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wrote in message ...
On Fri, 8 May 2020 20:05:57 +0100
Bryan Morris wrote:
So yes, Recliner, I'm ****ed off how Usenet has become and political
point scoring about those cruel Tories not supporting care homes.

Rant over for the moment

I think the reason for a lot of it is that politicians have become a lot
like CEOs - they come out with a lot of fancy words with little to back
them
up and are quite happy to take the plaudits for when things go right, but
when things go wrong suddenly its all someone elses fault. That gets up a
lot
of peoples noses. If you need an example look how Boris & Co were making a
big deal about that PPE from Turkey, yet when it turned out to be faulty
(how
the f**k can you screw up making a simple gown?) there were lots of umms
and
ahhs and no one taking the blame for not ordering it to be checked before
it
left turkey.

The practicalities of the situation (not being able to travel) caused it not
to be checked before shipping

There doesn't really seem an obvious solution to that

The (soluble) problem was was probably that we didn't make sure that the
supplier understood that he needed to make the product out of the correct
grade of material and had access to same.

FWIW, I suspect that large parts of the world do not have such stringent
requirements here, as the developed world does. Gowns made from (some grade
of) normal clothing fabric are probably considered acceptable (50%
protection is always better than zero). Thus manufactures in these countries
(which encompasses the countries that we go to for cheap quick, throw away,
clothing) probably think that it's perfectly acceptable to make them that
way too.

So that's what they did

Happy for someone to provide evidence (not hyperbole) that I'm wrong

tim

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 15:03:55 on Fri, 8 May 2020,
Roland Perry remarked:
In message , at 14:47:15 on Fri, 8 May
2020, Bryan Morris remarked:

millions of people who were children during WW II would remember what it
was all about, who lost fathers and mothers, who had members of their
families in the armed forces, who remember VE day celebrations, who
remember being bombed or spending nights in shelters.

Anyone who was 12 in 1945 would be fully up to speed with the situation.
So that's 87 or older. Many who were younger than that.

BBC's poster child on the evening news was a lady who was 8yrs old on VE
day.

I was 8 when England won the world cup

I can remember watching the game, but cannot recollect why I was in front of
the TV doing this

I can recall no celebrations afterwards

(were there any)

But it stuck in my memory for some reason

make of that what you wish

tim

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Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/05/2020 11:51, wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 10:18:50 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Some, like Raab and Hancock, are simply over-promoted, but might grow into
the job; others, like Patel and Williamson, shouldn't be in the Cabinet at

Patel shouldn't even be an MP, never mind home secretary with her temperament
and lack of ability.



She fulfills the basic requirements for the post, she's no threat to Boris.


Yes, that's so true.

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Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/05/2020 11:51, wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 10:18:50 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Some, like Raab and Hancock, are simply over-promoted, but might grow into
the job; others, like Patel and Williamson, shouldn't be in the Cabinet at

Patel shouldn't even be an MP, never mind home secretary with her temperament
and lack of ability.



She fulfills the basic requirements for the post, she's no threat to Boris.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-needs-to-take-control-of-the-cockpit-25t0tw7ck?shareToken=6b18d3fb6b6d01ff91914c0ed6fb7 92e

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:03:55 on Fri, 8 May 2020,
Roland Perry remarked:
In message , at 14:47:15 on Fri, 8 May
2020, Bryan Morris remarked:

millions of people who were children during WW II would remember what
it was all about, who lost fathers and mothers, who had members of
their families in the armed forces, who remember VE day celebrations,
who remember being bombed or spending nights in shelters.

Anyone who was 12 in 1945 would be fully up to speed with the
situation. So that's 87 or older. Many who were younger than that.

BBC's poster child on the evening news was a lady who was 8yrs old on VE
day.

I can certainly remember heck of a lot things about my surroundings from
when I was about 7 and the odd thing earlier. What I don’t recall is the
political, social reasons for things being what they were.
Eg I remember trolleybuses in London stopping but wasn’t interested or
recall asking explanation why,
I still have a vivid recollection of being taken in primary school class
to the edge of the Great West Road to see President Eisenhower sweep past,
only in later years did I learn who he was and his place in history .
Things just happen when you are a child and you remember them but don’t get
involved often in the reasons why they happen.

GH

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In message , at 12:05:00 on Sat, 9 May
2020, Marland remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:03:55 on Fri, 8 May 2020,
Roland Perry remarked:
In message , at 14:47:15 on Fri, 8 May
2020, Bryan Morris remarked:

millions of people who were children during WW II would remember what
it was all about, who lost fathers and mothers, who had members of
their families in the armed forces, who remember VE day celebrations,
who remember being bombed or spending nights in shelters.

