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On 2 Sep 2019 19:16:28 GMT, Marland
wrote:

Graham Harrison wrote:

And it is not a recent innovation that we have had double deck deck
coaches in the UK,National Express were using them decades ago , stopped
using them after an accident and reintroduced a small number a few years
back.


Ribble/Standerwick were running double deck Atlanteans under the name
"Gay Hostess" back in the 1960s
https://www.rvpt.co.uk/gay-hostess-25/. I can't find a cite but I seem
to recall this was before the 70 limit on the motorways and there were
stories about higher than 70 speeds being attained.


The one coach that I remember that was designed for Motorway work at speeds
higher than permitted now were the ones built by Midland Red for thier
Motorway express service on the newly constructed M1 which were also
amongst the first to have a toilet.

I was too young to knowingly see the real thing but was given a Corgi toy
one at the time.

https://images.app.goo.gl/86BPud8euFEE5rXm9

GH







Maybe it was Midland Red that I was thinking about in terms of speed.

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On 02/09/2019 19:25, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 00:35:55 +0100, Bryan Morris
wrote:

In message , Recliner
writes
Marland wrote:
Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , MissRiaElaine
writes
On 01/09/2019 19:00, Marland wrote:

Anyhow if it wasn’t for American influence the Underground would
not have
developed in the way in it did.
Do you object to them calling the vehicles cars instead of coaches for
instance.

No, but I do object to people who call coaches buses. They are quite
different.



A coach is simply a single decker bus.

.5 seconds on the web finds plenty of operators of double deck coaches
though this was first hit ,

https://www.procterscoaches.com/the-...double-decker/

so that it is pretty poor attempt to define one.

And it is not a recent innovation that we have had double deck deck
coaches in the UK,National Express were using them decades ago , stopped
using them after an accident and reintroduced a small number a few years
back.


Isn't a coach simply a bus with lots of secure luggage space (normally
under the floor) and capable of cruising at motorway speeds (ie, ?100 km/h)
all day?

These days, it would also have seat belts, aircon and quite possibly a
toilet and refreshments. It might also have overhead luggage racks and some
sort of AV system.

BEA / BOAC used double deck coaches mainly for luggage on the lower deck
whilst passengers mainly sat upstairs (diverging I remember when
downstairs a bus was called "inside" as opposed to "outside" for
upstairs)



BOAC used Atlanteans in that configuration
https://www.flickr.com/photos/aecsouthall/40612039785. BEA used a one
and a half layout with seating over the luggage area (can't remember
the make)
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Locati...y_England.html

Southern Television's first Outside Broadcast unit was a conversion of
one of those.

and then front entrance Routemasters with a baggage trailer
https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/838654761833587997/



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eGraeme Wall wrote:
On 02/09/2019 19:25, Graham Harrison wrote:
On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 00:35:55 +0100, Bryan Morris
wrote:

In message , Recliner
writes
Marland wrote:
Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , MissRiaElaine
writes
On 01/09/2019 19:00, Marland wrote:

Anyhow if it wasn’t for American influence the Underground would
not have
developed in the way in it did.
Do you object to them calling the vehicles cars instead of coaches for
instance.

No, but I do object to people who call coaches buses. They are quite
different.



A coach is simply a single decker bus.

.5 seconds on the web finds plenty of operators of double deck coaches
though this was first hit ,

https://www.procterscoaches.com/the-...double-decker/

so that it is pretty poor attempt to define one.

And it is not a recent innovation that we have had double deck deck
coaches in the UK,National Express were using them decades ago , stopped
using them after an accident and reintroduced a small number a few years
back.


Isn't a coach simply a bus with lots of secure luggage space (normally
under the floor) and capable of cruising at motorway speeds (ie, ?100 km/h)
all day?

These days, it would also have seat belts, aircon and quite possibly a
toilet and refreshments. It might also have overhead luggage racks and some
sort of AV system.

