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On 06/06/2020 10:18, Recliner wrote:
One reason is that evolutionary pressures makes the virus less lethal.
After all, for the virus to survive and thrive, its hosts also needs to
stay well enough to mix with other potential hosts. If a lethal strain of
the virus immediately makes infected hosts ill, and kills many of them, the
virus can't spread. Conversely, if it mutates to cause minimal symptoms, it
will spread widely. So, benign mutations are more successful than lethal
ones.


If we're really lucky, hosts of the benign variant may develop immunity
to the original versions, providing us with a free vaccine.

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On 06/06/2020 09:29, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:17:55 on Sat, 6 Jun 2020,
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But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass
afterÂ* 11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also
applies toÂ* any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is
notÂ* valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's
SaturdayÂ* with no time restrictions).


I suspect that the "all day" rule is just intended to remove the
morning restriction

it's not mean to remove the 11pm restriction

In many areas that point is moot as there are no busses at that time,
and those that are available are more heavily subsidised, hence the
"oldies have to pay" rule


There are even some operators who exclude "night buses" from fully paid
ticket holders (be those all-day, or longer seasons). Requiring
additional one-off payment.


I think it's normal to exclude night buses from one-day tickets. (The
clue is in their name.) For longer seasons, it varies. Edinburgh's
changed a few years ago to include night travel, after a period when
season tickets gave a discount on a one-night ticket.

Edinburgh also has a hybrid ticket, valid one evening and night from 6pm
until about 4:30 am, though night buses are currently suspended.
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In message , at 10:42:25 on Sat, 6 Jun 2020,
Certes remarked:
On 06/06/2020 09:29, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:17:55 on Sat, 6 Jun
2020, tim... remarked:
But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass
after* 11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction
also applies to* any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass
is not* valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course
it's Saturday* with no time restrictions).

I suspect that the "all day" rule is just intended to remove the
morning restriction

it's not mean to remove the 11pm restriction

In many areas that point is moot as there are no busses at that
time, and those that are available are more heavily subsidised,
hence the "oldies have to pay" rule

There are even some operators who exclude "night buses" from fully
paid ticket holders (be those all-day, or longer seasons). Requiring
additional one-off payment.


I think it's normal to exclude night buses from one-day tickets. (The
clue is in their name.)


Public transport day-tickets are usually 4am-4am.

For longer seasons, it varies. Edinburgh's
changed a few years ago to include night travel, after a period when
season tickets gave a discount on a one-night ticket.

Edinburgh also has a hybrid ticket, valid one evening and night from 6pm
until about 4:30 am, though night buses are currently suspended.


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Certes wrote:
On 06/06/2020 10:18, Recliner wrote:
One reason is that evolutionary pressures makes the virus less lethal.
After all, for the virus to survive and thrive, its hosts also needs to
stay well enough to mix with other potential hosts. If a lethal strain of
the virus immediately makes infected hosts ill, and kills many of them, the
virus can't spread. Conversely, if it mutates to cause minimal symptoms, it
will spread widely. So, benign mutations are more successful than lethal
ones.


If we're really lucky, hosts of the benign variant may develop immunity
to the original versions, providing us with a free vaccine.


Yes, that may be part of why pandemics are short-lived. If the benign
version spreads widely, as it's evolved to do, it could mean that the whole
population develops some level of immunity to its nastier cousins.

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On 06/06/2020 09:29, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:17:55 on Sat, 6 Jun 2020,
tim... remarked:
But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass after
11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also applies
to any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is
not valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's
Saturday with no time restrictions).

I suspect that the "all day" rule is just intended to remove the morning
restriction

it's not mean to remove the 11pm restriction

In many areas that point is moot as there are no busses at that time,
and those that are available are more heavily subsidised, hence the
"oldies have to pay" rule


There are even some operators who exclude "night buses" from fully paid
ticket holders (be those all-day, or longer seasons). Requiring
additional one-off payment.


I think it's normal to exclude night buses from one-day tickets. (The
clue is in their name.) For longer seasons, it varies. Edinburgh's
changed a few years ago to include night travel, after a period when
season tickets gave a discount on a one-night ticket.

Edinburgh also has a hybrid ticket, valid one evening and night from 6pm
until about 4:30 am, though night buses are currently suspended.


When I was using them around 20yrs ago, Norwich quarterly passes required a
50p single supplement on a night service

James



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On 06/06/2020 11:11, Roland Perry wrote:

Public transport day-tickets are usually 4am-4am.