Anyone who was 12 in 1945 would be fully up to speed with the
situation. So that's 87 or older. Many who were younger than that.

BBC's poster child on the evening news was a lady who was 8yrs old on VE
day.

I can certainly remember heck of a lot things about my surroundings from
when I was about 7 and the odd thing earlier.

I remember everything back to when I was four. But nothing before that.
Perhaps the kerfuffle of moving house at that age acted as a firewall?

What I don’t recall is the political, social reasons for things being
what they were.
Eg I remember trolleybuses in London stopping but wasn’t interested or
recall asking explanation why,
I still have a vivid recollection of being taken in primary school class
to the edge of the Great West Road to see President Eisenhower sweep past,
only in later years did I learn who he was and his place in history .
Things just happen when you are a child and you remember them but don’t get
involved often in the reasons why they happen.

That didn't seem to apply to the lady on the news last night; perhaps
the unique circumstances of the blitz meant people were more aware of
their surroundings, and why things were happening?
--
Roland Perry

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tim... wrote:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 15:03:55 on Fri, 8 May 2020,
Roland Perry remarked:
In message , at 14:47:15 on Fri, 8 May
2020, Bryan Morris remarked:

millions of people who were children during WW II would remember what it
was all about, who lost fathers and mothers, who had members of their
families in the armed forces, who remember VE day celebrations, who
remember being bombed or spending nights in shelters.

Anyone who was 12 in 1945 would be fully up to speed with the situation.
So that's 87 or older. Many who were younger than that.

BBC's poster child on the evening news was a lady who was 8yrs old on VE
day.

I was 8 when England won the world cup

I can remember watching the game, but cannot recollect why I was in front of
the TV doing this

I can recall no celebrations afterwards

(were there any)

But it stuck in my memory for some reason

make of that what you wish

tim





I was older at 11 and didn’t have much interest in football but recall the
mascot of the time World Cup Willie ( which sounds like it should be a STD
)everywhere .We hadn’t long moved to the West Country and I got invited
to be part of a group of youngsters who then became the “winning team “
on a Carnival float where I was told I would play the part of Alan Ball.
TBH I wasn’t that enthralled about the experience but it was made tolerable
as the floats and Carnival were assembled in the vicinity of a still
active Halwill Junction though it only had a few more weeks before the Bude
and North Cornwall line to Padstow closed ,the Torrington one had already
gone and the passing trains held my interest more than .
It was soon after then I got to realise that closed when used in reference
to Railways was a permanent thing ,before when I had heard the adults say
the the railway was going to be close I thought it would be like a shop and
open again later.

GH

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On 09/05/2020 13:05, Marland wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:03:55 on Fri, 8 May 2020,
Roland Perry remarked:
In message , at 14:47:15 on Fri, 8 May
2020, Bryan Morris remarked:

millions of people who were children during WW II would remember what
it was all about, who lost fathers and mothers, who had members of
their families in the armed forces, who remember VE day celebrations,
who remember being bombed or spending nights in shelters.

Anyone who was 12 in 1945 would be fully up to speed with the
situation. So that's 87 or older. Many who were younger than that.

BBC's poster child on the evening news was a lady who was 8yrs old on VE
day.

I can certainly remember heck of a lot things about my surroundings from
when I was about 7 and the odd thing earlier. What I don’t recall is the
political, social reasons for things being what they were.
Eg I remember trolleybuses in London stopping but wasn’t interested or
recall asking explanation why,

I can just remember seeing trams (strictly, a tram) in London, I can't
have been more than 3 years old.


--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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In message , Graeme Wall
writes
On 09/05/2020 13:05, Marland wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:03:55 on Fri, 8 May 2020,
Roland Perry remarked:
In message , at 14:47:15 on Fri, 8 May
2020, Bryan Morris remarked:

millions of people who were children during WW II would remember what
it was all about, who lost fathers and mothers, who had members of
their families in the armed forces, who remember VE day celebrations,
who remember being bombed or spending nights in shelters.

Anyone who was 12 in 1945 would be fully up to speed with the
situation. So that's 87 or older. Many who were younger than that.

BBC's poster child on the evening news was a lady who was 8yrs old on VE
day.

