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wrote in message ... If you feel like taking a trip up to central london you might be interested to know the tube is nice and empty and with a lot of closed stations - quite quick. The only downside are the childish tannoy messages for everyone to stay home like good little citizens. Whatever you do, don't mention at what time of day you made your journey(s); as that might render such information useful to someone. michael adams .... |
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"Recliner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 May 2020 10:53:14 +0000 (UTC), wrote: If you feel like taking a trip up to central london you might be interested to know the tube is nice and empty and with a lot of closed stations - quite quick. The only downside are the childish tannoy messages for everyone to stay home like good little citizens. Have they taped off any seats, as seems to have happened in foreign metros? Any police asking if your journey is strictly necessary? not when I travelled but I didn't venture into central London tim |
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On Thu, 07 May 2020 13:55:11 +0100
Recliner wrote: On Thu, 7 May 2020 10:53:14 +0000 (UTC), wrote: If you feel like taking a trip up to central london you might be interested to know the tube is nice and empty and with a lot of closed stations - quite quick. The only downside are the childish tannoy messages for everyone to stay home like good little citizens. Have they taped off any seats, as seems to have happened in foreign metros? Any police asking if your journey is strictly necessary? Nope. Plus there are barely any staff around and I didn't see the BTP once. |
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"michael adams" wrote: wrote in message ... If you feel like taking a trip up to central london you might be interested to know the tube is nice and empty and with a lot of closed stations - quite quick. The only downside are the childish tannoy messages for everyone to stay home like good little citizens. Whatever you do, don't mention at what time of day you made your journey(s); as that might render such information useful to someone. I suspect the ticket gates already have that information. |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 May 2020 15:21:51 +0100 "michael adams" wrote: wrote in message ... If you feel like taking a trip up to central london you might be interested to know the tube is nice and empty and with a lot of closed stations - quite quick. The only downside are the childish tannoy messages for everyone to stay home like good little citizens. Whatever you do, don't mention at what time of day you made your journey(s); as that might render such information useful to someone. I suspect the ticket gates already have that information. But any readers of this group, to whom your observations were originally addressed, and who might actually find such information useful, are still completely in the dark. michael adams .... |
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Have they taped off any seats, as seems to have happened in foreign metros? Any police asking if your journey is strictly necessary? I’m surprised with a good part of the country getting all nostalgic for an event that for most was really their parents and grandparents party that the posters from that era bearing that question haven’t been reprinted with figure of a solder replaced by a nurse. https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/26111 GH |
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Recliner wrote: Have they taped off any seats, as seems to have happened in foreign metros? Any police asking if your journey is strictly necessary? I’m surprised with a good part of the country getting all nostalgic for an event that for most was really their parents and grandparents party that the posters from that era bearing that question haven’t been reprinted with figure of a solder replaced by a nurse. https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/26111 Yes, a very good idea. There can't be many people left who have personal memories of VE-Day. After the care homes crisis, their number has probably halved in the last couple of months. Not a great way of celebrating them. |
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On 08/05/2020 03:01, Recliner wrote:
snip There can't be many people left who have personal memories of VE-Day. After the care homes crisis, their number has probably halved in the last couple of months. Not a great way of celebrating them. Hyperbole has it's place but I don't think that was one of them. The ONS estimated 2.4 per cent of the UK population was over 85. Even after allowing for immigration that's over 1.5 million likely to have memories of VE Day. And if you reckon 750,000 over 85s have probably died in the past couple of months.... -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On 08/05/2020 03:01, Recliner wrote: snip There can't be many people left who have personal memories of VE-Day. After the care homes crisis, their number has probably halved in the last couple of months. Not a great way of celebrating them. Hyperbole has it's place but I don't think that was one of them.* The ONS estimated* 2.4 per cent of the UK population was over 85.* Even after allowing for immigration that's over 1.5 million likely to have memories of VE Day. And if you reckon 750,000 over 85s have probably died in the past couple of months.... sigh similarly apostrophes have their place and that weren't one of them :( -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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"michael adams" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 May 2020 15:21:51 +0100 "michael adams" wrote: wrote in message ... If you feel like taking a trip up to central london you might be interested to know the tube is nice and empty and with a lot of closed stations - quite quick. The only downside are the childish tannoy messages for everyone to stay home like good little citizens. Whatever you do, don't mention at what time of day you made your journey(s); as that might render such information useful to someone. I suspect the ticket gates already have that information. But any readers of this group, to whom your observations were originally addressed, and who might actually find such information useful, are still completely in the dark. You seem to think I care about who knows I took the tube. Unlike you I'm not concerned with the BTP kicking down mhy front door and dragging me off to the nick for Breaking LockDown Rules (cue juvenile emotional blackmail public information broadcast full of sad serious looking NHS workers wagging a metaphorical finger and happy pensioners who've dodged a bullet). As I've said before, the lockdown is a joke, sweden has now proved it beyond doubt yet the spineless buffoon in Number 10 seems intent on dragging this country into an economic abyss in order to save the lives of a few pensioners who'll soon die of natural causes anyway and some tubbies who only have themselves to blame for their poor health. |
