In article , martin.coffee@round-
midnight.org.uk writes
I'm not sure what the arrangements for getting a civil licence these
days. They were conducted by the military but that may have changed.

When I was learning to drive a car and was in the TA, I was told that I
could get a test done by an army examiner and thus jump the queue for
tests. In the end I didn't, though.

--
Clive D.W. Feather

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 21:20:04 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 26/11/2019 20:17, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Richard wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 19:35:03 +0000, Charles Ellson
wrote:

On 24 Nov 2019 13:51:40 GMT, Marland
wrote:

Boltar may be a natural at vehicle handling which not all people are so the
physical driving was ticked off on the first day, the rest were spent
learning what the ringing sound was as the bus approached a stop.

Not in London then where you get ****s ringing the bell 0.1sec after
the bus has left the previous stop.

Better than ringing it too late IMO. Or ringing it when someone else
has already done it

If someone rings it immediately after departure from the previous stop, I
can see the logic in ringing it again on approach to the stop, in case the
driver has forgotten in the meantime.

Except most modern buses have a light on the dash that remains on till
the doors open again.

On one of the bus types that isn't around here [TM] any more, the
time/next stop display didn't always update the next stop until up to
c.50yds after leaving, wiping out any indications resulting from
premature campanology.

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 20:06:54 +0000, Richard
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 19:35:03 +0000, Charles Ellson
wrote:

On 24 Nov 2019 13:51:40 GMT, Marland
wrote:

Boltar may be a natural at vehicle handling which not all people are so the
physical driving was ticked off on the first day, the rest were spent
learning what the ringing sound was as the bus approached a stop.

Not in London then where you get ****s ringing the bell 0.1sec after
the bus has left the previous stop.

Better than ringing it too late IMO. Or ringing it when someone else
has already done it - why does the device not suppress that - or at
the terminus (if you know that it is). Shows a lack of awareness of
surroundings and fellow humans I think.


The lack of awareness manifests itself when those folk just get up off
their seat to walk down the aisle without checking if someone else is
already there. Always makes me wonder if they just pull out without
looking in their cars.

--
AnthonyL

Why do scientists need to BELIEVE in anything?

In message , at 12:08:47
on Wed, 27 Nov 2019, AnthonyL remarked:
Not in London then where you get ****s ringing the bell 0.1sec after
the bus has left the previous stop.

Better than ringing it too late IMO. Or ringing it when someone else
has already done it - why does the device not suppress that - or at
the terminus (if you know that it is). Shows a lack of awareness of
surroundings and fellow humans I think.

The lack of awareness manifests itself when those folk just get up off
their seat to walk down the aisle without checking if someone else is
already there. Always makes me wonder if they just pull out without
looking in their cars.

I was driving down a fairly narrow residential street the other week and
a car backed out of their drive right across my path. The whole time
they were staring straight ahead (maybe looking in the mirror to make
sue they didn't hit the opposite kerb). At no point did they look either
side to see if there was any cross-traffic.
--
Roland Perry

On 26/11/2019 22:40, wrote:
On 25 Nov 2019 00:17:58 GMT, Marland
wrote:

Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Charles Ellson wrote:
On 24 Nov 2019 13:51:40 GMT, Marland
wrote:


Boltar may be a natural at vehicle handling which not all people are so the
physical driving was ticked off on the first day, the rest were spent
learning what the ringing sound was as the bus approached a stop.

Not in London then where you get ****s ringing the bell 0.1sec after
the bus has left the previous stop.


Is there some approved timescale for omnibus campanology of which I'm
somehow unaware?



Although I haven’t used one for some years now Southampton passengers
seemed to be very reluctant to use the bell to the extent that visitors to
the City sometimes remarked about it.
The technique seemed to be that someone wishing to alight at the next stop
would get up from their seat
and just lurk a few feet behind the driver who took that as the signal they
wished to get off .
I rang the bell once and the effect wasn’t that much different to that
created by trying to start a conversation on the London Underground.

Any other places where the use of the Bell was similarly disdained.

I'm not sure if the buses in Lanarkshire even had bells, I never heard
one.

I have never understood why people are so reluctant to ring the bell. Do
they want to get off the bus, or not..? In my driving days I was plagued
by people who would lurk somewhere behind the cab and expect me to
"sense" they were there.

I vividly remember one guy, quite well dressed in a business suit and
carrying a briefcase, who, when I had missed the stop that he'd wanted
(not deliberately by any means, I assure you) got very vocal and started
questioning my parentage in very colourful language.

I said to him very politely, why didn't you ring the bell..? He replied
that he never did. I said that if he didn't, it was quite possible that
he might miss his stop.

He then stamped his foot like a petulant 5 year old and shouted at the
top of his voice, making the entire bus sit up and take notice,

"I *WON'T* ring the bell..!"

I just said "Ok, I won't stop the bus" to which he didn't say a word and
got off (at the next stop 100 yards down the road) very quietly.



