On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 17:08:27 +0100
"Clive D.W. Feather" wrote:
In article , writes
Frankly I'm surprised retailers haven't just
given the goverment the finger and just ignore it since if I owned a business
that was on the verge of going bust if I didn't then whats to lose.

All your money. Not the company's - yours. All officers of the business

If you're a one person trader , eg a small barber , then essentially your
money is the companies.

are subject to an unlimited fine.

I'd still risk it. Unlimited fines are meaningless if you only have a small
amount of savings and debt collectors can't take your house and make you
homeless by law.

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On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 17:08:27 +0100
"Clive D.W. Feather" wrote:
In article , writes
Frankly I'm surprised retailers haven't just
given the goverment the finger and just ignore it since if I owned a
business
that was on the verge of going bust if I didn't then whats to lose.

All your money. Not the company's - yours. All officers of the business

If you're a one person trader , eg a small barber , then essentially your
money is the companies.

are subject to an unlimited fine.

I'd still risk it. Unlimited fines are meaningless if you only have a
small
amount of savings and debt collectors can't take your house and make you
homeless by law.

but they can (subject to following the correct legal process)

HTH

tim

On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 10:53:11 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 17:08:27 +0100
"Clive D.W. Feather" wrote:
In article , writes
Frankly I'm surprised retailers haven't just
given the goverment the finger and just ignore it since if I owned a
business
that was on the verge of going bust if I didn't then whats to lose.

All your money. Not the company's - yours. All officers of the business

If you're a one person trader , eg a small barber , then essentially your
money is the companies.

are subject to an unlimited fine.

I'd still risk it. Unlimited fines are meaningless if you only have a
small
amount of savings and debt collectors can't take your house and make you
homeless by law.

but they can (subject to following the correct legal process)

I remember a famous case in the UK that was captured on TV when a local
counciller and debt collectors tried to do just that. The homeowner shot him
dead. Was in the 70s or 80s IIRC.

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On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 10:53:11 +0100
"tim..." wrote:
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 17:08:27 +0100
"Clive D.W. Feather" wrote:
In article , writes
Frankly I'm surprised retailers haven't just
given the goverment the finger and just ignore it since if I owned a
business
that was on the verge of going bust if I didn't then whats to lose.

All your money. Not the company's - yours. All officers of the business

If you're a one person trader , eg a small barber , then essentially
your
money is the companies.

are subject to an unlimited fine.

I'd still risk it. Unlimited fines are meaningless if you only have a
small
amount of savings and debt collectors can't take your house and make
you
homeless by law.

but they can (subject to following the correct legal process)

I remember a famous case in the UK that was captured on TV when a local
counciller and debt collectors tried to do just that. The homeowner shot
him
dead. Was in the 70s or 80s IIRC.

bad cases make poor laws

tim

In message , at 11:51:17 on Thu, 4 Jun 2020,
tim... remarked:

bad cases make poor laws

The meme is: *hard* cases make bad law,.
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Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:51:17 on Thu, 4 Jun 2020,
tim... remarked:

bad cases make poor laws

The meme is: *hard* cases make bad law,.

Yeah, the Poor Laws were something else.

Sam

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In article , writes
All your money. Not the company's - yours. All officers of the business
are subject to an unlimited fine.

I'd still risk it. Unlimited fines are meaningless if you only have a small
amount of savings and debt collectors can't take your house and make you
homeless by law.

I'm not talking about debt collectors, I'm talking about a court.

I don't know what powers they have to take your money, but I suspect
it's somewhat higher than someone collecting on behalf of your landlord.

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Clive D.W. Feather

On 05/06/2020 20:22, Clive D.W. Feather wrote:
In article , writes
All your money. Not the company's - yours. All officers of the business
are subject to an unlimited fine.

I'd still risk it. Unlimited fines are meaningless if you only have a small
amount of savings and debt collectors can't take your house and make you
homeless by law.

I'm not talking about debt collectors, I'm talking about a court.

I don't know what powers they have to take your money, but I suspect
it's somewhat higher than someone collecting on behalf of your landlord.


You seem never to watch "Can't pay, they'll take it away" which follows
High Court sheriffs enforcing court orders. Note these are often County
Court orders which have been escalated as sheriffs have greater powers
than bailiffs.

They cannot take your house if you are the owner / mortgage holder but
they can take almost everything else worth money. There are limits, no
beds, cookers etc to allow you to live, but computers, TVs, cars are all
fair game.

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Colin

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On 05/06/2020 20:22, Clive D.W. Feather wrote:
In article , writes
All your money. Not the company's - yours. All officers of the business
are subject to an unlimited fine.

I'd still risk it. Unlimited fines are meaningless if you only have a
small
amount of savings and debt collectors can't take your house and make
you
homeless by law.

I'm not talking about debt collectors, I'm talking about a court.

I don't know what powers they have to take your money, but I suspect
it's somewhat higher than someone collecting on behalf of your landlord.


You seem never to watch "Can't pay, they'll take it away" which follows
High Court sheriffs enforcing court orders. Note these are often County
Court orders which have been escalated as sheriffs have greater powers
than bailiffs.

They cannot take your house if you are the owner / mortgage holder but
they can take almost everything else worth money. There are limits, no
beds, cookers etc to allow you to live, but computers, TVs, cars are all
fair game.

Just because bailiffs (under any name) cannot take your house just by
knocking on your door with a court warrant

doesn't mean that there isn't a process for a creditor to apply for a court
order to take it, to satisfy the debt

HTH

tim





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Colin

In article , ColinR
..co.uk writes
I'm not talking about debt collectors, I'm talking about a court.

I don't know what powers they have to take your money, but I suspect
it's somewhat higher than someone collecting on behalf of your landlord.


You seem never to watch "Can't pay, they'll take it away" which follows
High Court sheriffs enforcing court orders. Note these are often County
Court orders which have been escalated as sheriffs have greater powers
than bailiffs.

They cannot take your house if you are the owner / mortgage holder but
they can take almost everything else worth money. There are limits, no
beds, cookers etc to allow you to live, but computers, TVs, cars are all
fair game.

Oh, I've seen it. But they're enforcing a civil debt. I'm talking about
enforcing a criminal penalty. Different situation and, for all I know,
different laws apply.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/de...-debt/dealing-
with-urgent-debts/paying-a-court-fine/

"In extreme cases you could be put in prison, but normally only if the
court thinks you’re deliberately not paying."

That doesn't answer whether they can take your house, but I can't be
bothered to research further.

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Clive D.W. Feather