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On Thu, 7 May 2020 18:09:14 +0100 "michael adams" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 May 2020 15:21:51 +0100 "michael adams" wrote: wrote in message ... If you feel like taking a trip up to central london you might be interested to know the tube is nice and empty and with a lot of closed stations - quite quick. The only downside are the childish tannoy messages for everyone to stay home like good little citizens. Whatever you do, don't mention at what time of day you made your journey(s); as that might render such information useful to someone. I suspect the ticket gates already have that information. But any readers of this group, to whom your observations were originally addressed, and who might actually find such information useful, are still completely in the dark. You seem to think I care about who knows I took the tube. Unlike you I'm not concerned with the BTP kicking down mhy front door and dragging me off to the nick for Breaking LockDown Rules (cue juvenile emotional blackmail public information broadcast full of sad serious looking NHS workers wagging a metaphorical finger and happy pensioners who've dodged a bullet). A chap up the road did a swoop from here in Hampshire to North Wales and back in his Austin Healey 3000 to collect something he bought on ebay , when asked ( not by me) if he was worried about being stopped and fined he replied “ With petrol being so cheap at the moment the saving would have covered the £30 ticket.” I doubt he is the only person to have made a similar calculation . GH |
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Marland wrote: wrote: On Thu, 7 May 2020 18:09:14 +0100 "michael adams" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 May 2020 15:21:51 +0100 "michael adams" wrote: wrote in message ... If you feel like taking a trip up to central london you might be interested to know the tube is nice and empty and with a lot of closed stations - quite quick. The only downside are the childish tannoy messages for everyone to stay home like good little citizens. Whatever you do, don't mention at what time of day you made your journey(s); as that might render such information useful to someone. I suspect the ticket gates already have that information. But any readers of this group, to whom your observations were originally addressed, and who might actually find such information useful, are still completely in the dark. You seem to think I care about who knows I took the tube. Unlike you I'm not concerned with the BTP kicking down mhy front door and dragging me off to the nick for Breaking LockDown Rules (cue juvenile emotional blackmail public information broadcast full of sad serious looking NHS workers wagging a metaphorical finger and happy pensioners who've dodged a bullet). A chap up the road did a swoop from here in Hampshire to North Wales and back in his Austin Healey 3000 to collect something he bought on ebay , when asked ( not by me) if he was worried about being stopped and fined he replied “ With petrol being so cheap at the moment the saving would have covered the £30 ticket.” I doubt he is the only person to have made a similar calculation . Well we went for a drive to the essex coast last week and the traffic is much busier now so almost certainly not. Why they're continuing with this farcical lockdown when its been blatantly ignored for weeks now is anyones guess |
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On 08/05/2020 03:01, Recliner wrote: snip There can't be many people left who have personal memories of VE-Day. After the care homes crisis, their number has probably halved in the last couple of months. Not a great way of celebrating them. Hyperbole has it's place but I don't think that was one of them. The ONS estimated 2.4 per cent of the UK population was over 85. Even after allowing for immigration that's over 1.5 million likely to have memories of VE Day. And if you reckon 750,000 over 85s have probably died in the past couple of months.... I was thinking of older people with wartime memories, who knew what VE-Day was all about, not people who were just children at the time. |
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writes Marland wrote: Recliner wrote: Have they taped off any seats, as seems to have happened in foreign metros? Any police asking if your journey is strictly necessary? I’m surprised with a good part of the country getting all nostalgic for an event that for most was really their parents and grandparents party that the posters from that era bearing that question haven’t been reprinted with figure of a solder replaced by a nurse. https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/26111 Yes, a very good idea. There can't be many people left who have personal memories of VE-Day. After the care homes crisis, their number has probably halved in the last couple of months. Not a great way of celebrating them. Your normal ******** In the UK there are 3.2 million people aged over 80 and 1.6 million aged over 85 But then what would I expect from you -- Bryan Morris |
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In message , Recliner writes Marland wrote: Recliner wrote: Have they taped off any seats, as seems to have happened in foreign metros? Any police asking if your journey is strictly necessary? I’m surprised with a good part of the country getting all nostalgic for an event that for most was really their parents and grandparents party that the posters from that era bearing that question haven’t been reprinted with figure of a solder replaced by a nurse. https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/26111 Yes, a very good idea. There can't be many people left who have personal memories of VE-Day. After the care homes crisis, their number has probably halved in the last couple of months. Not a great way of celebrating them. Your normal ******** In the UK there are 3.2 million people aged over 80 and 1.6 million aged over 85 But then what would I expect from you As I've already said, I was thinking of people who were old enough to know what VE Day was about. That doesn't include children. |
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writes Bryan Morris wrote: In message , Recliner writes Marland wrote: Recliner wrote: Have they taped off any seats, as seems to have happened in foreign metros? Any police asking if your journey is strictly necessary? I’m surprised with a good part of the country getting all nostalgic for an event that for most was really their parents and grandparents party that the posters from that era bearing that question haven’t been reprinted with figure of a solder replaced by a nurse. https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/26111 Yes, a very good idea. There can't be many people left who have personal memories of VE-Day. After the care homes crisis, their number has probably halved in the last couple of months. Not a great way of celebrating them. Your normal ******** In the UK there are 3.2 million people aged over 80 and 1.6 million aged over 85 But then what would I expect from you As I've already said, I was thinking of people who were old enough to know what VE Day was about. That doesn't include children. That's what you say now but your main aim of course was to talk about a "care home crisis" for which , you doubt, you would like to point a finger at the current government But millions of people who were children during WW II would remember what it was all about, who lost fathers and mothers, who had members of their families in the armed forces, who remember VE day celebrations, who remember being bombed or spending nights in shelters. Who were in some cases evacuated from Continental Europe where their parents have no known graves But of course all you want to do is try to make some cheap political point. -- Bryan Morris |