I can certainly remember heck of a lot things about my surroundings from
when I was about 7 and the odd thing earlier. What I don’t recall is the
political, social reasons for things being what they were.
Eg I remember trolleybuses in London stopping but wasn’t interested or
recall asking explanation why,

I can just remember seeing trams (strictly, a tram) in London, I can't
have been more than 3 years old.


I can beat that. I hazily remembered being in my pram with hills all
around, going down.

Years later I happened to mention it when an aunt was present. She
remembered it.

Apparently we went to Wales when I was maybe a year/ 18 months old, my
aunt was pushing me in a pram in a village in the Welsh valleys. Going
down a hill she was terrified she would lose her grip on the pram or
fall down and it would roll down the hill.

I assume I could sense her fear and I always remembered it.
--
Bryan Morris

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ...

BBC's poster child on the evening news was a lady who was 8yrs old on VE day.


Don't despair.

It's only another 11 years to the 75th anniversary of Suez.

If you spend a bit of time hanging around outside New Broadcasting House
in June 2031, you may get the chance to be a poster child too.


michael adams

....

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On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:53:10 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/05/2020 11:51, wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 10:18:50 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Some, like Raab and Hancock, are simply over-promoted, but might grow into
the job; others, like Patel and Williamson, shouldn't be in the Cabinet at

Patel shouldn't even be an MP, never mind home secretary with her
temperament
and lack of ability.



She fulfills the basic requirements for the post, she's no threat to Boris.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...ontrol-of-the-
cockpit-25t0tw7ck?shareToken=6b18d3fb6b6d01ff91914c0ed6fb7 92e

He's spot on.

"It’s time to ask whether Boris Johnson is up to the job"

I think we all know the answer to that. He's not quite as bad as Theresa May
but he's no Churchill as some more deluded journos liked to portray him. He's
not even a John Major - at least the latter knew his own mind even if most
decisions he made were usually wrong.

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On Sat, 9 May 2020 12:24:59 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
wrote in message ...
On Fri, 8 May 2020 20:05:57 +0100
Bryan Morris wrote:
So yes, Recliner, I'm ****ed off how Usenet has become and political
point scoring about those cruel Tories not supporting care homes.

Rant over for the moment

I think the reason for a lot of it is that politicians have become a lot
like CEOs - they come out with a lot of fancy words with little to back
them
up and are quite happy to take the plaudits for when things go right, but
when things go wrong suddenly its all someone elses fault. That gets up a
lot
of peoples noses. If you need an example look how Boris & Co were making a
big deal about that PPE from Turkey, yet when it turned out to be faulty
(how
the f**k can you screw up making a simple gown?) there were lots of umms
and
ahhs and no one taking the blame for not ordering it to be checked before
it
left turkey.

The practicalities of the situation (not being able to travel) caused it not
to be checked before shipping

There doesn't really seem an obvious solution to that

The (soluble) problem was was probably that we didn't make sure that the
supplier understood that he needed to make the product out of the correct
grade of material and had access to same.

FWIW, I suspect that large parts of the world do not have such stringent
requirements here, as the developed world does. Gowns made from (some grade
of) normal clothing fabric are probably considered acceptable (50%
protection is always better than zero). Thus manufactures in these countries
(which encompasses the countries that we go to for cheap quick, throw away,
clothing) probably think that it's perfectly acceptable to make them that
way too.

I suspect a lot of NHS workers would prefer to take their chances with these
gowns that have 2nd hand ones or none at all.

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wrote in message ...
On Sat, 9 May 2020 12:24:59 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 May 2020 20:05:57 +0100
Bryan Morris wrote:
So yes, Recliner, I'm ****ed off how Usenet has become and political
point scoring about those cruel Tories not supporting care homes.

Rant over for the moment

I think the reason for a lot of it is that politicians have become a lot
like CEOs - they come out with a lot of fancy words with little to back
them
up and are quite happy to take the plaudits for when things go right,
but
when things go wrong suddenly its all someone elses fault. That gets up
a
lot
of peoples noses. If you need an example look how Boris & Co were making
a
big deal about that PPE from Turkey, yet when it turned out to be faulty
(how
the f**k can you screw up making a simple gown?) there were lots of umms
and
ahhs and no one taking the blame for not ordering it to be checked
before
it
left turkey.

The practicalities of the situation (not being able to travel) caused it
not
to be checked before shipping

There doesn't really seem an obvious solution to that

The (soluble) problem was was probably that we didn't make sure that the
supplier understood that he needed to make the product out of the correct
grade of material and had access to same.

