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I certainly hope this turns out to be feasible. Now, if only they can
find a way of extracting surplus heat from inside tube trains and pumping that into domestic heating systems! Central Line trains should be the first. It has always puzzled me that eastbound Central Line trains arrive at Stratford where the platforms are above ground level, the doors open . . . . . . and the heat remains in the carriages! |
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Robin9 wrote:
I certainly hope this turns out to be feasible. Now, if only they can find a way of extracting surplus heat from inside tube trains and pumping that into domestic heating systems! Central Line trains should be the first. It has always puzzled me that eastbound Central Line trains arrive at Stratford where the platforms are above ground level, the doors open . . . . . . and the heat remains in the carriages! I read a recent article, I think in MR, that pointed out, counter-intuitively, that underground trains are hot not because of the heat they pick up in the tunnels, but because of the solar heat they absorb before entering the tunnel. Apparently experiments have proved that underground trains that never emerge into sunlight stay cooler (eg, the Drain). Even being stabled in open sidings (eg, the Victoria line) pre-heats them. So just ventilating the hot air in the carriages in a station actually releases very little of the stored heat in the carriage body. |
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In message , at 10:35:41 on Sat, 31
Aug 2019, Robin9 remarked: I certainly hope this turns out to be feasible. Now, if only they can find a way of extracting surplus heat from inside tube trains and pumping that into domestic heating systems! Central Line trains should be the first. It has always puzzled me that eastbound Central Line trains arrive at Stratford where the platforms are above ground level, the doors open . . . . . . and the heat remains in the carriages! Because the platforms are even hotter? -- Roland Perry |
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On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 12:54:33 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 10:35:41 on Sat, 31 Aug 2019, Robin9 remarked: I certainly hope this turns out to be feasible. Now, if only they can find a way of extracting surplus heat from inside tube trains and pumping that into domestic heating systems! Central Line trains should be the first. It has always puzzled me that eastbound Central Line trains arrive at Stratford where the platforms are above ground level, the doors open . . . . . . and the heat remains in the carriages! Because the platforms are even hotter? No, because the train body contains far more heat than does the air in the carriage. |
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In message , at 13:54:49 on
Sat, 31 Aug 2019, Recliner remarked: On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 12:54:33 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:35:41 on Sat, 31 Aug 2019, Robin9 remarked: I certainly hope this turns out to be feasible. Now, if only they can find a way of extracting surplus heat from inside tube trains and pumping that into domestic heating systems! Central Line trains should be the first. It has always puzzled me that eastbound Central Line trains arrive at Stratford where the platforms are above ground level, the doors open . . . . . . and the heat remains in the carriages! Because the platforms are even hotter? No, because the train body contains far more heat than does the air in the carriage. Letting in colder air should help in the short term though. -- Roland Perry |
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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:54:49 on Sat, 31 Aug 2019, Recliner remarked: On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 12:54:33 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 10:35:41 on Sat, 31 Aug 2019, Robin9 remarked: I certainly hope this turns out to be feasible. Now, if only they can find a way of extracting surplus heat from inside tube trains and pumping that into domestic heating systems! Central Line trains should be the first. It has always puzzled me that eastbound Central Line trains arrive at Stratford where the platforms are above ground level, the doors open . . . . . . and the heat remains in the carriages! Because the platforms are even hotter? No, because the train body contains far more heat than does the air in the carriage. Letting in colder air should help in the short term though. Yes, briefly. |
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On 31/08/2019 11:16, Recliner wrote:
Robin9 wrote: I certainly hope this turns out to be feasible. Now, if only they can find a way of extracting surplus heat from inside tube trains and pumping that into domestic heating systems! Central Line trains should be the first. It has always puzzled me that eastbound Central Line trains arrive at Stratford where the platforms are above ground level, the doors open . . . . . . and the heat remains in the carriages! I read a recent article, I think in MR, that pointed out, counter-intuitively, that underground trains are hot not because of the heat they pick up in the tunnels, but because of the solar heat they absorb before entering the tunnel. Apparently experiments have proved that underground trains that never emerge into sunlight stay cooler (eg, the Drain). Even being stabled in open sidings (eg, the Victoria line) pre-heats them. So just ventilating the hot air in the carriages in a station actually releases very little of the stored heat in the carriage body. Open the door of a domestic refrigerator for, say, 5-10 seconds and the cold air tumbles out - without significant effect on the fridge and other contents. Only connect :) PA |