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In message , Recliner writes Bryan Morris wrote: In message , Recliner writes Marland wrote: Recliner wrote: Have they taped off any seats, as seems to have happened in foreign metros? Any police asking if your journey is strictly necessary? I’m surprised with a good part of the country getting all nostalgic for an event that for most was really their parents and grandparents party that the posters from that era bearing that question haven’t been reprinted with figure of a solder replaced by a nurse. https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/26111 Yes, a very good idea. There can't be many people left who have personal memories of VE-Day. After the care homes crisis, their number has probably halved in the last couple of months. Not a great way of celebrating them. Your normal ******** In the UK there are 3.2 million people aged over 80 and 1.6 million aged over 85 But then what would I expect from you As I've already said, I was thinking of people who were old enough to know what VE Day was about. That doesn't include children. That's what you say now but your main aim of course was to talk about a "care home crisis" for which , you doubt, you would like to point a finger at the current government But millions of people who were children during WW II would remember what it was all about, who lost fathers and mothers, who had members of their families in the armed forces, who remember VE day celebrations, who remember being bombed or spending nights in shelters. Who were in some cases evacuated from Continental Europe where their parents have no known graves But of course all you want to do is try to make some cheap political point. What political point was I making? It was an entirely non-political remark. You're the one who's trying to make it political, and being thoroughly offensive in the process. I don't recall ever being impolite to you (not that you're a regular here), so what's brought this sudden attack on? |
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2020, Bryan Morris remarked: millions of people who were children during WW II would remember what it was all about, who lost fathers and mothers, who had members of their families in the armed forces, who remember VE day celebrations, who remember being bombed or spending nights in shelters. Anyone who was 12 in 1945 would be fully up to speed with the situation. So that's 87 or older. Many who were younger than that. No doubt someone can look up how many people are 87+ Who were in some cases evacuated from Continental Europe where their parents have no known graves Or Brits evacuated *to* villages around England. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , Recliner writes Bryan Morris wrote: There can't be many people left who have personal memories of VE-Day. After the care homes crisis, their number has probably halved in the last couple of months. Not a great way of celebrating them. Your normal ******** In the UK there are 3.2 million people aged over 80 and 1.6 million aged over 85 But then what would I expect from you As I've already said, I was thinking of people who were old enough to know what VE Day was about. That doesn't include children. That's what you say now but your main aim of course was to talk about a "care home crisis" for which , you doubt, you would like to point a finger at the current government But millions of people who were children during WW II would remember what it was all about, who lost fathers and mothers, who had members of their families in the armed forces, who remember VE day celebrations, who remember being bombed or spending nights in shelters. Who were in some cases evacuated from Continental Europe where their parents have no known graves Ahh the generation who just because they happened to be around in short trousers at school at some point between 1939 and 1945 makes them the equal of blokes in tanks in the desert or drowning in the North Atlantic and have spent a lifetime since spouting about how “they”won the war in the reflected glory of efforts genuinely earn’t by their parents and grandparents , not a few of them anxious to finally have a chance to stick one over on the Hun themselves voted for Brexit as if the UK was still in a shooting war with Germany and the EU was all a plot to reverse what happened in 1945. Now that’s a political point to keep you occupied for a bit. GH |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 May 2020 18:09:14 +0100 "michael adams" wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 7 May 2020 15:21:51 +0100 "michael adams" wrote: wrote in message ... If you feel like taking a trip up to central london you might be interested to know the tube is nice and empty and with a lot of closed stations - quite quick. The only downside are the childish tannoy messages for everyone to stay home like good little citizens. Whatever you do, don't mention at what time of day you made your journey(s); as that might render such information useful to someone. I suspect the ticket gates already have that information. But any readers of this group, to whom your observations were originally addressed, and who might actually find such information useful, are still completely in the dark. You seem to think I care about who knows I took the tube. Unlike you I'm not concerned with the BTP kicking down mhy front door and dragging me off to the nick for Breaking LockDown Rules (cue juvenile emotional blackmail public information broadcast full of sad serious looking NHS workers wagging a metaphorical finger and happy pensioners who've dodged a bullet). As I've said before, the lockdown is a joke, sweden has now proved it beyond doubt yet the spineless buffoon in Number 10 seems intent on dragging this country into an economic abyss in order to save the lives of a few pensioners who'll soon die of natural causes anyway and some tubbies who only have themselves to blame for their poor health. That's all very interesting I'm sure. However I was merely pointing out that whether or not the carriages were nice and empty as they were in your case, would presumably depend on the time of day your journey was made. So that without any such information, your otherwise helpful suggestion that others might care to follow your example, is of very little use I'm afraid. michael adams .... |