FWIW, I suspect that large parts of the world do not have such stringent
requirements here, as the developed world does. Gowns made from (some
grade
of) normal clothing fabric are probably considered acceptable (50%
protection is always better than zero). Thus manufactures in these
countries
(which encompasses the countries that we go to for cheap quick, throw
away,
clothing) probably think that it's perfectly acceptable to make them that
way too.

I suspect a lot of NHS workers would prefer to take their chances with
these
gowns that have 2nd hand ones or none at all.

they might

the unions and the local press OTOH ...

tim

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Graeme Wall wrote:

Anyone who was 12 in 1945 would be fully up to speed with the
situation. So that's 87 or older. Many who were younger than that.

BBC's poster child on the evening news was a lady who was 8yrs old on VE
day.

I can certainly remember heck of a lot things about my surroundings from
when I was about 7 and the odd thing earlier. What I don’t recall is the
political, social reasons for things being what they were.
Eg I remember trolleybuses in London stopping but wasn’t interested or
recall asking explanation why,

I can just remember seeing trams (strictly, a tram) in London, I can't
have been more than 3 years old.



I do have recollections of certain events when I was around that age and
one which must have occurred when I was even younger, one was when I threw
an Umbrella that Mother had hung on my pushchair into Chiswick High Road
and before she could secure the chair and retrieve it a car stopped
and the woman passenger picked it up and sped away. It must be the
unusualness of such events compared to the more mundane that make them
stick though I do remember a lot about our trips out to Kent and Sussex
undertaken in an Austin 7 when I was small but there are annoying gaps, we
occasionally crossed a railway line with a level crossing with no gates
which seemed unusual and once actually saw a train so I think it must have
been part of Kent and East Sussex before it closed
Rye was a regular destination and we used a floating tea shop in an old
boat, I’d love to find out what it was actually called and when it was
removed. My natural father died soon after I was 6 so a lot of the
information he would have been able to fill in on such things went with
him.

GH

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wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:53:10 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/05/2020 11:51, wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 10:18:50 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Some, like Raab and Hancock, are simply over-promoted, but might grow into
the job; others, like Patel and Williamson, shouldn't be in the Cabinet at

Patel shouldn't even be an MP, never mind home secretary with her
temperament
and lack of ability.



She fulfills the basic requirements for the post, she's no threat to Boris.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...ontrol-of-the-
cockpit-25t0tw7ck?shareToken=6b18d3fb6b6d01ff91914c0ed6fb7 92e

He's spot on.

"It’s time to ask whether Boris Johnson is up to the job"

I think we all know the answer to that. He's not quite as bad as Theresa May
but he's no Churchill as some more deluded journos liked to portray him.

The main such journo being one Boris Johnson.

He's
not even a John Major - at least the latter knew his own mind even if most
decisions he made were usually wrong.

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wrote in message ...
On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:53:10 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/05/2020 11:51, wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 10:18:50 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Some, like Raab and Hancock, are simply over-promoted, but might grow
into
the job; others, like Patel and Williamson, shouldn't be in the
Cabinet at

Patel shouldn't even be an MP, never mind home secretary with her
temperament
and lack of ability.



She fulfills the basic requirements for the post, she's no threat to
Boris.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...ontrol-of-the-
cockpit-25t0tw7ck?shareToken=6b18d3fb6b6d01ff91914c0ed6fb7 92e

He's spot on.

"Itâ?Ts time to ask whether Boris Johnson is up to the job"


putting the presentation to one side, Parris appears to be arguing that the
policy is wrong

but is there really any mainstream opinion that anything except another
three weeks of lockdown is the only sensible policy here, starting from
where we are?

(I agree that we should have done things differently 8 weeks ago so as not
to be where we are. But we only know that if you have a professor of
hindsight advising you!)

tim

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On Sat, 9 May 2020 16:53:25 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
wrote in message ...
He's spot on.

"Itâ?Ts time to ask whether Boris Johnson is up to the job"


putting the presentation to one side, Parris appears to be arguing that the
policy is wrong

but is there really any mainstream opinion that anything except another
three weeks of lockdown is the only sensible policy here, starting from
where we are?

Sweden. And stricter lockdowns in spain, italy and france have had next to
no impact on infection rate per head of population. Its pretty obvious from
anyone who cares to engage brain that the only thing a lockdown is doing is
sending us into an economic abyss we may not recover from for a decade or
longer and in the meantime there will be a lot of seriously unhappy unemployed
out on the streets once lockdown is lifted.

