On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 10:58:48 +0100
Bryan Morris wrote:
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On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 23:48:23 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
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Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill.
All
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons
in
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.

It's over 40 years since, as a Haringey Councillor and member of the
Alexander Palace and park committee I proposed a unique light railway,
part at ground level, part suspended on the old line. Funded by the,
then, EEC and running from Highgate high level station

I'm not convinced a light railway/tram with all the extra expense of maintaining
specialised rolling stock and its own depot would be cheaper than just laying a
couple of extra miles of track out from highgate depot, but either way the area
needs a rail link as during (normal) rush hours its just gridlock around there.

A feasibility study was turned down by those who said it would ruin the
Parkland Walk

There's always a few nimbies.

In message , writes
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 10:58:48 +0100
Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , writes
On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 23:48:23 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/herit...bridge-could-b
e-demoli
shed-1-6733534

Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill.
All
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons
in
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.

It's over 40 years since, as a Haringey Councillor and member of the
Alexander Palace and park committee I proposed a unique light railway,
part at ground level, part suspended on the old line. Funded by the,
then, EEC and running from Highgate high level station

I'm not convinced a light railway/tram with all the extra expense of
maintaining
specialised rolling stock and its own depot would be cheaper than just laying a
couple of extra miles of track out from highgate depot, but either way the area
needs a rail link as during (normal) rush hours its just gridlock around there.

As I said, at the time, it would have been fully funded by the EEC. The
stock would have been driverless and could run if required 24/7 . It was
capable to be set up by demand, from one carriage to multi. It could be
run on rails or be suspended.

I arranged for a working model to be displayed to show the
possibilities.

My concern at the time, when Alexandra Palace was being rebuilt, (it had
largely been destroyed in a fire in the 1960s when it was run by the
GLC) was lack of mass public transport there with all the things that
were planned.Plus access to the tube at Highgate from places like
Muswell Hill and Crouch End



A feasibility study was turned down by those who said it would ruin the
Parkland Walk

There's always a few nimbies.

All very well saying "just laying a
couple of extra miles of track out from Highgate depot" like the
proposed widening of Archway Road at the same time, with nimbie
demonstrations at public inquiry after public enquiry there were more
than a few nimbies, and they could be aggressive.
--
Bryan Morris

Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , writes
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 10:58:48 +0100
Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , writes
On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 23:48:23 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/herit...bridge-could-b
e-demoli
shed-1-6733534

Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill.
All
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons
in
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.

It's over 40 years since, as a Haringey Councillor and member of the
Alexander Palace and park committee I proposed a unique light railway,
part at ground level, part suspended on the old line. Funded by the,
then, EEC and running from Highgate high level station

I'm not convinced a light railway/tram with all the extra expense of
maintaining
specialised rolling stock and its own depot would be cheaper than just laying a
couple of extra miles of track out from highgate depot, but either way the area
needs a rail link as during (normal) rush hours its just gridlock around there.

As I said, at the time, it would have been fully funded by the EEC. The
stock would have been driverless and could run if required 24/7 . It was
capable to be set up by demand, from one carriage to multi. It could be
run on rails or be suspended.

I arranged for a working model to be displayed to show the
possibilities.

My concern at the time, when Alexandra Palace was being rebuilt, (it had
largely been destroyed in a fire in the 1960s when it was run by the
GLC)

Which fire was that?

I know of the large one in 1980 because the Great British Beer Festival was
held there and despite the fire went ahead in marquees in the grounds .
The photo of the Palace burning at night made a good cover for the
programme which I still have, nowadays there would probably screams of
indignation at such a photo being used in that manner.

The building at the time was no longer owned by the GLC but Haringey the
council you were a member of so trying to blame the GLC is either political
point scoring or just poor memory.

Your idea no doubt made with the best of intentions sounds out of the same
mould as the monorails that by now should have been running for a couple of
decades now around Southampton and Portsmouth. These ideas never seem to
get beyond the artist impression in the local rag *
as when looked at from a practical point of view they become anything but.

The design you mention sounds like an adapted alpine ski lift.

GH

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Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , writes
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 10:58:48 +0100
Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , writes
On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 23:48:23 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/herit...bridge-could-b
e-demoli
shed-1-6733534

Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to
muswell hill.
All
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings
and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would
cost buttons
in
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure
a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would
be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.