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writes Bryan Morris wrote: In message , Recliner writes Bryan Morris wrote: In message , Recliner writes Marland wrote: Recliner wrote: Have they taped off any seats, as seems to have happened in foreign metros? Any police asking if your journey is strictly necessary? I’m surprised with a good part of the country getting all nostalgic for an event that for most was really their parents and grandparents party that the posters from that era bearing that question haven’t been reprinted with figure of a solder replaced by a nurse. https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/26111 Yes, a very good idea. There can't be many people left who have personal memories of VE-Day. After the care homes crisis, their number has probably halved in the last couple of months. Not a great way of celebrating them. Your normal ******** In the UK there are 3.2 million people aged over 80 and 1.6 million aged over 85 But then what would I expect from you As I've already said, I was thinking of people who were old enough to know what VE Day was about. That doesn't include children. That's what you say now but your main aim of course was to talk about a "care home crisis" for which , you doubt, you would like to point a finger at the current government But millions of people who were children during WW II would remember what it was all about, who lost fathers and mothers, who had members of their families in the armed forces, who remember VE day celebrations, who remember being bombed or spending nights in shelters. Who were in some cases evacuated from Continental Europe where their parents have no known graves But of course all you want to do is try to make some cheap political point. What political point was I making? It was an entirely non-political remark. You're the one who's trying to make it political, and being thoroughly offensive in the process. I don't recall ever being impolite to you (not that you're a regular here), so what's brought this sudden attack on? I was active on Usenet in the nineties and noughties , largely on (though not exclusively) uk.*, Demon.*, alt.*, and soc.* newsgroups which were thriving. Though there were trolls and unnecessary cross posting things were generally good natured and in fact some ISPs even suspended users from posting to groups if they proved to be causing problems. Those days are long gone. I sometimes browse some groups (including this one) and found that the majority of Usenet posters are now the same ones on all. Posting often just to prove they can, cross posting (WTF has an amateur radio group got to do with politics) just because they can. I can see why the late {R} (who I think may have coined the phrase ****wit) formed ULM I popped into uk.legal recently and saw that the trolls, ****wits, crossposters were still there. Then yesterday I saw this row on uk.net.news.management. The same ****wits (tm) again, there, running the uk.* Committee, with nothing better to do than sit all day on their arses posting nonsense to Usenet. The same ****wits I see have now latched on to this sub thread. The "superior beings" who are anti anything this government does, hate Brexit, hate Tories, full of their own sense of importance. Thinking that "so what if a few oldies die, I'm young enough not to be affected by Covid-19, why should I be locked down" God knows how 75+ years ago , had Usenet been around like it is today, one could have got on with these ****wits criticising everything that the UK was doing in W.W.II So yes, Recliner, I'm ****ed off how Usenet has become and political point scoring about those cruel Tories not supporting care homes. Rant over for the moment -- Bryan Morris |
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In message , Recliner writes Bryan Morris wrote: In message , Recliner writes Bryan Morris wrote: In message , Recliner writes Marland wrote: Recliner wrote: Have they taped off any seats, as seems to have happened in foreign metros? Any police asking if your journey is strictly necessary? I’m surprised with a good part of the country getting all nostalgic for an event that for most was really their parents and grandparents party that the posters from that era bearing that question haven’t been reprinted with figure of a solder replaced by a nurse. https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/26111 Yes, a very good idea. There can't be many people left who have personal memories of VE-Day. After the care homes crisis, their number has probably halved in the last couple of months. Not a great way of celebrating them. Your normal ******** In the UK there are 3.2 million people aged over 80 and 1.6 million aged over 85 But then what would I expect from you As I've already said, I was thinking of people who were old enough to know what VE Day was about. That doesn't include children. That's what you say now but your main aim of course was to talk about a "care home crisis" for which , you doubt, you would like to point a finger at the current government But millions of people who were children during WW II would remember what it was all about, who lost fathers and mothers, who had members of their families in the armed forces, who remember VE day celebrations, who remember being bombed or spending nights in shelters. Who were in some cases evacuated from Continental Europe where their parents have no known graves But of course all you want to do is try to make some cheap political point. What political point was I making? It was an entirely non-political remark. You're the one who's trying to make it political, and being thoroughly offensive in the process. I don't recall ever being impolite to you (not that you're a regular here), so what's brought this sudden attack on? I was active on Usenet in the nineties and noughties , largely on (though not exclusively) uk.*, Demon.*, alt.*, and soc.* newsgroups which were thriving. Though there were trolls and unnecessary cross posting things were generally good natured and in fact some ISPs even suspended users from posting to groups if they proved to be causing problems. Those days are long gone. I sometimes browse some groups (including this one) and found that the majority of Usenet posters are now the same ones on all. Posting often just to prove they can, cross posting (WTF has an amateur radio group got to do with politics) just because they can. I can see why the late {R} (who I think may have coined the phrase ****wit) formed ULM I popped into uk.legal recently and saw that the trolls, ****wits, crossposters were still there. Then yesterday I saw this row on uk.net.news.management. The same ****wits (tm) again, there, running the uk.* Committee, with nothing better to do than sit all day on their arses posting nonsense to Usenet. The same ****wits I see have now latched on to this sub thread. The "superior beings" who are anti anything this government does, hate Brexit, hate Tories, full of their own sense of importance. Thinking that "so what if a few oldies die, I'm young enough not to be affected by Covid-19, why should I be locked down" God knows how 75+ years ago , had Usenet been around like it is today, one could have got on with these ****wits criticising everything that the UK was doing in W.W.II So yes, Recliner, I'm ****ed off how Usenet has become and political point scoring about those cruel Tories not supporting care homes. Rant over for the moment You seem to think it's politics to criticise government performance: some of us feel free to criticise incompetent governments of all flavours. You seem to think it's OK to be useless as long as they're all Brexiteers. But you'd be erupting in criticism if it was a Remainer government. Well, I don't agree. Like most governments, this one has got some things right, and some wrong, and it's nothing to do with ideology. I don't think Matt Hancock is a great health secretary, but most of the problems aren't his fault. There is no doubt that there's a care home crisis right now, partly because of a long-term failure to reach a political consensus on how to fund them properly. It wasn't caused by the current government, and May's attempt to do something about it was shot down by Labour. Labour didn't fix it either, and nor did the Coalition. |
