeed. I suspect the reason is that all the tech gossip around 2006-2007
was around the “Apple will make a phone� with ideas of an iPod click-wheel
phone that meant iPhone, and hence the association with phones was the name
that defined the convergence of PDA, camera, music player, mobile web
browser and mobile phone.

I have no argument with the tablet-like devices being identified as a
phone with whistles and bells. But not every combination of phone and
camera is like that. And I have several even quite recent phones with
pathetic cameras (eg very muddy 1 megapixel).

That must have taken some finding! Is it some $25 third world special?

In message , at 11:17:50 on Sun, 28 Jul
2019, Recliner remarked:

I have no argument with the tablet-like devices being identified as a
phone with whistles and bells. But not every combination of phone and
camera is like that. And I have several even quite recent phones with
pathetic cameras (eg very muddy 1 megapixel).

That must have taken some finding! Is it some $25 third world special?

One is the Aldi ruggedised dual-SIM 3G phone (3 week battery life) at
about that price. Another is the "People's Phone", which was indeed
intended for the Third World market, at about half that price.

Both are classic pieces of design (and both unlocked). Even if the
latter is arguably also a "Beat the Boss"; and is the phone I may have
mentioned before which requires a legacy 5v SIM to work.
--
Roland Perry

bob wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 23:36:50 on Wed, 24 Jul
2019, bob remarked:
Recliner wrote:
Clank wrote:
Basil Jet Wrote in message:
Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that earphones with a
microphone in the cable *are* a mobile phone accessory.

I use mine with my laptop for Skype/Teams calls and the like as
often as I use them with my phone. (Actually, if it's the
microphone that is suddenly important, far more - I make voice
calls on my phone once in a blue moon.)

Yes, it's probably time to resurrect the old, prematurely-coined, PDA term
for what we still call phones.

The modern smart phone rolls the functions of PDA, mobile phone and
personal music player together into a single device, onto which is added
internet data connectivity. If you go back and look at the presentation
where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone he makes a big play on this
bringing together of multiple previous category of devices into a single
thing.

If anything, the iPhone is an iPod-Touch with a phone added.

It is, but the iPod touch didn’t exist at that point. The iPhone and iPod
Touch were released together, and it was pretty apparent that they were
essentially the same device just with/without the GSM capability.

That the term phone has been the one that won out of the various
elements that went into what a modern phone does is something of an
accident of history.

See also the way my Cybershot (being discussed in another subthread) is
something I've always described as a camera with a phone on the back,
rather than the other way round.

Indeed. I suspect the reason is that all the tech gossip around 2006-2007
was around the “Apple will make a phone� with ideas of an iPod click-wheel
phone that meant iPhone, and hence the association with phones was the name
that defined the convergence of PDA, camera, music player, mobile web
browser and mobile phone.

Smartphones existed before the iPhone. I had 2 HP smartphones, each
running a version of Windows Mobile.

It meant that I only needed to carry one device, rather than a PDA and
separate mobile phone.

The first HP one was great (although much thicker than an iPhone) until it
died suddenly, but the second one, with a slide-out mini keyboard, which
looked great on paper, was c**p. That was when I switched to the iPhone.
--
Jeremy Double

In message

t, at 11:02:09 on Sun, 28 Jul 2019, Jeremy Double
remarked:
Smartphones existed before the iPhone. I had 2 HP smartphones, each
running a version of Windows Mobile.

It meant that I only needed to carry one device, rather than a PDA and
separate mobile phone.

The first HP one was great (although much thicker than an iPhone) until it
died suddenly, but the second one, with a slide-out mini keyboard, which
looked great on paper, was c**p. That was when I switched to the iPhone.

The Nokia 9000 Communicator (1996) was perhaps the
smartphone-that-got-away as far as I was concerned. Never could quite
justify getting one.
--
Roland Perry