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How many more times..? It's the *UNDERGROUND* not the "Tube" GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRR..!!!!!!!!! |
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On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 17:25:25 +0100
MissRiaElaine wrote: How many more times..? It's the *UNDERGROUND* not the "Tube" GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR..!!!!!!!!! Huh? Even TfL call it the tube in their advertising and its been known as such for probably a hundred years. |
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MissRiaElaine wrote:
How many more times..? It's the *UNDERGROUND* not the "Tube" GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRR..!!!!!!!!! You'll have to tell LU and TfL, who routinely call the whole system the Tube. And in this context, where we're talking only about the deep Tube lines, it's perfectly correct to call it the Tube. |
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On 31/08/2019 20:26, Recliner wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote: How many more times..? It's the *UNDERGROUND* not the "Tube" GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRR..!!!!!!!!! You'll have to tell LU and TfL, who routinely call the whole system the Tube. And in this context, where we're talking only about the deep Tube lines, it's perfectly correct to call it the Tube. So why do all the roundel signs say Underground..? That's what it's been known as my whole life and I was born in London even though I don't live there any more. Sorry, to me it always has been and always will be the Underground. -- Ria in Aberdeen [Send address is invalid, use sipsoup at gmail dot com to reply direct] |
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MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 31/08/2019 20:26, Recliner wrote: MissRiaElaine wrote: How many more times..? It's the *UNDERGROUND* not the "Tube" GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRR..!!!!!!!!! You'll have to tell LU and TfL, who routinely call the whole system the Tube. And in this context, where we're talking only about the deep Tube lines, it's perfectly correct to call it the Tube. So why do all the roundel signs say Underground..? That's what it's been known as my whole life and I was born in London even though I don't live there any more. Sorry, to me it always has been and always will be the Underground. That's the official historic name, but it's not what Londoners call it. Only someone who doesn't know London would call it that. It's not what TfL calls it. Try looking for the word 'Underground' in: https://tfl.gov.uk And if you want an official Underground map, guess what it's long been called: https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track/tube I don't recall that ordinary Londoners have called it the Underground for at least a century; the Tube name started to catch on from 1900 with the CLR, otherwise known as the 'Tuppenny Tube': http://www.historyhouse.co.uk/articles/the_tube.html |
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In message , MissRiaElaine
writes On 31/08/2019 20:26, Recliner wrote: MissRiaElaine wrote: How many more times..? It's the *UNDERGROUND* not the "Tube" GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR..!!!!!!!!! You'll have to tell LU and TfL, who routinely call the whole system the Tube. And in this context, where we're talking only about the deep Tube lines, it's perfectly correct to call it the Tube. So why do all the roundel signs say Underground..? That's what it's been known as my whole life and I was born in London even though I don't live there any more. Sorry, to me it always has been and always will be the Underground. Trolley Bus roundels used to say Trolleybus but it wasn't the name of the LPTB -- Bryan Morris |
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In message , MissRiaElaine
writes So why do all the roundel signs say Underground..? That's what it's been known as my whole life and I was born in London even though I don't live there any more. Next time you're in London get a map, it's called the TUBE map. -- Bryan Morris |
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Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , MissRiaElaine writes So why do all the roundel signs say Underground..? That's what it's been known as my whole life and I was born in London even though I don't live there any more. Next time you're in London get a map, it's called the TUBE map. Shouting TUBE like a loud mouthed toddler doesn’t negate that in the past the map has been known as the UndergrounD. map and further back it has also carried the legend Railways, Diagram of Lines. Examples of both in these links to current ebay sales https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tube-map-...-/113868840132 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-L...-/183874190840 Go back further and the maps carried the title London Electric Railways So using the maps and what they are titled isn’t really a good indication of what the network was popularly known as at any one time as saying “ I’m going to take the London Electric Railways “ would be a bit of a mouthful.” My London relatives who were around from the 1920’s generally called it the UndergrounD and I of 1950’s vintage and generally still do. Tube which has equally been around since the early 20th century since it it started as a catchy marketing title was generally thought to be the the deeper bored lines. The distinction between the two seems have become blurred from about the1970’s- 1980’s and has now become official. The same period has seen many use Train Station instead of Railway Station.,neither are wrong it is just the way our language evolves . GM |