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writes Bryan Morris wrote: In message , Recliner writes Bryan Morris wrote: In message , Recliner writes Bryan Morris wrote: In message , Recliner writes Marland wrote: Recliner wrote: Have they taped off any seats, as seems to have happened in foreign metros? Any police asking if your journey is strictly necessary? I’m surprised with a good part of the country getting all nostalgic for an event that for most was really their parents and grandparents party that the posters from that era bearing that question haven’t been reprinted with figure of a solder replaced by a nurse. https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/26111 Yes, a very good idea. There can't be many people left who have personal memories of VE-Day. After the care homes crisis, their number has probably halved in the last couple of months. Not a great way of celebrating them. Your normal ******** In the UK there are 3.2 million people aged over 80 and 1.6 million aged over 85 But then what would I expect from you As I've already said, I was thinking of people who were old enough to know what VE Day was about. That doesn't include children. That's what you say now but your main aim of course was to talk about a "care home crisis" for which , you doubt, you would like to point a finger at the current government But millions of people who were children during WW II would remember what it was all about, who lost fathers and mothers, who had members of their families in the armed forces, who remember VE day celebrations, who remember being bombed or spending nights in shelters. Who were in some cases evacuated from Continental Europe where their parents have no known graves But of course all you want to do is try to make some cheap political point. What political point was I making? It was an entirely non-political remark. You're the one who's trying to make it political, and being thoroughly offensive in the process. I don't recall ever being impolite to you (not that you're a regular here), so what's brought this sudden attack on? I was active on Usenet in the nineties and noughties , largely on (though not exclusively) uk.*, Demon.*, alt.*, and soc.* newsgroups which were thriving. Though there were trolls and unnecessary cross posting things were generally good natured and in fact some ISPs even suspended users from posting to groups if they proved to be causing problems. Those days are long gone. I sometimes browse some groups (including this one) and found that the majority of Usenet posters are now the same ones on all. Posting often just to prove they can, cross posting (WTF has an amateur radio group got to do with politics) just because they can. I can see why the late {R} (who I think may have coined the phrase ****wit) formed ULM I popped into uk.legal recently and saw that the trolls, ****wits, crossposters were still there. Then yesterday I saw this row on uk.net.news.management. The same ****wits (tm) again, there, running the uk.* Committee, with nothing better to do than sit all day on their arses posting nonsense to Usenet. The same ****wits I see have now latched on to this sub thread. The "superior beings" who are anti anything this government does, hate Brexit, hate Tories, full of their own sense of importance. Thinking that "so what if a few oldies die, I'm young enough not to be affected by Covid-19, why should I be locked down" God knows how 75+ years ago , had Usenet been around like it is today, one could have got on with these ****wits criticising everything that the UK was doing in W.W.II So yes, Recliner, I'm ****ed off how Usenet has become and political point scoring about those cruel Tories not supporting care homes. Rant over for the moment You seem to think it's politics to criticise government performance: some of us feel free to criticise incompetent governments of all flavours. You seem to think it's OK to be useless as long as they're all Brexiteers. But you'd be erupting in criticism if it was a Remainer government. Well, I don't agree. Like most governments, this one has got some things right, and some wrong, and it's nothing to do with ideology. I don't think Matt Hancock is a great health secretary, but most of the problems aren't his fault. There is no doubt that there's a care home crisis right now, partly because of a long-term failure to reach a political consensus on how to fund them properly. It wasn't caused by the current government, and May's attempt to do something about it was shot down by Labour. Labour didn't fix it either, and nor did the Coalition. In the eighties I was, for a time, opposition spokesman on Social Services in a loony left London Local Authority and used to spend many weekends making surprise visits to Council owned residential homes including care homes (and children in care) and then reported back to the Director of Social Services and have always felt that care workers are born, not made. There were good, there were bad, homes. Unlike Hospitals where most (though not all) are run by the NHS. Residential Care Homes are run by Local Authorities, by private individuals, by charities, by religious organisations, In my professional life I even had a client who had this large house which he decided to turn into a care home - he then moved to Devon and opened another care home there (his "day job" was as a jazz musician) yes there were rules and regulations about running homes but nearly anyone can own a care home. Almost by definition, care homes contain people who are vulnerable to diseases. People who often are even unaware of what is going on around them. Unlike Hospitals, there is no central reporting where causes of death can be centrally reported. National Governments can bring in rules and regulations but they don't control them. There is no "National Care Service" Care homes are not hospitals, they are not used to have to use PPE, they and their owners , whoever they may be, are responsible for purchasing supplies of whatever they need by way of medical equipment. It is very easy for those who wish to find fault with a government to blame them for something they, in fact, have no direct control over. -- Bryan Morris |
