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In message , at 15:30:37 on Fri, 5 Jun 2020,
tim... remarked:

National Concession Cards not having an "attached" wallet (if indeed
they are even contactless)


Of course they are (ITSO).
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On 05/06/2020 11:04, Ross Kavanagh wrote:

But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass after 11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also applies to any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is not valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's Saturday with no time restrictions).

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On 05/06/2020 18:16, Clive Page wrote:
On 05/06/2020 11:04, Ross Kavanagh wrote:

But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass after
11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also applies
to any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.


It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is not
valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's Saturday
with no time restrictions).


....whilst presumably you have to be home by midnight on a Sunday? I
wonder whether the "day" used by the checking driver or machine really
changes at 24:00 or at end of service/transition to night buses.
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MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 05/06/2020 10:47, Marland wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public transport
from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.


As they want as small a number of travellers as practical so that people
who have to make a journey
can have a better opportunity to maintain the 2m distance rule then the
loss of people like you who object to any further restrictions will just be
a welcome side benefit.


No passengers = no revenue. How many businesses can stand that for long..?



Most public transport in this country needs external financial support
anyway,
at the moment when you take a journey up in Aberdeen it is highly likely
that your ticket isn’t covering the costs, even more so if you are using
one of the concessionary schemes for older people .
So if people like you decide not to travel it will be more economic and
better for revenue not to run
buses or trains to cater for you at all. No casual passengers, No Need
for subsidy , No Service Needed. Trains and buses become the preserve of
those who have to use them daily for work
and are reserved for use by holders of season rickets or some form thereof
who are allocated a service and have to stick to it.

Okay that is only a what could happen but in the scheme of things whether
you decide to travel or not because of new restrictions such as wearing a
face covering the loss of your subsidised fare isn’t going to have much
bearing on the situation.

GH


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"Marland" wrote in message
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MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 05/06/2020 10:47, Marland wrote:
MissRiaElaine wrote:
On 04/06/2020 17:42, wrote:

I also just heard that masks will be mandatory on all public transport
from 15 June.

Where..? Just London or nationwide..?

If they try it here that's our custom they'll lose.


As they want as small a number of travellers as practical so that people
who have to make a journey
can have a better opportunity to maintain the 2m distance rule then the
loss of people like you who object to any further restrictions will just
be
a welcome side benefit.


No passengers = no revenue. How many businesses can stand that for
long..?



Most public transport in this country needs external financial support
anyway,
at the moment when you take a journey up in Aberdeen it is highly likely
that your ticket isn’t covering the costs, even more so if you are using
one of the concessionary schemes for older people .
So if people like you decide not to travel it will be more economic and
better for revenue not to run
buses or trains to cater for you at all. No casual passengers, No Need
for subsidy , No Service Needed. Trains and buses become the preserve of
those who have to use them daily for work
and are reserved for use by holders of season rickets


It's not right to conflated workers with season ticket holders

many workers (who use PT to get to work) don't buy season tickets



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"Clive Page" wrote in message
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On 05/06/2020 11:04, Ross Kavanagh wrote:

But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass after
11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also applies to
any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is not
valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's Saturday
with no time restrictions).


I suspect that the "all day" rule is just intended to remove the morning
restriction

it's not mean to remove the 11pm restriction

In many areas that point is moot as there are no busses at that time, and
those that are available are more heavily subsidised, hence the "oldies have
to pay" rule

tim



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In message , at 09:17:55 on Sat, 6 Jun 2020,
tim... remarked:
But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass
after 11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also
applies to any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is
not valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's
Saturday with no time restrictions).


I suspect that the "all day" rule is just intended to remove the
morning restriction

it's not mean to remove the 11pm restriction

In many areas that point is moot as there are no busses at that time,
and those that are available are more heavily subsidised, hence the
"oldies have to pay" rule


There are even some operators who exclude "night buses" from fully paid
ticket holders (be those all-day, or longer seasons). Requiring
additional one-off payment.
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tim... wrote:


"Marland" wrote in message


Most public transport in this country needs external financial support
anyway,
at the moment when you take a journey up in Aberdeen it is highly likely
that your ticket isn’t covering the costs, even more so if you are using
one of the concessionary schemes for older people .
So if people like you decide not to travel it will be more economic and
better for revenue not to run
buses or trains to cater for you at all. No casual passengers, No Need
for subsidy , No Service Needed. Trains and buses become the preserve of
those who have to use them daily for work
and are reserved for use by holders of season rickets


It's not right to conflated workers with season ticket holders

many workers (who use PT to get to work) don't buy season tickets





Which was the reason for the words tacked on the end

“or some form thereof” which you have snipped.

Regular travellers that are used to turn up an go may have to adapt their
habits should space allocation schemes be introduced, what the tickets
would be called I have no idea hence the
some form thereof. It could be just an electronic reservation system but
any thing like that will have to be controlled to make sure those who book
actually make use of it and are not booking just in case and then not
turning up leaving empty space that others could have used.
Personally I can see this will be an opportunity for the train operators to
severely restrict the availability of walk up and go tickets for long
distance services even after the plaque has passed*
but for commuter traffic moving from the situation where even when trains
packed like sardines were not enough to satisfy demand moving to a scenario
where people have to be spaced apart will be such a change as to be
unworkable.

* passing could be it just gets accepted that some people will get it and
some will die.


GH



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Marland wrote:
tim... wrote:


"Marland" wrote in message


Most public transport in this country needs external financial support
anyway,
at the moment when you take a journey up in Aberdeen it is highly likely
that your ticket isn’t covering the costs, even more so if you are using
one of the concessionary schemes for older people .
So if people like you decide not to travel it will be more economic and
better for revenue not to run
buses or trains to cater for you at all. No casual passengers, No Need
for subsidy , No Service Needed. Trains and buses become the preserve of
those who have to use them daily for work
and are reserved for use by holders of season rickets


It's not right to conflated workers with season ticket holders

many workers (who use PT to get to work) don't buy season tickets





Which was the reason for the words tacked on the end

“or some form thereof” which you have snipped.

Regular travellers that are used to turn up an go may have to adapt their
habits should space allocation schemes be introduced, what the tickets
would be called I have no idea hence the
some form thereof. It could be just an electronic reservation system but
any thing like that will have to be controlled to make sure those who book
actually make use of it and are not booking just in case and then not
turning up leaving empty space that others could have used.
Personally I can see this will be an opportunity for the train operators to
severely restrict the availability of walk up and go tickets for long
distance services even after the plaque has passed*
but for commuter traffic moving from the situation where even when trains
packed like sardines were not enough to satisfy demand moving to a scenario
where people have to be spaced apart will be such a change as to be
unworkable.

* passing could be it just gets accepted that some people will get it and
some will die.


There was a recent interesting article by (Lord) Matt Ridley in the
Spectator on how previous pandemics have passed. He makes the point that
there have been many pandemics in history, and vaccines are seldom found
(or, at least, not quickly enough to stop them). It's very rarely possible
to completely eliminate a virus, but all pandemics end within a year or
two, with or without scientific intervention (which wasn't possible till
very recently).

One reason is that evolutionary pressures makes the virus less lethal.
After all, for the virus to survive and thrive, its hosts also needs to
stay well enough to mix with other potential hosts. If a lethal strain of
the virus immediately makes infected hosts ill, and kills many of them, the
virus can't spread. Conversely, if it mutates to cause minimal symptoms, it
will spread widely. So, benign mutations are more successful than lethal
ones.


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