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On 31/08/2019 23:00, Recliner wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote: Sorry, to me it always has been and always will be the Underground. That's the official historic name, but it's not what Londoners call it. Only someone who doesn't know London would call it that. Sorry, wrong. I was born in Romford and grew up in Barkingside. I only moved up here when I got married, after a brief stint in the Midlands. So don't tell me I don't know London. The official historic name is good enough for me. -- Ria in Aberdeen [Send address is invalid, use sipsoup at gmail dot com to reply direct] |
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On 31/08/2019 23:36, Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , MissRiaElaine writes So why do all the roundel signs say Underground..? That's what it's been known as my whole life and I was born in London even though I don't live there any more. Next time you're in London get a map, it's called the TUBE map. It is now, because some idiot decided to change the name. All the old maps I saved from my childhood say Underground. -- Ria in Aberdeen [Send address is invalid, use sipsoup at gmail dot com to reply direct] |
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On 01/09/2019 10:57, Marland wrote:
So using the maps and what they are titled isn’t really a good indication of what the network was popularly known as at any one time as saying “ I’m going to take the London Electric Railways “ would be a bit of a mouthful.” My London relatives who were around from the 1920’s generally called it the UndergrounD and I of 1950’s vintage and generally still do. Tube which has equally been around since the early 20th century since it it started as a catchy marketing title was generally thought to be the the deeper bored lines. The distinction between the two seems have become blurred from about the1970’s- 1980’s and has now become official. The same period has seen many use Train Station instead of Railway Station.,neither are wrong it is just the way our language evolves . I spent 15+ years working for British Rail, not British Trains. It will always be a railway station as far as I'm concerned. Train station is an Americanism. Next you'll be wanting me to drop the u from colour, armour and similar words. No thanks. -- Ria in Aberdeen [Send address is invalid, use sipsoup at gmail dot com to reply direct] |
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In message , at 09:57:58 on Sun, 1 Sep
2019, Marland remarked: My London relatives who were around from the 1920’s generally called it the UndergrounD and I of 1950’s vintage and generally still do. Tube which has equally been around since the early 20th century since it it started as a catchy marketing title was generally thought to be the the deeper bored lines. The distinction between the two seems have become blurred from about the1970’s- 1980’s and has now become official. The same period has seen many use Train Station instead of Railway Station. One if the worst offenders for "Train Station" are bus companies (the bigger ones also train operators of course) in the naming of bus stops and even painting on the side of a bus. https://www.flickr.com/photos/132645374@N08/36278889712 -- Roland Perry |
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On 01/09/2019 12:44, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 01/09/2019 10:57, Marland wrote: So using the maps and what they are titled isn’t really a good indication of what the network was popularly known as at any one time as saying “ I’m going to take the London Electric Railways “ would be a bit of a mouthful.” My London relatives who were around from the 1920’s generally called it the UndergrounD and I of 1950’s vintage** and generally still do.* Tube which has equally been around since the early 20th century since it it started as a catchy marketing title was generally thought to be the the deeper bored lines. The distinction between the two seems have become blurred from about the1970’s- 1980’s and has now become official. The same period has seen many use Train Station instead of Railway Station.,neither are wrong it is just the way* our language evolves . I spent 15+ years working for British Rail, not British Trains. It will always be a railway station as far as I'm concerned. Train station is an Americanism. Next you'll be wanting me to drop the u from colour, armour and similar words. No thanks. Actually train station appears to be a tabloidism, railroad stations and/or depots seem to be the preferred nomenclature across the pond. -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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On 01/09/2019 12:53, Graeme Wall wrote:
Actually train station appears to be a tabloidism, railroad stations and/or depots seem to be the preferred nomenclature across the pond. Yes, I think you may be right, not been over there for a while. I did take the coast-to-coast trip from New York to Oakland and down to LA about 20 years ago, would love to do that again. -- Ria in Aberdeen [Send address is invalid, use sipsoup at gmail dot com to reply direct] |