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Roland Perry remarked: In message , at 14:47:15 on Fri, 8 May 2020, Bryan Morris remarked: millions of people who were children during WW II would remember what it was all about, who lost fathers and mothers, who had members of their families in the armed forces, who remember VE day celebrations, who remember being bombed or spending nights in shelters. Anyone who was 12 in 1945 would be fully up to speed with the situation. So that's 87 or older. Many who were younger than that. BBC's poster child on the evening news was a lady who was 8yrs old on VE day. No doubt someone can look up how many people are 87+ Who were in some cases evacuated from Continental Europe where their parents have no known graves Or Brits evacuated *to* villages around England. -- Roland Perry |
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"Bryan Morris" wrote in message ... Care homes are not hospitals, they are not used to have to use PPE, they and their owners , whoever they may be, are responsible for purchasing supplies of whatever they need by way of medical equipment. It is very easy for those who wish to find fault with a government to blame them for something they, in fact, have no direct control over. quote Social care has risen as a share of local authority service spending - excluding education and public health - from 34% in 2009-10 to 41% in 2017-18, the IFS* found. /quote https://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news...s-social-care1 quote Alongside central government funding cuts of nearly 50% since 2010-11, local authorities are facing strong demand and cost pressures, and no reduction in their statutory obligations to provide services /quote https://www.nao.org.uk/naoblog/local...nment-in-2019/ (**) michael adams .... * Institute For Fiscal Studies ** National Audit Office |
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"michael adams" wrote: wrote in message ... You seem to think I care about who knows I took the tube. Unlike you I'm not concerned with the BTP kicking down mhy front door and dragging me off to the nick for Breaking LockDown Rules (cue juvenile emotional blackmail public information broadcast full of sad serious looking NHS workers wagging a metaphorical finger and happy pensioners who've dodged a bullet). As I've said before, the lockdown is a joke, sweden has now proved it beyond doubt yet the spineless buffoon in Number 10 seems intent on dragging this country into an economic abyss in order to save the lives of a few pensioners who'll soon die of natural causes anyway and some tubbies who only have themselves to blame for their poor health. That's all very interesting I'm sure. However I was merely pointing out that whether or not the carriages were nice and empty as they were in your case, would presumably depend on the time of day your journey was made. So that without any such information, your otherwise helpful suggestion that others might care to follow your example, is of very little use I'm afraid. I went into town about 12.30 and came back around 2.30. At one point I literally had an entire piccadilly line train to myself apart from the driver. It was quite bizarre. |
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Bryan Morris wrote: So yes, Recliner, I'm ****ed off how Usenet has become and political point scoring about those cruel Tories not supporting care homes. Rant over for the moment I think the reason for a lot of it is that politicians have become a lot like CEOs - they come out with a lot of fancy words with little to back them up and are quite happy to take the plaudits for when things go right, but when things go wrong suddenly its all someone elses fault. That gets up a lot of peoples noses. If you need an example look how Boris & Co were making a big deal about that PPE from Turkey, yet when it turned out to be faulty (how the f**k can you screw up making a simple gown?) there were lots of umms and ahhs and no one taking the blame for not ordering it to be checked before it left turkey. |
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On Fri, 8 May 2020 20:05:57 +0100 Bryan Morris wrote: So yes, Recliner, I'm ****ed off how Usenet has become and political point scoring about those cruel Tories not supporting care homes. Rant over for the moment I think the reason for a lot of it is that politicians have become a lot like CEOs - they come out with a lot of fancy words with little to back them up and are quite happy to take the plaudits for when things go right, but when things go wrong suddenly its all someone elses fault. That gets up a lot of peoples noses. If you need an example look how Boris & Co were making a big deal about that PPE from Turkey, yet when it turned out to be faulty (how the f**k can you screw up making a simple gown?) there were lots of umms and ahhs and no one taking the blame for not ordering it to be checked before it left turkey. Yes, and the testing saga in similar. We clearly were testing far too few people, not even front-line NHS staff or elderly people turned out of hospitals into care homes. So Matt Hancock rashly promises to be testing 100,000 a day by the end of April, which was a dreamed-up and, as it turns out, unachievable, target. But he changed the definition of 'testing' just before the target date, so he could claim to have met it. But it was a lie: the actual number of *tests* being conducted by then (which is itself a higher number than the number of people being tested) was actually about 80,000 per day. The actual number of *people* being tested per day is around 60-70k. That's certainly a very big improvement, but he's lost a lot of his already weak credibility by first dreaming up an impossible target, then missing it, then lying about supposedly achieving it. Why should anyone believe him the next time? |
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Recliner wrote: Yes, and the testing saga in similar. We clearly were testing far too few people, not even front-line NHS staff or elderly people turned out of hospitals into care homes. So Matt Hancock rashly promises to be testing 100,000 a day by the end of April, which was a dreamed-up and, as it turns out, unachievable, target. But he changed the definition of 'testing' just before the target date, so he could claim to have met it. But it was a lie: the actual number of *tests* being conducted by then (which is itself a higher number than the number of people being tested) was actually about 80,000 per day. The actual number of *people* being tested per day is around 60-70k. That's certainly a very big improvement, but he's lost a lot of his already weak credibility by first dreaming up an impossible target, then missing it, then lying about supposedly achieving it. Why should anyone believe him the next time? Unfortunately Boris is proving to be just as useless ineffectual procrastinator as PM as he was as London mayor. No surprise to me frankly, but he's chosen an equally useless bunch of yes-men and women as his cabinet which is just what the UK doesn't need right now. Plus with the lot of them worshipping a fraud like Ferguson (google how many duff past predictions he's made in the past on various diseases like Sars that have born little resemblance to reality) and who clearly doesn't even believe his own advice and we're royally screwed as none of them have the balls to make the harsh political choices required wrt restarting the economy. |
