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December 5th 20, 11:18 PM
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Brent Cross Thameslink affected by TfL funding crisis
https://www.newcivilengineer.com/lat...ns-23-09-2020/ Transport for London (TfL) has said it cannot fund plans to modify the under-construction Brent Cross West station to enable a connection to the proposed West London Orbital (WLO) railway. Platform space has been reserved at the station for the WLO railway – a London Overground extension which would involve the opening up of a freight railway for passenger use. However in a letter to Barnet Council, TfL said that given the “current financial climate” and while it awaits “longer term certainty” on funding, it is unable to contribute the estimated £1.4M needed to make the design changes. The transport operator added that there are no potential alternative funding sources that would be “available within the required timescale”. The Brent Cross West project is part of urban regeneration plans for the wider Brent Cross area. It involves the construction of a new rail station that will be linked to the nearby Brent Cross South scheme and is scheduled for completion by the end of 2022. Approved by Barnet Council, the proposed design changes to incorporate the WLO would introduce an additional island platform and connections to the footbridge. TfL did express continued support for the WLO, emphasising that feasibility work is ongoing. As such, the project is “still identified as a scheme that can help support the vital shift away from private car use” and the decision “does not preclude the future integration” of the WLO at the station. TfL said: “Serving Brent Cross West remains a priority for the WLO project and the design information you have helpfully provided will be a useful basis for the future feasibility work on the WLO. It will help inform the most effective and cost-efficient option for integration when we reach that stage in the project. We will continue to ensure you are kept informed of how this work progresses.” -- Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to Simple Minds - 1982 - New Gold Dream 81-82-83-84 |
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December 6th 20, 10:16 AM
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Brent Cross Thameslink affected by TfL funding crisis
On 06/12/2020 00:18, Basil Jet wrote:
https://www.newcivilengineer.com/lat...ns-23-09-2020/ Transport for London (TfL) has said it cannot fund plans to modify the under-construction Brent Cross West station to enable a connection to the proposed West London Orbital (WLO) railway. Platform space has been reserved at the station for the WLO railway – a London Overground extension which would involve the opening up of a freight railway for passenger use. However in a letter to Barnet Council, TfL said that given the “current financial climate” and while it awaits “longer term certainty” on funding, it is unable to contribute the estimated £1.4M needed to make the design changes. The transport operator added that there are no potential alternative funding sources that would be “available within the required timescale”. The Brent Cross West project is part of urban regeneration plans for the wider Brent Cross area. It involves the construction of a new rail station that will be linked to the nearby Brent Cross South scheme and is scheduled for completion by the end of 2022. Approved by Barnet Council, the proposed design changes to incorporate the WLO would introduce an additional island platform and connections to the footbridge. TfL did express continued support for the WLO, emphasising that feasibility work is ongoing. As such, the project is “still identified as a scheme that can help support the vital shift away from private car use” and the decision “does not preclude the future integration” of the WLO at the station. TfL said: “Serving Brent Cross West remains a priority for the WLO project and the design information you have helpfully provided will be a useful basis for the future feasibility work on the WLO. It will help inform the most effective and cost-efficient option for integration when we reach that stage in the project. We will continue to ensure you are kept informed of how this work progresses.” I wonder how much it would cost to widen platform 4 at Cricklewood to become an island with a second face serving the Dudding Hill line. No bridges or lifts required. There's even a crossover in the perfect place to rejoin the right line for the return journey. |
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December 6th 20, 10:21 AM
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In message , at 11:16:28 on Sun, 6 Dec 2020,
Certes remarked: On 06/12/2020 00:18, Basil Jet wrote: https://www.newcivilengineer.com/lat...ndon-station-p lans-23-09-2020/ Transport for London (TfL) has said it cannot fund plans to modify the under-construction Brent Cross West station to enable a connection to the proposed West London Orbital (WLO) railway. Platform space has been reserved at the station for the WLO railway – a London Overground extension which would involve the opening up of a freight railway for passenger use. However in a letter to Barnet Council, TfL said that given the “current financial climate” and while it awaits “longer term certainty” on funding, it is unable to contribute the estimated £1.4M needed to make the design changes. The transport operator added that there are no potential alternative funding sources that would be “available within the required timescale”. The Brent Cross West project is part of urban regeneration plans for the wider Brent Cross area. It involves the construction of a new rail station that will be linked to the nearby Brent Cross South scheme and is scheduled for completion by the end of 2022. Approved by Barnet Council, the proposed design changes to incorporate the WLO would introduce an additional island platform and connections to the footbridge. TfL did express continued support for the WLO, emphasising that feasibility work is ongoing. As such, the project is “still identified as a scheme that can help support the vital shift away from private car use” and the decision “does not preclude the future integration” of the WLO at the station. TfL said: “Serving Brent Cross West remains a priority for the WLO project and the design information you have helpfully provided will be a useful basis for the future feasibility work on the WLO. It will help inform the most effective and cost-efficient option for integration when we reach that stage in the project. We will continue to ensure you are kept informed of how this work progresses.” I wonder how much it would cost to widen platform 4 at Cricklewood to become an island with a second face serving the Dudding Hill line. No bridges or lifts required. There's even a crossover in the perfect place to rejoin the right line for the return journey. D we know if the £1.4m above is the cost of the extra construction, or the cost of doing the study to work out how much it costs to alter the design to make such construction possible in the future? -- Roland Perry |
