In message , at 10:36:03 on Sat, 17 Oct
2020, tim... remarked:

"As part of temporary changes to the Congestion Charge, the
residents' discount is closed to new applicants"

...to discourage car ownership in the CC zone. I suggest they'd
never get away with that within the N/S circulars. Apart from
anything else a lot of Assembly Members (and MPs) would be clobbered.

but it's potentially being imposed upon these people by national government

the opposition parties looking for re-election locally can argue that
they have clean hands

Which will be difficult when the mayor responsible for agreeing to the
charge is from their party.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:36:03 on Sat, 17 Oct
2020, tim... remarked:

"As part of temporary changes to the Congestion Charge, the
residents' discount is closed to new applicants"

...to discourage car ownership in the CC zone. I suggest they'd
never get away with that within the N/S circulars. Apart from
anything else a lot of Assembly Members (and MPs) would be clobbered.

but it's potentially being imposed upon these people by national government

the opposition parties looking for re-election locally can argue that
they have clean hands

Which will be difficult when the mayor responsible for agreeing to the
charge is from their party.

Shaun Bailey isn't mayor, and in any case, hasn't agreed to it. Sadiq Khan
certainly hasn't agreed to it. It's possible that all the TfL services
(apart from the Woolwich ferry) will close within days.

In message , at 14:52:18 on Sat, 17 Oct
2020, Recliner remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:36:03 on Sat, 17 Oct
2020, tim... remarked:

"As part of temporary changes to the Congestion Charge, the
residents' discount is closed to new applicants"

...to discourage car ownership in the CC zone. I suggest they'd
never get away with that within the N/S circulars. Apart from
anything else a lot of Assembly Members (and MPs) would be clobbered.

but it's potentially being imposed upon these people by national government

the opposition parties looking for re-election locally can argue that
they have clean hands

Which will be difficult when the mayor responsible for agreeing to the
charge is from their party.

Shaun Bailey isn't mayor, and in any case, hasn't agreed to it.

He won't be the one implementing it.

Sadiq Khan certainly hasn't agreed to it. It's possible that all the
TfL services (apart from the Woolwich ferry) will close within days.

That'll be fun.
--
Roland Perry

On 17/10/2020 15:52, Recliner wrote:

certainly hasn't agreed to it. It's possible that all the TfL services
(apart from the Woolwich ferry) will close within days.

TfL said last night they have agreed the money to keep going to the end
of the month.

It's fun seeing the ferry disclaimer on all the commentary about the
situation.


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

In message , at
21:08:06 on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, Arthur Figgis
remarked:

certainly hasn't agreed to it. It's possible that all the TfL services
(apart from the Woolwich ferry) will close within days.

TfL said last night they have agreed the money to keep going to the end
of the month.

It's fun seeing the ferry disclaimer on all the commentary about the
situation.

There's probably some Act of Parliament which says it has to continue,
come what may.
--
Roland Perry

On 18/10/2020 09:31, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
21:08:06 on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, Arthur Figgis
remarked:

certainly hasn't agreed to it. It's possible that all the TfL services
(apart from the Woolwich ferry) will close within days.

TfL said last night they have agreed the money to keep going to the
end of the month.

It's fun seeing the ferry disclaimer on all the commentary about the
situation.

There's probably some Act of Parliament which says it has to continue,
come what may.

It's the only commuter service TfL is legally obliged to operate. It
became free from 1889 after the the Metropolitan Board of Works took
over and removed tolls from the bridges in West London. The original Act
of Parliament, in 1811, set up a commercial ferry, which was taken over
in 1844 by the Eastern Counties Railway.

--
Graeme Wall
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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
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On 18/10/2020 09:31, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
21:08:06 on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, Arthur Figgis
remarked:

certainly hasn't agreed to it. It's possible that all the TfL services
(apart from the Woolwich ferry) will close within days.

TfL said last night they have agreed the money to keep going to the end
of the month.

It's fun seeing the ferry disclaimer on all the commentary about the
situation.

There's probably some Act of Parliament which says it has to continue,
come what may.

It's the only commuter service TfL is legally obliged to operate.

but it didn't during the hand over phase to the new ships

https://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/new...nths-1-5708840

tim... wrote:


"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...
On 18/10/2020 09:31, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
21:08:06 on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, Arthur Figgis
remarked:

certainly hasn't agreed to it. It's possible that all the TfL services
(apart from the Woolwich ferry) will close within days.

TfL said last night they have agreed the money to keep going to the end
of the month.

It's fun seeing the ferry disclaimer on all the commentary about the
situation.

There's probably some Act of Parliament which says it has to continue,
come what may.

It's the only commuter service TfL is legally obliged to operate.

but it didn't during the hand over phase to the new ships

https://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/new...nths-1-5708840

Yes, I wonder how that was handled? Did it need something from parliament?

Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at
21:08:06 on Sat, 17 Oct 2020, Arthur Figgis
remarked:

certainly hasn't agreed to it. It's possible that all the TfL services
(apart from the Woolwich ferry) will close within days.

TfL said last night they have agreed the money to keep going to the end
of the month.

It's fun seeing the ferry disclaimer on all the commentary about the
situation.

There's probably some Act of Parliament which says it has to continue,
come what may.

Yes, I believe that is the case:

From the PM's local paper:

https://www.hillingdontimes.co.uk/news/18799870.tfl-bailout-row-plans-extend-congestion-charge/

TfL has relied on Government cash during the coronavirus crisis, after its
income from passenger fares fell 90 per cent at the peak of the virus.

If a new deal cannot be agreed with Government, the network will be forced
to issue a Section 114 order – the equivalent of bankruptcy for a public
body.

The transport authority would then only be allowed to operate services it
is required to by law – taxi licensing, free school buses for some
children, and the Woolwich Ferry.


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My guess is that the current mayor would easily win that game of chicken
with the former mayor.