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writes In message , at 15:03:55 on Fri, 8 May 2020, Roland Perry remarked: In message , at 14:47:15 on Fri, 8 May 2020, Bryan Morris remarked: millions of people who were children during WW II would remember what it was all about, who lost fathers and mothers, who had members of their families in the armed forces, who remember VE day celebrations, who remember being bombed or spending nights in shelters. Anyone who was 12 in 1945 would be fully up to speed with the situation. So that's 87 or older. Many who were younger than that. BBC's poster child on the evening news was a lady who was 8yrs old on VE day. I know people in their eighties who recall crying, being scared, when at seven or eight they first saw their fathers returning from active duty and wondered who that strange man was. And a moron on here still says "reflected glory" of that generation and brings Brexit into the thread. No doubt someone can look up how many people are 87+ Who were in some cases evacuated from Continental Europe where their parents have no known graves Or Brits evacuated *to* villages around England. -- Bryan Morris |
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On Sat, 9 May 2020 09:46:48 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: Yes, and the testing saga in similar. We clearly were testing far too few people, not even front-line NHS staff or elderly people turned out of hospitals into care homes. So Matt Hancock rashly promises to be testing 100,000 a day by the end of April, which was a dreamed-up and, as it turns out, unachievable, target. But he changed the definition of 'testing' just before the target date, so he could claim to have met it. But it was a lie: the actual number of *tests* being conducted by then (which is itself a higher number than the number of people being tested) was actually about 80,000 per day. The actual number of *people* being tested per day is around 60-70k. That's certainly a very big improvement, but he's lost a lot of his already weak credibility by first dreaming up an impossible target, then missing it, then lying about supposedly achieving it. Why should anyone believe him the next time? Unfortunately Boris is proving to be just as useless ineffectual procrastinator as PM as he was as London mayor. No surprise to me frankly, but he's chosen an equally useless bunch of yes-men and women as his cabinet which is just what the UK doesn't need right now. Plus with the lot of them worshipping a fraud like Ferguson (google how many duff past predictions he's made in the past on various diseases like Sars that have born little resemblance to reality) and who clearly doesn't even believe his own advice and we're royally screwed as none of them have the balls to make the harsh political choices required wrt restarting the economy. Yes, Boris chose a real second-fifteen Cabinet, based on their loyalty to him, not their competence. And when he was off sick, he chose nonentity Raab rather than Gove (who is one of the few competent members of the cabinet) as his stand-in, just to make sure there wasn't a coup. Some, like Raab and Hancock, are simply over-promoted, but might grow into the job; others, like Patel and Williamson, shouldn't be in the Cabinet at all. He got lucky with Sunak, who's turned out to be much better than expected. So Boris will probably want to get rid of him at the first opportunity, as he doesn't want such strong competition in his team. |
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In message , Roland Perry writes In message , at 15:03:55 on Fri, 8 May 2020, Roland Perry remarked: In message , at 14:47:15 on Fri, 8 May 2020, Bryan Morris remarked: millions of people who were children during WW II would remember what it was all about, who lost fathers and mothers, who had members of their families in the armed forces, who remember VE day celebrations, who remember being bombed or spending nights in shelters. Anyone who was 12 in 1945 would be fully up to speed with the situation. So that's 87 or older. Many who were younger than that. BBC's poster child on the evening news was a lady who was 8yrs old on VE day. I know people in their eighties who recall crying, being scared, when at seven or eight they first saw their fathers returning from active duty and wondered who that strange man was. And a moron on here still says "reflected glory" of that generation and brings Brexit into the thread. *You* were the moron who brought Brexit and politics into this apoltical thread. But at least you do have the decency to describe yourself as a moron. |
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Recliner remarked: We clearly were testing far too few people, not even front-line NHS staff or elderly people turned out of hospitals into care homes. So Matt Hancock rashly promises to be testing 100,000 a day by the end of April, which was a dreamed-up and, as it turns out, unachievable, target. But he changed the definition of 'testing' just before the target date, so he could claim to have met it. But it was a lie: the actual number of *tests* being conducted by then (which is itself a higher number than the number of people being tested) was actually about 80,000 per day. The actual number of *people* being tested per day is around 60-70k. That's certainly a very big improvement, but he's lost a lot of his already weak credibility by first dreaming up an impossible target, then missing it, then lying about supposedly achieving it. Why should anyone believe him the next time? I don't think many people did believe him. Apart from anything else from the start - when he took over from Jeremy Hunt - he's been completely out of his depth. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 09:46:48 on Sat, 9 May 2020, Recliner remarked: We clearly were testing far too few people, not even front-line NHS staff or elderly people turned out of hospitals into care homes. So Matt Hancock rashly promises to be testing 100,000 a day by the end of April, which was a dreamed-up and, as it turns out, unachievable, target. But he changed the definition of 'testing' just before the target date, so he could claim to have met it. But it was a lie: the actual number of *tests* being conducted by then (which is itself a higher number than the number of people being tested) was actually about 80,000 per day. The actual number of *people* being tested per day is around 60-70k. That's certainly a very big improvement, but he's lost a lot of his already weak credibility by first dreaming up an impossible target, then missing it, then lying about supposedly achieving it. Why should anyone believe him the next time? I don't think many people did believe him. Apart from anything else from the start - when he took over from Jeremy Hunt - he's been completely out of his depth. Yes, very much so. And when the media want to interview a Tory politician who can speak sense on health issues, it's still Hunt they turn to. Hancock is one of the most obvious examples of over-promotion, though of course no-one knew at the time how he would later be tested. |
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Recliner wrote: Some, like Raab and Hancock, are simply over-promoted, but might grow into the job; others, like Patel and Williamson, shouldn't be in the Cabinet at Patel shouldn't even be an MP, never mind home secretary with her temperament and lack of ability. |