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December 6th 20, 12:42 PM
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On 06/12/2020 11:21, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:16:28 on Sun, 6 Dec 2020, Certes remarked: On 06/12/2020 00:18, Basil Jet wrote: https://www.newcivilengineer.com/lat...ndon-station-p lans-23-09-2020/***** Transport for London (TfL) has said it cannot fund plans to modify the* under-construction Brent Cross West station to enable a connection to* the proposed West London Orbital (WLO) railway. *Platform space has been reserved at the station for the WLO railway – a* London Overground extension which would involve the opening up of a* freight railway for passenger use. *However in a letter to Barnet Council, TfL said that given the “current* financial climate” and while it awaits “longer term certainty” on* funding, it is unable to contribute the estimated £1.4M needed to make* the design changes. *The transport operator added that there are no potential alternative funding sources that would be “available within the required timescale”. *The Brent Cross West project is part of urban regeneration plans for the* wider Brent Cross area. It involves the construction of a new rail* station that will be linked to the nearby Brent Cross South scheme and* is scheduled for completion by the end of 2022. *Approved by Barnet Council, the proposed design changes to incorporate* the WLO would introduce an additional island platform and connections to* the footbridge. *TfL did express continued support for the WLO, emphasising that feasibility work is ongoing. *As such, the project is “still identified as a scheme that can help support the vital shift away from private car use” and the decision “does not preclude the future integration” of the WLO at the station. *TfL said: “Serving Brent Cross West remains a priority for the WLO project and the design information you have helpfully provided will be a* useful basis for the future feasibility work on the WLO. It will help* inform the most effective and cost-efficient option for integration when* we reach that stage in the project. We will continue to ensure you are* kept informed of how this work progresses.” I wonder how much it would cost to widen platform 4 at Cricklewood to become an island with a second face serving the Dudding Hill line. No bridges or lifts required.* There's even a crossover in the perfect place to rejoin the right line for the return journey. D we know if the £1.4m above is the cost of the extra construction, or the cost of doing the study to work out how much it costs to alter the design to make such construction possible in the future? That's going to be an absolutely massive housing development. Thousands of homes. Sorting out the transport links is essential to it being a decent place to live, and it sounds like the cost is quite modest. |
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December 6th 20, 01:51 PM
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In message , at 13:42:08 on Sun, 6 Dec 2020,
GB remarked: On 06/12/2020 11:21, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 11:16:28 on Sun, 6 Dec 2020, Certes remarked: On 06/12/2020 00:18, Basil Jet wrote: https://www.newcivilengineer.com/lat...ndon-station-p lans-23-09-2020/***** Transport for London (TfL) has said it cannot fund plans to modify the* under-construction Brent Cross West station to enable a connection to* the proposed West London Orbital (WLO) railway. *Platform space has been reserved at the station for the WLO railway – a* London Overground extension which would involve the opening up of a* freight railway for passenger use. *However in a letter to Barnet Council, TfL said that given the “current* financial climate” and while it awaits “longer term certainty” on* funding, it is unable to contribute the estimated £1.4M needed to make* the design changes. *The transport operator added that there are no potential alternative funding sources that would be “available within the required timescale”. *The Brent Cross West project is part of urban regeneration plans for the* wider Brent Cross area. It involves the construction of a new rail* station that will be linked to the nearby Brent Cross South scheme and* is scheduled for completion by the end of 2022. *Approved by Barnet Council, the proposed design changes to incorporate* the WLO would introduce an additional island platform and connections to* the footbridge. *TfL did express continued support for the WLO, emphasising that feasibility work is ongoing. *As such, the project is “still identified as a scheme that can help support the vital shift away from private car use” and the decision “does not preclude the future integration” of the WLO at the station. *TfL said: “Serving Brent Cross West remains a priority for the WLO project and the design information you have helpfully provided will be a* useful basis for the future feasibility work on the WLO. It will help* inform the most effective and cost-efficient option for integration when* we reach that stage in the project. We will continue to ensure you are* kept informed of how this work progresses.” I wonder how much it would cost to widen platform 4 at Cricklewood to become an island with a second face serving the Dudding Hill line. No bridges or lifts required.* There's even a crossover in the perfect place to rejoin the right line for the return journey. D we know if the £1.4m above is the cost of the extra construction, or the cost of doing the study to work out how much it costs to alter the design to make such construction possible in the future? That's going to be an absolutely massive housing development. Thousands of homes. Sorting out the transport links is essential to it being a decent place to live, and it sounds like the cost is quite modest. Is the modest cost the planning, or the delivery? And you'd have thought that TfL would have realised that thousands of homes would produce enough SIL (or whatever) funding, but they say there's nothing available. -- Roland Perry |