--
Ria in Aberdeen

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On 26/11/2019 21:20, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 26/11/2019 20:17, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Richard wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 19:35:03 +0000, Charles Ellson
wrote:

On 24 Nov 2019 13:51:40 GMT, Marland
wrote:

Boltar may be a natural at vehicle handling which not all people
are so the
physical driving was ticked off on the first day, the rest were spent
learning what the ringing sound was as the bus approached a stop.

Not in London then where you get ****s ringing the bell 0.1sec after
the bus has left the previous stop.

Better than ringing it too late IMO.Â* Or ringing it when someone else
has already done it

If someone rings it immediately after departure from the previous stop, I
can see the logic in ringing it again on approach to the stop, in case
the
driver has forgotten in the meantime.

Except most modern buses have a light on the dash that remains on till
the doors open again.

And the bulb fails and the engineers never bother replacing it.


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Ria in Aberdeen

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On 27/11/2019 17:26, MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 26/11/2019 21:20, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 26/11/2019 20:17, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Richard wrote:
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 19:35:03 +0000, Charles Ellson
wrote:

On 24 Nov 2019 13:51:40 GMT, Marland
wrote:

Boltar may be a natural at vehicle handling which not all people
are so the
physical driving was ticked off on the first day, the rest were spent
learning what the ringing sound was as the bus approached a stop.

Not in London then where you get ****s ringing the bell 0.1sec after
the bus has left the previous stop.

Better than ringing it too late IMO.Â* Or ringing it when someone else
has already done it

If someone rings it immediately after departure from the previous
stop, I
can see the logic in ringing it again on approach to the stop, in
case the
driver has forgotten in the meantime.

Except most modern buses have a light on the dash that remains on till
the doors open again.

And the bulb fails and the engineers never bother replacing it.



:-)

LEDs don't fail nearly so often fortunately

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:24:10 +0000, MissRiaElaine
wrote:

On 26/11/2019 22:40, wrote:
On 25 Nov 2019 00:17:58 GMT, Marland
wrote:

Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
Charles Ellson wrote:
On 24 Nov 2019 13:51:40 GMT, Marland
wrote:


Boltar may be a natural at vehicle handling which not all people are so the
physical driving was ticked off on the first day, the rest were spent
learning what the ringing sound was as the bus approached a stop.

Not in London then where you get ****s ringing the bell 0.1sec after
the bus has left the previous stop.


Is there some approved timescale for omnibus campanology of which I'm
somehow unaware?



Although I haven’t used one for some years now Southampton passengers
seemed to be very reluctant to use the bell to the extent that visitors to
the City sometimes remarked about it.
The technique seemed to be that someone wishing to alight at the next stop
would get up from their seat
and just lurk a few feet behind the driver who took that as the signal they
wished to get off .
I rang the bell once and the effect wasn’t that much different to that
created by trying to start a conversation on the London Underground.

Any other places where the use of the Bell was similarly disdained.

I'm not sure if the buses in Lanarkshire even had bells, I never heard
one.

I have never understood why people are so reluctant to ring the bell. Do
they want to get off the bus, or not..? In my driving days I was plagued
by people who would lurk somewhere behind the cab and expect me to
"sense" they were there.

IME that often used to be standard practice in more rural parts where
stops were miles apart and all effectively compulsory (in LT terms).
ISTR some country buses years ago didn't have a bell to ring anyway.

I vividly remember one guy, quite well dressed in a business suit and
carrying a briefcase, who, when I had missed the stop that he'd wanted
(not deliberately by any means, I assure you) got very vocal and started
questioning my parentage in very colourful language.

I said to him very politely, why didn't you ring the bell..? He replied
that he never did. I said that if he didn't, it was quite possible that
he might miss his stop.

He then stamped his foot like a petulant 5 year old and shouted at the
top of his voice, making the entire bus sit up and take notice,

"I *WON'T* ring the bell..!"

I just said "Ok, I won't stop the bus" to which he didn't say a word and
got off (at the next stop 100 yards down the road) very quietly.

In uk.railway John Ray wrote:
On 24/11/2019 21:00, Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:

Is there some approved timescale for omnibus campanology of which I'm
somehow unaware?

I always wait for the next stop to be announced on the PA system, which
means that, very often, I don't get the chance to ring the bell.

Some Oxford buses tell you to remain in your seat until the bus reaches its
stop, but not all seats have a button for the bell within reach - the first
on the top deck is about three rows back, for instance. When I've
complained to them about their vehicles not having bells within easy reach,
they blame the manufacturers, as though despite being one of the Big Five
bus operators in the country and purchasing their vehicles from new, they
have no say over bus design.

On 27/11/2019 19:06, Robin Stevens wrote:

Some Oxford buses tell you to remain in your seat until the bus reaches its
stop, but not all seats have a button for the bell within reach - the first
on the top deck is about three rows back, for instance. When I've
complained to them about their vehicles not having bells within easy reach,
they blame the manufacturers, as though despite being one of the Big Five
bus operators in the country and purchasing their vehicles from new, they
have no say over bus design.

They probably don't. These things are decided by accountants, not
drivers or engineers who actually have to *use* the things. As for
passengers, they don't even enter the consciousness of those who make
these decisions.


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Ria in Aberdeen

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