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In message , at 12:44:12 on Sun, 1 Sep
2019, MissRiaElaine remarked: I spent 15+ years working for British Rail, not British Trains. When did they lose the "ways"? https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-or...railways-logo- 20114170.html -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 12:53:52 on Sun, 1 Sep 2019,
Graeme Wall remarked: Train station is an Americanism. Next you'll be wanting me to drop the u from colour, armour and similar words. No thanks. Actually train station appears to be a tabloidism, railroad stations and/or depots seem to be the preferred nomenclature across the pond. Indeed. It's a British thing, falling into step (oops, I nearly said 'in line') with Bus Station. -- Roland Perry |
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On 01/09/2019 13:01, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:44:12 on Sun, 1 Sep 2019, MissRiaElaine remarked: I spent 15+ years working for British Rail, not British Trains. When did they lose the "ways"? https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-or...railways-logo- 20114170.html 1965, according to Wiki - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail -- Ria in Aberdeen [Send address is invalid, use sipsoup at gmail dot com to reply direct] |
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On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 12:41:40 +0100, MissRiaElaine
wrote: On 31/08/2019 23:36, Bryan Morris wrote: In message , MissRiaElaine writes So why do all the roundel signs say Underground..? That's what it's been known as my whole life and I was born in London even though I don't live there any more. Next time you're in London get a map, it's called the TUBE map. It is now, because some idiot decided to change the name. All the old maps I saved from my childhood say Underground. Guess what, there also wasn't a London Overground when you were a child, even though those same railway lines existed then. |
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On 01/09/2019 12:41, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 31/08/2019 23:36, Bryan Morris wrote: In message , MissRiaElaine writes So why do all the roundel signs say Underground..? That's what it's been known as my whole life and I was born in London even though I don't live there any more. Next time you're in London get a map, it's called the TUBE map. It is now, because some idiot decided to change the name. All the old maps I saved from my childhood say Underground. Save toner and breath - and call it LT. That was how it was 50 years ago when I worked for, LT. PA |
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On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 13:11:05 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: In message , at 12:53:52 on Sun, 1 Sep 2019, Graeme Wall remarked: Train station is an Americanism. Next you'll be wanting me to drop the u from colour, armour and similar words. No thanks. Actually train station appears to be a tabloidism, railroad stations and/or depots seem to be the preferred nomenclature across the pond. Indeed. It's a British thing, falling into step (oops, I nearly said 'in line') with Bus Station. And, to be fair, that's perfectly logical. Bus stations aren't called road stations, after all. We go to stations to board trains or buses, not to visit the steel rails or roads. So, although it still grates on me, I can't really object to Train Station. |
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On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 12:40:32 +0100, MissRiaElaine
wrote: On 31/08/2019 23:00, Recliner wrote: MissRiaElaine wrote: Sorry, to me it always has been and always will be the Underground. That's the official historic name, but it's not what Londoners call it. Only someone who doesn't know London would call it that. Sorry, wrong. I was born in Romford and grew up in Barkingside. I only moved up here when I got married, after a brief stint in the Midlands. So don't tell me I don't know London. The official historic name is good enough for me. If you want official historic names, why pick the arbitrary Underground name? It wasn't the original name for the lines, and isn't the current colloquial name. Would you talk about taking a Metropolitan Railway train from Paddington to Farringdon? And, of course, you'd use the City & South London Railway to get from London Bridge to Stockwell. After all, those are the official historical names. The Tube is the technically correct term for the deep tube lines, but being shorter, and most people not being techies, its use extended to cover all the LU lines, and TfL has reflected that reality. And, of course, there's a new naming issue coming up: Crossrail. TfL is treating the Elizabeth Line as a network in its own right, not just as another underground or Tube line. So it'll have its own roundel, just like the whole of the Underground and the whole of the Overground, but unlike, say, the Metropolitan Line (or, to you, the Metropolitan Railway). One could have argued with equal logic that it should be regarded as a Tube line or an Overground line. |