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December 6th 20, 03:51 PM
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On 06/12/2020 14:51, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:42:08 on Sun, 6 Dec 2020, GB remarked: On 06/12/2020 11:21, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 11:16:28 on Sun, 6 Dec 2020,* Certes remarked: On 06/12/2020 00:18, Basil Jet wrote: https://www.newcivilengineer.com/lat...ndon-station-p lans-23-09-2020/***** Transport for London (TfL) has said it cannot fund plans to modify the* under-construction Brent Cross West station* to enable a connection to* the proposed West London Orbital (WLO)* railway. *Platform space has been reserved at the station for the WLO railway* – a* London Overground extension which would involve the opening up* of a* freight railway for passenger use. *However in a letter to Barnet Council, TfL said that given the “current* financial climate” and while it awaits “longer term certainty” on* funding, it is unable to contribute the estimated £1.4M needed to make* the design changes. *The transport operator added that there are no potential alternative* funding sources that would be “available within the required timescale”. *The Brent Cross West project is part of urban regeneration plans for* the* wider Brent Cross area. It involves the construction of a new* rail* station that will be linked to the nearby Brent Cross South* scheme and* is scheduled for completion by the end of 2022. *Approved by Barnet Council, the proposed design changes to incorporate* the WLO would introduce an additional island platform and connections to* the footbridge. *TfL did express continued support for the WLO, emphasising that feasibility work is ongoing. *As such, the project is “still identified as a scheme that can help* support the vital shift away from private car use” and the decision* “does not preclude the future integration” of the WLO at the station. *TfL said: “Serving Brent Cross West remains a priority for the WLO project and the design information you have helpfully provided will be a* useful basis for the future feasibility work on the WLO. It will help* inform the most effective and cost-efficient option for integration when* we reach that stage in the project. We will continue to ensure you are* kept informed of how this work progresses.” I wonder how much it would cost to widen platform 4 at Cricklewood to become an island with a second face serving the Dudding Hill line. No bridges or lifts required.* There's even a crossover in the perfect place to rejoin the right line for the return journey. *D we know if the £1.4m above is the cost of the extra construction, or* the cost of doing the study to work out how much it costs to alter the* design to make such construction possible in the future? That's going to be an absolutely massive housing development. Thousands of homes. Sorting out the transport links is essential to it being a decent place to live, and it sounds like the cost is quite modest. Is the modest cost the planning, or the delivery? And you'd have thought that TfL would have realised that thousands of homes would produce enough SIL (or whatever) funding, but they say there's nothing available. TFL are currently utterly strapped for cash, so they may recognise the need for this transport link in the long term but have no means of funding any expenditure at the moment. |
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December 6th 20, 10:13 PM
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In uk.railway Roland Perry wrote:
Is the modest cost the planning, or the delivery? And you'd have thought that TfL would have realised that thousands of homes would produce enough SIL (or whatever) funding, but they say there's nothing available. "10.3 Cost Estimation There will be two costs associated with passive provision and early investment for the alterations to the existing BXW station design. One is the cost for modifying the existing architectural, structural and civil engineering design. The second is the construction costfor these alterations. 10.3.1 Design Cost Estimation Design only alterations has been estimated to be about circa£30,000 based on a project team made up of Architects, Structural and Civil engineersworking with the assumptions that: * the WLO footbridge capacity will be similar to the BXW footbridge, * the WLO footbridge connections will be to designto existing structurenodes therefore, no new columnpositionswill be required, * Uniform level between the concourse and the WLO footbridge can be achieved without alterations to BXW track and platform vertical clearances, and * Use of similar construction type i.e. steelwork construction." [snip] "10.3.2 Construction Cost Estimation The cost for the installation of the passive provisions and early investment elements will need to be discussed in detail with the BXW contractor. Although, this cost will be largelyfrom construction materialsit is possible the other influencing factors could drive cost e.g. availability and lead times for materials and plants, construction methodology etc. There is an opportunity for early contractor involvement on this subject to identify areas of opportunities and risks for efficient delivery." https://www.barnet.gov.uk/sites/defa...rt_rev_p02.pdf so presumably the cost is delivery of whatever needs to be delivered now, as opposed to purely design work. I would guess it would be possible to do it in future (the site would remain available), but more expensively. Theo |
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