BEA / BOAC used double deck coaches mainly for luggage on the lower deck
whilst passengers mainly sat upstairs (diverging I remember when
downstairs a bus was called "inside" as opposed to "outside" for
upstairs)



BOAC used Atlanteans in that configuration
https://www.flickr.com/photos/aecsouthall/40612039785. BEA used a one
and a half layout with seating over the luggage area (can't remember
the make)
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Locati...y_England.html

Southern Television's first Outside Broadcast unit was a conversion of
one of those.

Interesting, I was expecting it to be one the BEA coaches I used to see on
their way to the airport in the sixties
as in the link above which were AEC version of the AEC Regal and with a
strong family resemblance to the AEC
Regal single decker buses seen all around London outskirts in that era.

The Southern TV one is a much older model which a search reveals to be a
Commer Commando and I have no
recollection of seeing one of those at all so presumably were withdrawn
when I was still too young to remember or all my attention was on the
Trolleybuses.

Only picture I can find of it.
https://images.app.goo.gl/eL3qyWdzR88jfmvN8

Apparently the RAF had some as well.

Some info here and a survivor here.

http://yorkshireairmuseum.org/exhibi...r-commando-q4/


GH

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On Sun, Sep 01, 2019 at 02:25:02PM +0100, Graeme Wall wrote:

Hence the saying, bus stations are where buses stop, train stations are
where trains stop, work stations???

Thus neatly demonstrating that anyone who expects language to be
consistent is a space alien unfamiliar with actual human language.

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On Sun, Sep 01, 2019 at 11:04:55PM +0100, Bryan Morris wrote:

A coach is simply a single decker bus.

I'll try to remember that this evening, maybe it will make the 130 seem
more glamourous.

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In message , David
Cantrell writes
On Sun, Sep 01, 2019 at 11:04:55PM +0100, Bryan Morris wrote:

A coach is simply a single decker bus.

I'll try to remember that this evening, maybe it will make the 130 seem
more glamourous.

Then of course there were Route Master Green Line double decked buses
branded as coaches (better upholstery than the common or garden red
version and with a closing door to the platform)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...r_RCL_2233.jpg
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On 01/09/2019 12:44, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 01/09/2019 10:57, Marland wrote:

So using the maps and what they are titled isn’t really a good indication
of what the network was popularly known as at any one time as saying “
I’m
going to take the London Electric Railways “ would be a bit of a
mouthful.�

My London relatives who were around from the 1920’s generally called
it the
UndergrounD and I of 1950’s
vintageÂ*Â* and generally still do.Â* Tube which has equally been around
since
the early 20th century since it it started as a catchy marketing title
was
generally thought to be the the deeper bored lines.
The distinction between the two seems have become blurred from about
the1970’s- 1980’s and has now become official.

The same period has seen many use Train Station instead of Railway
Station.,neither are wrong it is just the wayÂ* our language evolves .

I spent 15+ years working for British Rail, not British Trains. It will
always be a railway station as far as I'm concerned.

You can call it what you like. But "railway station" aka "train station"
is a concept independent of which country you are in or which
organisation runs it or used to run it.

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On 01/09/2019 12:44, MissRiaElaine wrote:

I spent 15+ years working for British Rail, not British Trains. It will
always be a railway station as far as I'm concerned.

If you'd spent fifteen years working for National Express or Green Line,
what would you call a coach station?

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On 03/09/2019 14:24, Basil Jet wrote:
On 01/09/2019 12:44, MissRiaElaine wrote:

I spent 15+ years working for British Rail, not British Trains. It
will always be a railway station as far as I'm concerned.

If you'd spent fifteen years working for National Express or Green Line,
what would you call a coach station?


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On 03/09/2019 11:04, Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , David
Cantrell writes
On Sun, Sep 01, 2019 at 11:04:55PM +0100, Bryan Morris wrote:

A coach is simply a single decker bus.

I'll try to remember that this evening, maybe it will make the 130 seem
more glamourous.

Then of course there were Route Master Green Line double decked buses
branded as coaches (better upholstery than the common or garden red
version and with a closing door to the platform)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...r_RCL_2233.jpg

They were simply beautiful when they were new. I've driven a standard
Routemaster (well an RML actually) that a friend restored, but I've
always wanted to have a go in one of these.