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On 01/09/2019 13:01, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:44:12 on Sun, 1 Sep 2019, MissRiaElaine remarked: I spent 15+ years working for British Rail, not British Trains. When did they lose the "ways"? https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-or...railways-logo- 20114170.html 1965, there was a massive rebranding exercise introducing drab blue liveries[1] and the indecisive arrow. [1] Actually looked quite smart when new but didn't wear well, cheap paint! -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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On 01/09/2019 13:11, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:53:52 on Sun, 1 Sep 2019, Graeme Wall remarked: *Train station is an Americanism. Next you'll be wanting me to drop the u* from colour, armour and similar words. No thanks. Actually train station appears to be a tabloidism, railroad stations and/or depots seem to be the preferred nomenclature across the pond. Indeed. It's a British thing, falling into step (oops, I nearly said 'in line') with Bus Station. Hence the saying, bus stations are where buses stop, train stations are where trains stop, work stations… -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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On 01/09/2019 14:05, Peter Able wrote:
On 01/09/2019 12:41, MissRiaElaine wrote: On 31/08/2019 23:36, Bryan Morris wrote: In message , MissRiaElaine writes So why do all the roundel signs say Underground..? That's what it's been known as my whole life and I was born in London even though I don't live there any more. Next time you're in London get a map, it's called the TUBE map. It is now, because some idiot decided to change the name. All the old maps I saved from my childhood say Underground. Save toner and breath - and call it LT.* That was how it was 50 years ago when I worked for, LT. Wasn't it LRT for about 15 minutes in the 80s? -- Graeme Wall This account not read. |
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On 01/09/2019 14:25, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 01/09/2019 14:05, Peter Able wrote: On 01/09/2019 12:41, MissRiaElaine wrote: On 31/08/2019 23:36, Bryan Morris wrote: In message , MissRiaElaine writes So why do all the roundel signs say Underground..? That's what it's been known as my whole life and I was born in London even though I don't live there any more. Next time you're in London get a map, it's called the TUBE map. It is now, because some idiot decided to change the name. All the old maps I saved from my childhood say Underground. Save toner and breath - and call it LT.* That was how it was 50 years ago when I worked for, LT. Wasn't it LRT for about 15 minutes in the 80s? It was indeed. LRT was all part of Mrs. Thatcher's beating up the GLC, all LT operations moving from the GLC to the Secretary of State for Transport. Two years later, she extended the battle - sacking the GLC entirely. But that was well after my time with LT. Just for the OP, morale was sky-high in those days. Staff were proud to be with LT - and I don't remember any circumstances that there was ambiguity. I started at Chiswick Works which was primarily LT Buses, but did do things like paint tests for both rail and road IIRC. Lots of painted panes on the flat roof of a building - 500 shades of red! On the engineering side everyone was so proud of the A-stock and, being Chiswick, the RMs in particular - though I never saw one on the skid pad - I wonder why? I was in hospital for a colonoscopy this morning - but my spirits were well and truly raised by a bunch of bus enthusiasts marshalling RM(L)s and an SM(?) outside the endoscopy ward ! PA |
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On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 14:05:50 +0100, Peter Able wrote:
On 01/09/2019 12:41, MissRiaElaine wrote: On 31/08/2019 23:36, Bryan Morris wrote: In message , MissRiaElaine writes So why do all the roundel signs say Underground..? That's what it's been known as my whole life and I was born in London even though I don't live there any more. Next time you're in London get a map, it's called the TUBE map. It is now, because some idiot decided to change the name. All the old maps I saved from my childhood say Underground. Save toner and breath - and call it LT. That was how it was 50 years ago when I worked for, LT. LU, surely? LT includes more than the Underground. |
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On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 15:09:35 +0100
Peter Able wrote: On 01/09/2019 14:25, Graeme Wall wrote: On 01/09/2019 14:05, Peter Able wrote: On 01/09/2019 12:41, MissRiaElaine wrote: On 31/08/2019 23:36, Bryan Morris wrote: In message , MissRiaElaine writes So why do all the roundel signs say Underground..? That's what it's been known as my whole life and I was born in London even though I don't live there any more. Next time you're in London get a map, it's called the TUBE map. It is now, because some idiot decided to change the name. All the old maps I saved from my childhood say Underground. Save toner and breath - and call it LT.* That was how it was 50 years ago when I worked for, LT. Wasn't it LRT for about 15 minutes in the 80s? It was indeed. LRT was all part of Mrs. Thatcher's beating up the GLC, all LT operations moving from the GLC to the Secretary of State for Transport. Two years later, she extended the battle - sacking the GLC entirely. I never understood the change from L(R)T to TfL? What exactly did all the office shuffling and rebranding achieve other than keeping some civil servants in work? Transport For London is an unwieldy ugly name that sounds more like a lobbying group than a large public transport organisation. |