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On 09/05/2020 16:35, wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:53:10 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/05/2020 11:51, wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 10:18:50 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Some, like Raab and Hancock, are simply over-promoted, but might grow into
the job; others, like Patel and Williamson, shouldn't be in the Cabinet at

Patel shouldn't even be an MP, never mind home secretary with her
temperament
and lack of ability.



She fulfills the basic requirements for the post, she's no threat to Boris.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...ontrol-of-the-
cockpit-25t0tw7ck?shareToken=6b18d3fb6b6d01ff91914c0ed6fb7 92e

He's spot on.

"It’s time to ask whether Boris Johnson is up to the job"

I think we all know the answer to that. He's not quite as bad as Theresa May
but he's no Churchill as some more deluded journos liked to portray him. He's
not even a John Major - at least the latter knew his own mind even if most
decisions he made were usually wrong.


r some reason I am seeing your posts in this thread, but not Recliners.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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wrote in message ...
On Fri, 8 May 2020 19:27:00 +0100
"michael adams" wrote:

That's all very interesting I'm sure. However I was merely pointing out that
whether or not the carriages were nice and empty as they were in your case,
would presumably depend on the time of day your journey was made. So that
without any such information, your otherwise helpful suggestion that others
might care to follow your example, is of very little use I'm afraid.

I went into town about 12.30 and came back around 2.30. At one point I
literally had an entire piccadilly line train to myself apart from the driver.
It was quite bizarre.


Thanks. Although with everything closed, presumably, it would probably
be quite frustrating walking around with nowhere to go except maybe
the odd supermarket. Maybe Sainsburys on TCR or Tesco in Googe St
frinstance.


michael adams

....

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On 09/05/2020 16:32, michael adams wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ...

BBC's poster child on the evening news was a lady who was 8yrs old on VE day.


Don't despair.

It's only another 11 years to the 75th anniversary of Suez.

Who is going to want to commemorate our defeat by the Americans?

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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In message , Graeme Wall
writes
On 09/05/2020 16:35, wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:53:10 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/05/2020 11:51, wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 10:18:50 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Some, like Raab and Hancock, are simply over-promoted, but might
grow into
the job; others, like Patel and Williamson, shouldn't be in the
Cabinet at

Patel shouldn't even be an MP, never mind home secretary with her
temperament
and lack of ability.



She fulfills the basic requirements for the post, she's no threat to Boris.



https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...to-take-contro
l-of-the-
cockpit-25t0tw7ck?shareToken=6b18d3fb6b6d01ff91914c0ed6fb7 92e
He's spot on.
"It’s time to ask whether Boris Johnson is up to the job"
I think we all know the answer to that. He's not quite as bad as
Theresa May
but he's no Churchill as some more deluded journos liked to portray him. He's
not even a John Major - at least the latter knew his own mind even if most
decisions he made were usually wrong.


r some reason I am seeing your posts in this thread, but not Recliners.


Did you, like me, once block anything posted from gmail.com after a
spate of drug pusher posts using gmail addresses?
--
Bryan Morris

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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 09/05/2020 16:32, michael adams wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ...

BBC's poster child on the evening news was a lady who was 8yrs old on VE day.


Don't despair.

It's only another 11 years to the 75th anniversary of Suez.

Who is going to want to commemorate our defeat by the Americans?

Well Roland for a start; if it gives him the chance of being a poster child
on the TV.

Its pretty obvious he's rather miffed at missing out on VE Day.


michael adams

.....

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Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/05/2020 16:32, michael adams wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ...

BBC's poster child on the evening news was a lady who was 8yrs old on VE day.


Don't despair.

It's only another 11 years to the 75th anniversary of Suez.

Who is going to want to commemorate our defeat by the Americans?


Same wazzocks who now celebrate the 4th of July in England.

GH

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On Sat, 9 May 2020 17:16:40 +0100
"michael adams" wrote:
wrote in message ...
On Fri, 8 May 2020 19:27:00 +0100
"michael adams" wrote:

That's all very interesting I'm sure. However I was merely pointing out that
whether or not the carriages were nice and empty as they were in your case,
would presumably depend on the time of day your journey was made. So that
without any such information, your otherwise helpful suggestion that others
might care to follow your example, is of very little use I'm afraid.

I went into town about 12.30 and came back around 2.30. At one point I
literally had an entire piccadilly line train to myself apart from the
driver.
It was quite bizarre.


