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On 11/05/2020 16:25, Recliner wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...rds-chefs-and-
taxi-drivers-among-those-most-likely-to-die-with-covid-19-says-ons-
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I'm not surprised by the care workers, because they're less likely to have
good PPE, more likely to be on zero hours contracts (and therefore less
likely to be tested or hospitalised if they feel unwell) and, of course,
much more likely to be in contact with virus-infected patients than most
NHS staff.

But I hadn't thought of security guards being in a high risk occupation.

I'd have thought the vast majority (maybe 90%) of NHS staff would not be
working day in, day out with covid-19 patients (why? well, at the peak
there were something like 20,000 in hospital at once - a 1:1 staff ratio
giving 24/7 coverage would mean something like 100,000 staff on the
basis of a 35 hour week. That wouldn't mean 1 person looking after 1
patient, more 0.5 nurses, 0.1 consultants, 0.1 porters and so on. The
NHS has 1.3M employees or something). Therefore any variance of death
rate could be lost in the statistical noise.


Yes, that's a very good point, which helps explain the gap between the
higher reported death rates of front-line NHS staff and the overall NHS
staff death rate.


If a care home has a covid-19 case, then there's every chance (care home
residents tend to wander a lot more around the entire home, and most
covid-19 patients in hospital tend to turn up once symptomatic vs care
home residents who will be there when asymptomatic and therefore people
don't know they need to take infection control precautions) a decent
proportion of the staff could be exposed, and given 30% or something of
care homes have cases then that's far more likely to lead to
statistically relevant differences.


Yes, and furthermore, care homes employ many agency staff, who routinely
work in more than one home and therefore are at even more risk of ecposure.



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In message , at 20:57:50 on Mon, 11 May
2020, tim... remarked:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...rds-chefs-and-
taxi-drivers-among-those-most-likely-to-die-with-covid-19-says-ons-
11986382

and to solve anther conundrum

it also says that medics have the same likelihood of the disease as
normal people, even after taking account of age profiles


That statistic has been circulating for a couple of weeks now.


but without the age correlation


No, with the age correlation.

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Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 20:57:50 on Mon, 11 May
2020, tim... remarked:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...rds-chefs-and-
taxi-drivers-among-those-most-likely-to-die-with-covid-19-says-ons-
11986382

and to solve anther conundrum

it also says that medics have the same likelihood of the disease as
normal people, even after taking account of age profiles

That statistic has been circulating for a couple of weeks now.


but without the age correlation


No, with the age correlation.


Yes, indeed. Allowing for all the demographic adjustments, NHS staff as a
whole are not succumbing at an unduly high rate, though care home staff
are. What I've not seen analysed is how ICU and other front-line NHS staff
in Covid-19 wards are faring.

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On Mon, 11 May 2020 19:05:21 +0000 (UTC), "David Jones"
wrote:

Recliner wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 15:25:12 on Mon, 11 May
2020, Recliner remarked:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ards-chefs-and
-
taxi-drivers-among-those-most-likely-to-die-with-covid-19-says-ons-
11986382 I'm not surprised by the care workers, because

they're less likely to have good PPE, more likely to be on zero
hours contracts (and therefore less likely to be tested or
hospitalised if they feel unwell) and, of course, much more likely
to be in contact with virus-infected patients than most NHS staff.

But I hadn't thought of security guards being in a high risk

occupation.

That's just because of being in contact with lots of different
people I think. When I went shopping last week it occurred to me
that the chap I most needed to avoid was the one at the door
enforcing the "one out, one in" policy". He wasn't social
distancing, and had said exchanged a few words with every entering
and departing customer.


Yes, that's probably it. At Waitrose, I've seen security staff wearing
gloves, masks and face shields, which seems wise. Other supermarkets'
staff seem to be less well protected.


But certainly not every Waitrose ... no gloves, masks or face shields
at Waitrose near me.


I think it's optional: some staff choose to wear it, some don't. But
I'd expect all Waitrose branches to be supplied with them.


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