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On 03/09/2019 14:24, Basil Jet wrote:
On 01/09/2019 12:44, MissRiaElaine wrote:

I spent 15+ years working for British Rail, not British Trains. It
will always be a railway station as far as I'm concerned.

If you'd spent fifteen years working for National Express or Green Line,
what would you call a coach station?

I did spend 15 years working for National Express actually, funny you
should say that. After I left the railways I moved sideways.

The National Express HQ is, believe it or not, based at Digbeth *Coach*
Station in Birmingham.


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MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 03/09/2019 14:24, Basil Jet wrote:
On 01/09/2019 12:44, MissRiaElaine wrote:

I spent 15+ years working for British Rail, not British Trains. It
will always be a railway station as far as I'm concerned.

If you'd spent fifteen years working for National Express or Green Line,
what would you call a coach station?

I did spend 15 years working for National Express actually, funny you
should say that. After I left the railways I moved sideways.

The National Express HQ is, believe it or not, based at Digbeth *Coach*
Station in Birmingham.

Why is that in any way surprising?

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On 03/09/2019 23:43, Recliner wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 03/09/2019 14:24, Basil Jet wrote:
On 01/09/2019 12:44, MissRiaElaine wrote:

I spent 15+ years working for British Rail, not British Trains. It
will always be a railway station as far as I'm concerned.

If you'd spent fifteen years working for National Express or Green Line,
what would you call a coach station?

I did spend 15 years working for National Express actually, funny you
should say that. After I left the railways I moved sideways.

The National Express HQ is, believe it or not, based at Digbeth *Coach*
Station in Birmingham.

Why is that in any way surprising?


Given that some people here seem to think it's surprising to call buses
buses and coaches coaches it seemed possible. A lot of people seem to
want to call coach stations bus stations as well.

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"MissRiaElaine" wrote in message
...
On 03/09/2019 23:43, Recliner wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 03/09/2019 14:24, Basil Jet wrote:
On 01/09/2019 12:44, MissRiaElaine wrote:

I spent 15+ years working for British Rail, not British Trains. It
will always be a railway station as far as I'm concerned.

If you'd spent fifteen years working for National Express or Green
Line,
what would you call a coach station?

I did spend 15 years working for National Express actually, funny you
should say that. After I left the railways I moved sideways.

The National Express HQ is, believe it or not, based at Digbeth *Coach*
Station in Birmingham.

Why is that in any way surprising?


Given that some people here seem to think it's surprising to call buses
buses and coaches coaches it seemed possible. A lot of people seem to want
to call coach stations bus stations as well.

Don't know about elsewhere

but Barton Busses in Nottingham(shire) traditionally ran a fleet of what I
would call coaches on their the single decker routes

made getting on and off a full bus rather slow

tim







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In message , at 19:01:30 on Wed, 4 Sep 2019,
tim... remarked:

Given that some people here seem to think it's surprising to call
buses buses and coaches coaches it seemed possible. A lot of people
seem to want to call coach stations bus stations as well.

Don't know about elsewhere

but Barton Busses in Nottingham(shire) traditionally ran a fleet of
what I would call coaches on their the single decker routes

Having used them myself, they are just single-decker buses.

made getting on and off a full bus rather slow

Ditto bendy-buses with the centre doors sealed off (for whatever
reason).
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On 04/09/2019 17:28, MissRiaElaine wrote:

A lot of people seem to
want to call coach stations bus stations as well.

There's no obvious difference between the structures - you'd be hard
pushed to tell them apart unless the vehicles were present.

In America they seem to say "Greyhound bus" where we would say "coach".
I imagine all of their coach stations are called bus stations.

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 19:01:30 on Wed, 4 Sep 2019,
tim... remarked:

Given that some people here seem to think it's surprising to call buses
buses and coaches coaches it seemed possible. A lot of people seem to
want to call coach stations bus stations as well.

Don't know about elsewhere

but Barton Busses in Nottingham(shire) traditionally ran a fleet of what I
would call coaches on their the single decker routes

Having used them myself, they are just single-decker buses.

before 1989 - when "Barton Busses" ceased to exist? I see that it was
actually called Barton Transport

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barton_Transport

tim