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On Sun, 01 Sep 2019 14:05:01 +0100
Billy No Mates Always On His Own Billy No Mates Always On His Own.usenet@gmail. com wrote: On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 12:41:40 +0100, MissRiaElaine wrote: On 31/08/2019 23:36, Bryan Morris wrote: In message , MissRiaElaine writes So why do all the roundel signs say Underground..? That's what it's been known as my whole life and I was born in London even though I don't live there any more. Next time you're in London get a map, it's called the TUBE map. It is now, because some idiot decided to change the name. All the old maps I saved from my childhood say Underground. Guess what, there also wasn't a London Overground when you were a child, even though those same railway lines existed then. Most of of the Overground is little more than a cynical rebranding exercise. The only new section is the ELLX and the service on it is a long way short of being metro service standard. Late trains, large gaps in the service in rush hour, trains skipping stations, pointlessly slow speeds and acceleration, you name it, its got it. If you want a nice scenic trip around hipsterville then its great, if you want to get somewhere quickly then use the tube. |
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On 01/09/2019 15:32, Recliner wrote:
On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 14:05:50 +0100, Peter Able wrote: On 01/09/2019 12:41, MissRiaElaine wrote: On 31/08/2019 23:36, Bryan Morris wrote: In message , MissRiaElaine writes So why do all the roundel signs say Underground..? That's what it's been known as my whole life and I was born in London even though I don't live there any more. Next time you're in London get a map, it's called the TUBE map. It is now, because some idiot decided to change the name. All the old maps I saved from my childhood say Underground. Save toner and breath - and call it LT. That was how it was 50 years ago when I worked for, LT. LU, surely? LT includes more than the Underground. Not 50 years ago - and as I explained (shame on you for quoting selectively) it strengthened morale and never led to ambiguity. LU sounds like where that morale got flushed down by the "image fetishists" I never remember seeing an intending rail passenger waiting for that train at a bus stop - or vice-versa. Of course, that doesn't mean it never happened...:) PA |
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Peter Able wrote:
On 01/09/2019 15:32, Recliner wrote: On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 14:05:50 +0100, Peter Able wrote: On 01/09/2019 12:41, MissRiaElaine wrote: On 31/08/2019 23:36, Bryan Morris wrote: In message , MissRiaElaine writes So why do all the roundel signs say Underground..? That's what it's been known as my whole life and I was born in London even though I don't live there any more. Next time you're in London get a map, it's called the TUBE map. It is now, because some idiot decided to change the name. All the old maps I saved from my childhood say Underground. Save toner and breath - and call it LT. That was how it was 50 years ago when I worked for, LT. LU, surely? LT includes more than the Underground. Not 50 years ago Was LT only the Underground back then? I thought it included the buses. If not, what was the umbrella organisation called? - and as I explained (shame on you for quoting selectively) But I didn't. I quoted your whole post. Shame on you for thinking I'm Roland! it strengthened morale and never led to ambiguity. LU sounds like where that morale got flushed down by the "image fetishists" I never remember seeing an intending rail passenger waiting for that train at a bus stop - or vice-versa. Of course, that doesn't mean it never happened...:) |
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In message , Recliner
writes Peter Able wrote: On 01/09/2019 15:32, Recliner wrote: On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 14:05:50 +0100, Peter Able wrote: On 01/09/2019 12:41, MissRiaElaine wrote: On 31/08/2019 23:36, Bryan Morris wrote: In message , MissRiaElaine writes So why do all the roundel signs say Underground..? That's what it's been known as my whole life and I was born in London even though I don't live there any more. Next time you're in London get a map, it's called the TUBE map. It is now, because some idiot decided to change the name. All the old maps I saved from my childhood say Underground. Save toner and breath - and call it LT. That was how it was 50 years ago when I worked for, LT. LU, surely? LT includes more than the Underground. Not 50 years ago Was LT only the Underground back then? I thought it included the buses. If not, what was the umbrella organisation called? As far as I recall LPTB was the umbrella organisation for London Buses Tube and trams etc. from the 1920s On Transport Nationalisation in 1948 this became LTE (London Country Buses & Green Line Buses were excluded) Might be wrong. OT I wonder who prefer calling buses Omnibuses their original name. - and as I explained (shame on you for quoting selectively) But I didn't. I quoted your whole post. Shame on you for thinking I'm Roland! it strengthened morale and never led to ambiguity. LU sounds like where that morale got flushed down by the "image fetishists" I never remember seeing an intending rail passenger waiting for that train at a bus stop - or vice-versa. Of course, that doesn't mean it never happened...:) -- Bryan Morris |
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