Thanks. Although with everything closed, presumably, it would probably
be quite frustrating walking around with nowhere to go except maybe
the odd supermarket. Maybe Sainsburys on TCR or Tesco in Googe St
frinstance.

I was taking pictures of the lockdown plus having an nice walk through the
backstreets of the west end and mayfair.

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On 09/05/2020 17:36, Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , Graeme Wall
writes
On 09/05/2020 16:35, wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:53:10 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/05/2020 11:51, wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 10:18:50 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Some, like Raab and Hancock, are simply over-promoted, but might
grow into
the job; others, like Patel and Williamson, shouldn't be in the
Cabinet at

Patel shouldn't even be an MP, never mind home secretary with her
temperament
and lack of ability.



She fulfills the basic requirements for the post, she's no threat
to Boris.



https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...to-take-contro
l-of-the-
cockpit-25t0tw7ck?shareToken=6b18d3fb6b6d01ff91914c0ed6fb7 92e
Â*He's spot on.
Â*"It’s time to ask whether Boris Johnson is up to the job"
Â*I think we all know the answer to that. He's not quite as bad as
Theresa May
but he's no Churchill as some more deluded journos liked to portray
him. He's
not even a John Major - at least the latter knew his own mind even if
most
decisions he made were usually wrong.


r some reason I am seeing your posts in this thread, but not Recliners.


Did you, like me, once block anything posted from gmail.com after a
spate of drug pusher posts using gmail addresses?

Nope, I can see his posts on other groups, just not on here.

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Graeme Wall
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In message , at 17:54:15 on Sat, 9 May 2020,
michael adams remarked:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message ...

BBC's poster child on the evening news was a lady who was 8yrs old on VE day.


Don't despair.

It's only another 11 years to the 75th anniversary of Suez.

Who is going to want to commemorate our defeat by the Americans?

Well Roland for a start; if it gives him the chance of being a poster child
on the TV.

Its pretty obvious he's rather miffed at missing out on VE Day.

Where on earth do you get that idea.

--
Roland Perry

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Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/05/2020 17:36, Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , Graeme Wall
writes
On 09/05/2020 16:35, wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:53:10 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/05/2020 11:51, wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 10:18:50 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Some, like Raab and Hancock, are simply over-promoted, but might
grow into
the job; others, like Patel and Williamson, shouldn't be in the
Cabinet at

Patel shouldn't even be an MP, never mind home secretary with her
temperament
and lack of ability.



She fulfills the basic requirements for the post, she's no threat
to Boris.



https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...to-take-contro
l-of-the-
cockpit-25t0tw7ck?shareToken=6b18d3fb6b6d01ff91914c0ed6fb7 92e
Â*He's spot on.
Â*"It’s time to ask whether Boris Johnson is up to the job"
Â*I think we all know the answer to that. He's not quite as bad as
Theresa May
but he's no Churchill as some more deluded journos liked to portray
him. He's
not even a John Major - at least the latter knew his own mind even if
most
decisions he made were usually wrong.


r some reason I am seeing your posts in this thread, but not Recliners.


Did you, like me, once block anything posted from gmail.com after a
spate of drug pusher posts using gmail addresses?

Nope, I can see his posts on other groups, just not on here.


I've not changed how I post, and I don't post via Google Groups.

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On 09/05/2020 20:52, Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/05/2020 17:36, Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , Graeme Wall
writes
On 09/05/2020 16:35, wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 11:53:10 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/05/2020 11:51, wrote:
On Sat, 9 May 2020 10:18:50 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
Some, like Raab and Hancock, are simply over-promoted, but might
grow into
the job; others, like Patel and Williamson, shouldn't be in the
Cabinet at

Patel shouldn't even be an MP, never mind home secretary with her
temperament
and lack of ability.



She fulfills the basic requirements for the post, she's no threat
to Boris.



https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...to-take-contro
l-of-the-
cockpit-25t0tw7ck?shareToken=6b18d3fb6b6d01ff91914c0ed6fb7 92e
Â*He's spot on.
Â*"It’s time to ask whether Boris Johnson is up to the job"
Â*I think we all know the answer to that. He's not quite as bad as
Theresa May
but he's no Churchill as some more deluded journos liked to portray
him. He's
not even a John Major - at least the latter knew his own mind even if
most
decisions he made were usually wrong.


r some reason I am seeing your posts in this thread, but not Recliners.


Did you, like me, once block anything posted from gmail.com after a
spate of drug pusher posts using gmail addresses?