It's over 40 years since, as a Haringey Councillor and member of the
Alexander Palace and park committee I proposed a unique light railway,
part at ground level, part suspended on the old line. Funded by the,
then, EEC and running from Highgate high level station

I'm not convinced a light railway/tram with all the extra expense of
maintaining
specialised rolling stock and its own depot would be cheaper than
just laying a
couple of extra miles of track out from highgate depot, but either
way the area
needs a rail link as during (normal) rush hours its just gridlock
around there.

As I said, at the time, it would have been fully funded by the EEC. The
stock would have been driverless and could run if required 24/7 . It was
capable to be set up by demand, from one carriage to multi. It could be
run on rails or be suspended.

I arranged for a working model to be displayed to show the
possibilities.

My concern at the time, when Alexandra Palace was being rebuilt, (it had
largely been destroyed in a fire in the 1960s when it was run by the
GLC)

Which fire was that?

I know of the large one in 1980 because the Great British Beer Festival was
held there and despite the fire went ahead in marquees in the grounds .
The photo of the Palace burning at night made a good cover for the
programme which I still have, nowadays there would probably screams of
indignation at such a photo being used in that manner.

The building at the time was no longer owned by the GLC but Haringey the
council you were a member of so trying to blame the GLC is either political
point scoring or just poor memory.

Not political point scoring. Was just explaining, to those not aware,
that Haringey took over the trusteeship of Alexandra Palace from the
GLC in 1980 and then later in 1980 following the major fire (yes the
1960's was much smaller) and Haringey made these grandiose rebuilding
plans (and overspent by £30million said by the attorney-general in 1991
to be illegal). It was supposed to be financed by the £8m dowry from
the GLC and £42m insurance claim

My concern at the time was with these plans, (which at the time included
a hotel) that there was no adequate public transport. Hence my post.

Your idea no doubt made with the best of intentions sounds out of the same
mould as the monorails that by now should have been running for a couple of
decades now around Southampton and Portsmouth. These ideas never seem to
get beyond the artist impression in the local rag *
as when looked at from a practical point of view they become anything but.

The design you mention sounds like an adapted alpine ski lift.

GH

I suppose it was, but a feasibility study was rejected by a majority by
the committee for other reasons.
--
Bryan Morris

On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 17:46:41 +0100
Bryan Morris wrote:
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There's always a few nimbies.

All very well saying "just laying a
couple of extra miles of track out from Highgate depot" like the
proposed widening of Archway Road at the same time, with nimbie
demonstrations at public inquiry after public enquiry there were more
than a few nimbies, and they could be aggressive.

To be fair , if you go into politics you have to be prepared to deal with
these sorts of people.

Boltar is right. Muswell Hill will generate far more than
a few hundred passengers a day. Like Roehampton and
Collier Row, it is a substantial suburban areas with no rail
service at all. Residents have to travel first to Highgate,
Crouch Hill or Finsbury Park to catch a train. A local railway
station would be very welcome to denizens of Muswell Hill.

wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 10:58:48 +0100
Bryan Morris wrote:
In message , writes
On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 23:48:23 +0100
Basil Jet wrote:
https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/herit...bridge-could-b
e-demoli
shed-1-6733534

Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill.
All
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons
in
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.

It's over 40 years since, as a Haringey Councillor and member of the
Alexander Palace and park committee I proposed a unique light railway,
part at ground level, part suspended on the old line. Funded by the,
then, EEC and running from Highgate high level station

I'm not convinced a light railway/tram with all the extra expense of maintaining
specialised rolling stock and its own depot would be cheaper than just laying a
couple of extra miles of track out from highgate depot, but either way the area
needs a rail link as during (normal) rush hours its just gridlock around there.


Are the people in the motor vehicles all going to the same place as the
train would take them?


Anna Noyd-Dryver

On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 07:12:51 -0000 (UTC)
Anna Noyd-Dryver wrote:
wrote:
I'm not convinced a light railway/tram with all the extra expense of
maintaining
specialised rolling stock and its own depot would be cheaper than just
laying a
couple of extra miles of track out from highgate depot, but either way the
area
needs a rail link as during (normal) rush hours its just gridlock around
there.


Are the people in the motor vehicles all going to the same place as the
train would take them?

Don't know tbh, but there are a lot of buses that go to tube and railway
stations nearby and given its a london suburb you can bet a lot of people
work in town. Or did before covid.