Are they? One of the first things I look for when buying them is what
they a I've seen until last service, 00:00-24:00, 24 h from purchase,
24 h from first use (handy when staying somewhere overnight), until
midnight, sometime after the morning peak until last service, and
horrendously complicated.


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Certes wrote:
On 06/06/2020 10:18, Recliner wrote:
One reason is that evolutionary pressures makes the virus less lethal.
After all, for the virus to survive and thrive, its hosts also needs to
stay well enough to mix with other potential hosts. If a lethal strain of
the virus immediately makes infected hosts ill, and kills many of them, the
virus can't spread. Conversely, if it mutates to cause minimal symptoms, it
will spread widely. So, benign mutations are more successful than lethal
ones.


If we're really lucky, hosts of the benign variant may develop immunity
to the original versions, providing us with a free vaccine.


Incidentally, here's the original article:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-key-to-covid-be-found-in-the-russian-pandemic

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Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 06/06/2020 11:11, Roland Perry wrote:

Public transport day-tickets are usually 4am-4am.


Are they? One of the first things I look for when buying them is what
they a I've seen until last service, 00:00-24:00, 24 h from purchase,
24 h from first use (handy when staying somewhere overnight), until
midnight, sometime after the morning peak until last service, and
horrendously complicated.


The last time I used one, several years ago, the Nice bus day ticket was 24
hours from Tul... er, purchase.

Sam

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On 06/06/2020 12:02, Recliner wrote:
Certes wrote:
On 06/06/2020 10:18, Recliner wrote:
One reason is that evolutionary pressures makes the virus less lethal.
After all, for the virus to survive and thrive, its hosts also needs to
stay well enough to mix with other potential hosts. If a lethal strain of
the virus immediately makes infected hosts ill, and kills many of them, the
virus can't spread. Conversely, if it mutates to cause minimal symptoms, it
will spread widely. So, benign mutations are more successful than lethal
ones.


If we're really lucky, hosts of the benign variant may develop immunity
to the original versions, providing us with a free vaccine.


Incidentally, here's the original article:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-the-key-to-covid-be-found-in-the-russian-pandemic


Interesting theory.

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Recliner wrote:
Marland wrote:
tim... wrote:


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Most public transport in this country needs external financial support
anyway,
at the moment when you take a journey up in Aberdeen it is highly likely
that your ticket isn’t covering the costs, even more so if you are using
one of the concessionary schemes for older people .
So if people like you decide not to travel it will be more economic and
better for revenue not to run
buses or trains to cater for you at all. No casual passengers, No Need
for subsidy , No Service Needed. Trains and buses become the preserve of
those who have to use them daily for work
and are reserved for use by holders of season rickets

It's not right to conflated workers with season ticket holders

many workers (who use PT to get to work) don't buy season tickets





Which was the reason for the words tacked on the end

“or some form thereof” which you have snipped.

Regular travellers that are used to turn up an go may have to adapt their
habits should space allocation schemes be introduced, what the tickets
would be called I have no idea hence the
some form thereof. It could be just an electronic reservation system but
any thing like that will have to be controlled to make sure those who book
actually make use of it and are not booking just in case and then not
turning up leaving empty space that others could have used.
Personally I can see this will be an opportunity for the train operators to
severely restrict the availability of walk up and go tickets for long
distance services even after the plaque has passed*
but for commuter traffic moving from the situation where even when trains
packed like sardines were not enough to satisfy demand moving to a scenario
where people have to be spaced apart will be such a change as to be
unworkable.

* passing could be it just gets accepted that some people will get it and
some will die.


There was a recent interesting article by (Lord) Matt Ridley in the
Spectator on how previous pandemics have passed. He makes the point that
there have been many pandemics in history, and vaccines are seldom found
(or, at least, not quickly enough to stop them). It's very rarely possible
to completely eliminate a virus, but all pandemics end within a year or
two, with or without scientific intervention (which wasn't possible till
very recently).

One reason is that evolutionary pressures makes the virus less lethal.
After all, for the virus to survive and thrive, its hosts also needs to
stay well enough to mix with other potential hosts. If a lethal strain of
the virus immediately makes infected hosts ill, and kills many of them, the
virus can't spread. Conversely, if it mutates to cause minimal symptoms, it
will spread widely. So, benign mutations are more successful than lethal
ones.


That’s one reason why this virus has been so successful (from the point of
view of the virus) compared with SARS and MERS. Lots of people don’t get
very ill, and it is spread by pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic sufferers.
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