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On Sat, 9 May 2020 10:18:50 -0000 (UTC) Recliner wrote: Some, like Raab and Hancock, are simply over-promoted, but might grow into the job; others, like Patel and Williamson, shouldn't be in the Cabinet at all. Patel shouldn't even be an MP, never mind home secretary with her temperament and lack of ability. 100% agreed. |
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"Bryan Morris" wrote in message ... In message , Recliner writes Bryan Morris wrote: In message , Recliner writes Bryan Morris wrote: In message , Recliner writes Bryan Morris wrote: In message , Recliner writes Marland wrote: Recliner wrote: Have they taped off any seats, as seems to have happened in foreign metros? Any police asking if your journey is strictly necessary? I’m surprised with a good part of the country getting all nostalgic for an event that for most was really their parents and grandparents party that the posters from that era bearing that question haven’t been reprinted with figure of a solder replaced by a nurse. https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/26111 Yes, a very good idea. There can't be many people left who have personal memories of VE-Day. After the care homes crisis, their number has probably halved in the last couple of months. Not a great way of celebrating them. Your normal ******** In the UK there are 3.2 million people aged over 80 and 1.6 million aged over 85 But then what would I expect from you As I've already said, I was thinking of people who were old enough to know what VE Day was about. That doesn't include children. That's what you say now but your main aim of course was to talk about a "care home crisis" for which , you doubt, you would like to point a finger at the current government But millions of people who were children during WW II would remember what it was all about, who lost fathers and mothers, who had members of their families in the armed forces, who remember VE day celebrations, who remember being bombed or spending nights in shelters. Who were in some cases evacuated from Continental Europe where their parents have no known graves But of course all you want to do is try to make some cheap political point. What political point was I making? It was an entirely non-political remark. You're the one who's trying to make it political, and being thoroughly offensive in the process. I don't recall ever being impolite to you (not that you're a regular here), so what's brought this sudden attack on? I was active on Usenet in the nineties and noughties , largely on (though not exclusively) uk.*, Demon.*, alt.*, and soc.* newsgroups which were thriving. Though there were trolls and unnecessary cross posting things were generally good natured and in fact some ISPs even suspended users from posting to groups if they proved to be causing problems. Those days are long gone. I sometimes browse some groups (including this one) and found that the majority of Usenet posters are now the same ones on all. Posting often just to prove they can, cross posting (WTF has an amateur radio group got to do with politics) just because they can. I can see why the late {R} (who I think may have coined the phrase ****wit) formed ULM I popped into uk.legal recently and saw that the trolls, ****wits, crossposters were still there. Then yesterday I saw this row on uk.net.news.management. The same ****wits (tm) again, there, running the uk.* Committee, with nothing better to do than sit all day on their arses posting nonsense to Usenet. The same ****wits I see have now latched on to this sub thread. The "superior beings" who are anti anything this government does, hate Brexit, hate Tories, full of their own sense of importance. Thinking that "so what if a few oldies die, I'm young enough not to be affected by Covid-19, why should I be locked down" God knows how 75+ years ago , had Usenet been around like it is today, one could have got on with these ****wits criticising everything that the UK was doing in W.W.II So yes, Recliner, I'm ****ed off how Usenet has become and political point scoring about those cruel Tories not supporting care homes. Rant over for the moment You seem to think it's politics to criticise government performance: some of us feel free to criticise incompetent governments of all flavours. You seem to think it's OK to be useless as long as they're all Brexiteers. But you'd be erupting in criticism if it was a Remainer government. Well, I don't agree. Like most governments, this one has got some things right, and some wrong, and it's nothing to do with ideology. I don't think Matt Hancock is a great health secretary, but most of the problems aren't his fault. There is no doubt that there's a care home crisis right now, partly because of a long-term failure to reach a political consensus on how to fund them properly. It wasn't caused by the current government, and May's attempt to do something about it was shot down by Labour. Labour didn't fix it either, and nor did the Coalition. In the eighties I was, for a time, opposition spokesman on Social Services in a loony left London Local Authority and used to spend many weekends making surprise visits to Council owned residential homes including care homes (and children in care) and then reported back to the Director of Social Services and have always felt that care workers are born, not made. There were good, there were bad, homes. Unlike Hospitals where most (though not all) are run by the NHS. Residential Care Homes are run by Local Authorities, by private individuals, by charities, by religious organisations, In my professional life I even had a client who had this large house which he decided to turn into a care home - he then moved to Devon and opened another care home there (his "day job" was as a jazz musician) yes there were rules and regulations about running homes but nearly anyone can own a care home. Almost by definition, care homes contain people who are vulnerable to diseases. People who often are even unaware of what is going on around them. Unlike Hospitals, there is no central reporting where causes of death can be centrally reported. National Governments can bring in rules and regulations but they don't control them. There is no "National Care Service" Care homes are not hospitals, they are not used to have to use PPE, they and their owners , whoever they may be, are responsible for purchasing supplies of whatever they need by way of medical equipment. It is very easy for those who wish to find fault with a government to blame them for something they, in fact, have no direct control over. but by funding councils to less than what a commercial care home needs to charge to survive, they have sufficient indirect control over them to be culpable for the problem same argument applies to domiciliary care. They fund councils so that they can pay for time on site and then bring in a minimum wage rule that decrees that theses workers have to be paid for travelling time (quite rightly IMHO), and then expect that the councils are going to magic up the money to pay for that from nowhere tim |
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