Nope, I can see his posts on other groups, just not on here.


I've not changed how I post, and I don't post via Google Groups.


Got that one, I've rebooted the computer so maybe it was a glitch.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

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wrote in message ...
On Sat, 9 May 2020 17:16:40 +0100

"michael adams" wrote:

Thanks. Although with everything closed, presumably, it would probably
be quite frustrating walking around with nowhere to go except maybe
the odd supermarket. Maybe Sainsburys on TCR or Tesco in Googe St
frinstance.

I was taking pictures of the lockdown plus having an nice walk through the
backstreets of the west end and mayfair.


What *would* be useful at any time, would be the ability to take
pictures of streets, buildings, etc. without the intrusive presence
of parked cars everywhere. Along with too much street furniture, about
which nothing can be done of course. Traffic (and pedestrians) can be
largely avoided by starting at 5.a.m. in summer time; although that
then presents the problem of having all the trees in full leaf.


michael adams

....

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message ...
In message , at 17:54:15 on Sat, 9 May 2020, michael adams
remarked:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...

BBC's poster child on the evening news was a lady who was 8yrs old on VE day.


Don't despair.

It's only another 11 years to the 75th anniversary of Suez.

Who is going to want to commemorate our defeat by the Americans?

Well Roland for a start; if it gives him the chance of being a poster child
on the TV.

Its pretty obvious he's rather miffed at missing out on VE Day.

Where on earth do you get that idea.

Are you stating categorically that if given the chance of being a
poster child, you would in all circumstances refuse ?


michael adams

....

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michael adams wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Sat, 9 May 2020 17:16:40 +0100

"michael adams" wrote:

Thanks. Although with everything closed, presumably, it would probably
be quite frustrating walking around with nowhere to go except maybe
the odd supermarket. Maybe Sainsburys on TCR or Tesco in Googe St
frinstance.

I was taking pictures of the lockdown plus having an nice walk through the
backstreets of the west end and mayfair.


What *would* be useful at any time, would be the ability to take
pictures of streets, buildings, etc. without the intrusive presence
of parked cars everywhere. Along with too much street furniture, about
which nothing can be done of course. Traffic (and pedestrians) can be
largely avoided by starting at 5.a.m. in summer time; although that
then presents the problem of having all the trees in full leaf.


Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes to the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

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"Recliner" wrote in message
...
michael adams wrote:

wrote in message ...
On Sat, 9 May 2020 17:16:40 +0100

"michael adams" wrote:

Thanks. Although with everything closed, presumably, it would probably
be quite frustrating walking around with nowhere to go except maybe
the odd supermarket. Maybe Sainsburys on TCR or Tesco in Googe St
frinstance.

I was taking pictures of the lockdown plus having an nice walk through the
backstreets of the west end and mayfair.


What *would* be useful at any time, would be the ability to take
pictures of streets, buildings, etc. without the intrusive presence
of parked cars everywhere. Along with too much street furniture, about
which nothing can be done of course. Traffic (and pedestrians) can be
largely avoided by starting at 5.a.m. in summer time; although that
then presents the problem of having all the trees in full leaf.


Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes to the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

Thanks.

5.a.m. stillness, but in the middle of the day. And in Central London.

Plus the possibility of encountering Sophie Raworth, or Boltar, coming the other way.

Very eerie.


michael adams

....

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In message , at 22:27:39 on Sat, 9 May 2020,
michael adams remarked:

BBC's poster child on the evening news was a lady who was 8yrs old on VE day.

Don't despair.

It's only another 11 years to the 75th anniversary of Suez.

Who is going to want to commemorate our defeat by the Americans?

Well Roland for a start; if it gives him the chance of being a poster child
on the TV.

Its pretty obvious he's rather miffed at missing out on VE Day.

Where on earth do you get that idea.

Are you stating categorically that if given the chance of being a
poster child, you would in all circumstances refuse ?

I've been what you might call a bit of a poster chid a few times, but
nothing to do with being miffed at missing VE day.
--
Roland Perry

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In message , at 21:36:36 on Sat, 9 May 2020,
Recliner remarked:

Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes to the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

It's nice when you've got a well-paid part-time job and have the luxury
of being able to do that kind of thing.
--
Roland Perry

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:36:36 on Sat, 9 May 2020,
Recliner remarked:

Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes to the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

It's nice when you've got a well-paid part-time job and have the luxury
of being able to do that kind of thing.

Part-time job? She arrives at lunchtime and does the Six and Ten.

Nice empty tube
 

"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:36:36 on Sat, 9 May 2020,
Recliner remarked:

Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes to the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

It's nice when you've got a well-paid part-time job and have the luxury
of being able to do that kind of thing.

Part-time job? She arrives at lunchtime and does the Six and Ten.

There's simply no pleasing Roland.

If she went to work in a taxi, paid for by the BBC, then that would clearly
be a complete waste of licence payers, i.e. our money.

Whereas if she jogs to work, then she's clearly got too much time on her hands.

That and the fact that Roland could obviously make a far better job of reading an
autocue than Sophie Raworth ever could. If only he had the looks.


michael adams

....

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In message , at 06:38:38 on Sun, 10 May
2020, Recliner remarked:

Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes to the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

It's nice when you've got a well-paid part-time job and have the luxury
of being able to do that kind of thing.

Part-time job? She arrives at lunchtime and does the Six and Ten.

Only a few days a week. And she doesn't do the Ten O'clock every time
she's on the Six O'clock.

Not many people have a home within six miles of Oxford Circus, or can
afford the time to jog back and forth six miles anywhere. And of course
she'll have a dressing room to change from the jogging outfit into her
work clothes. I have no interest in dissecting her childcare
arrangements, but whether paid for, or having a part-time employed
husband, it's another consideration[1], noting how important in
transport survey the school-run is, chart22 he

https://assets.publishing.service.go...s/system/uploa
ds/attachment_data/file/823068/national-travel-survey-2018.pdf

It's nice work if you can get it, but hardly a role model for the vast
majority of the working public.

[1] FAOD, I've been that part-time employed husband, or organiser of a
nanny, in our household, freeing up my wife to work unsocial hours.
When she was doing an evening radio show, broadcast from studios
near Carnaby St, it was a bit of a long way to jog from Surbiton, so
she took the train. Of course the unsocial hours can be the other
end of the day, with researchers calling at 7am and wanting
broadcastable comments soon after.
--
Roland Perry

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wrote in message ...
On Sat, 9 May 2020 16:53:25 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
wrote in message
...
He's spot on.

"Itâ?Ts time to ask whether Boris Johnson is up to the job"


putting the presentation to one side, Parris appears to be arguing that
the
policy is wrong

but is there really any mainstream opinion that anything except another
three weeks of lockdown is the only sensible policy here, starting from
where we are?

Sweden.

I meant within the UK

are there any voices suggesting that, starting from where we are, there is
any workable alternative to three more weeks (with slight tinkering
perhaps)?

And stricter lockdowns in spain, italy and france have had next to
no impact on infection rate per head of population. Its pretty obvious
from
anyone who cares to engage brain that the only thing a lockdown is doing
is
sending us into an economic abyss we may not recover from for a decade or
longer and in the meantime there will be a lot of seriously unhappy
unemployed
out on the streets once lockdown is lifted.

but no-one is saying that

except you

and you're just a nobody (as am I)

tim

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"michael adams" wrote in message
...

"Recliner" wrote in message
...
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 21:36:36 on Sat, 9 May 2020,
Recliner remarked:

Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes to
the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile
route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

It's nice when you've got a well-paid part-time job and have the luxury
of being able to do that kind of thing.

Part-time job? She arrives at lunchtime and does the Six and Ten.

There's simply no pleasing Roland.

If she went to work in a taxi, paid for by the BBC, then that would
clearly
be a complete waste of licence payers, i.e. our money.

Whereas if she jogs to work, then she's clearly got too much time on her
hands.

That and the fact that Roland could obviously make a far better job of
reading an
autocue

just how hard can it be to read an autocue ;-)

tim

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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 06:38:38 on Sun, 10 May
2020, Recliner remarked:

Sophie Raworth, the newsreader, is a keen runner, and often commutes to
the
BBC that way. During the lockdown, she's been varying her six mile
route
to pass through unusually empty areas at lunchtime, and has been taking
photos:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-52155029

It's nice when you've got a well-paid part-time job and have the luxury
of being able to do that kind of thing.

Part-time job? She arrives at lunchtime and does the Six and Ten.

Only a few days a week. And she doesn't do the Ten O'clock every time
she's on the Six O'clock.

Not many people have a home within six miles of Oxford Circus, or can
afford the time to jog back and forth six miles anywhere. And of course
she'll have a dressing room to change

don't all TV presenters have facilities to get washed, changed, made up
before they go on air

regardless of how they have arrived at the studio?

Isn't it just part of the job?