On Fri, 07 May 2021 23:47:06 +0100
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Wed, 5 May 2021 08:35:13 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Tue, 04 May 2021 22:33:51 +0100
Nigel Emery wrote:
than it was in the early 90s. Had we have won the body shells would
have been made in Japan

Good thing you didn't then.

site. A short test track next to our existing Fighting Vehicle test
track was planned. We didn't have a rail connection which seemed a bit
of a problem to me but at that time that was well above my pay grade!

Wasn't a problem for the 2009 stock that was idiotically made too big** to fit

on the piccadilly line

It was actually made to fit the Victoria Line.
snip

You are really full of amazing facts today.

Yes, we know that, but in doing so it has to be taken to the line by road
not rail. If they had used the extra space inside the train it might have
been worth it, but they wasted so much of it that there's no more room than
in any other stock.

On Sat, 8 May 2021 09:16:40 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Fri, 07 May 2021 23:47:06 +0100
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Wed, 5 May 2021 08:35:13 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Tue, 04 May 2021 22:33:51 +0100
Nigel Emery wrote:
than it was in the early 90s. Had we have won the body shells would
have been made in Japan

Good thing you didn't then.

site. A short test track next to our existing Fighting Vehicle test
track was planned. We didn't have a rail connection which seemed a bit
of a problem to me but at that time that was well above my pay grade!

Wasn't a problem for the 2009 stock that was idiotically made too big** to fit

on the piccadilly line

It was actually made to fit the Victoria Line.
snip

You are really full of amazing facts today.

Yes, we know that, but in doing so it has to be taken to the line by road
not rail. If they had used the extra space inside the train it might have
been worth it, but they wasted so much of it that there's no more room than
in any other stock.

You seem to have missed
1)The presence of a maintenance depot at Northumberland Park.
2)The use of road transport for moving stock to/from LU depots on
other Underground lines.

On Sat, 08 May 2021 10:44:17 +0100
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sat, 8 May 2021 09:16:40 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:
Yes, we know that, but in doing so it has to be taken to the line by road
not rail. If they had used the extra space inside the train it might have
been worth it, but they wasted so much of it that there's no more room than
in any other stock.

You seem to have missed
1)The presence of a maintenance depot at Northumberland Park.

No!! Is it?? Who knew! Take a look at a map - its well south of the north
circular, never mind the M25 and on a very busy road.

2)The use of road transport for moving stock to/from LU depots on
other Underground lines.

Not always and it also prevents the stock easily being taken to Neasden
for major overhauls.

wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 10:44:17 +0100
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sat, 8 May 2021 09:16:40 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:
Yes, we know that, but in doing so it has to be taken to the line by road
not rail. If they had used the extra space inside the train it might have
been worth it, but they wasted so much of it that there's no more room than
in any other stock.

You seem to have missed
1)The presence of a maintenance depot at Northumberland Park.

No!! Is it?? Who knew! Take a look at a map - its well south of the north
circular, never mind the M25 and on a very busy road.

It's also right next to a railway line, and it would have been easy to
establish at least a temporary connection for delivering the fleet. That
would have been much easier than using the usual Ruislip connection.


2)The use of road transport for moving stock to/from LU depots on
other Underground lines.

Not always and it also prevents the stock easily being taken to Neasden
for major overhauls.

Why would Victoria line stock be taken to the Jubilee and Met lines depot
at Neasden for overhauls?

On Sat, 8 May 2021 10:53:50 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
No!! Is it?? Who knew! Take a look at a map - its well south of the north
circular, never mind the M25 and on a very busy road.

It's also right next to a railway line, and it would have been easy to
establish at least a temporary connection for delivering the fleet. That
would have been much easier than using the usual Ruislip connection.

Yes, I'm sure network rail would jump at the chance to close a track on a
main commuter line to link up to the depot in order for LU to get their
trains.

In fact there was a link once but it was removed.

Not always and it also prevents the stock easily being taken to Neasden
for major overhauls.

Why would Victoria line stock be taken to the Jubilee and Met lines depot
at Neasden for overhauls?

Neasden is (or perhaps was) where all stock got major overhauls. The other
depots don't have all the equipment.

wrote:
On Sat, 8 May 2021 10:53:50 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
No!! Is it?? Who knew! Take a look at a map - its well south of the north
circular, never mind the M25 and on a very busy road.

It's also right next to a railway line, and it would have been easy to
establish at least a temporary connection for delivering the fleet. That
would have been much easier than using the usual Ruislip connection.

Yes, I'm sure network rail would jump at the chance to close a track on a
main commuter line to link up to the depot in order for LU to get their
trains.

Why would it have to close a track? And the Ruislip connection is also on
a busy commuter and regional main line to Birmingham.


In fact there was a link once but it was removed.

Not always and it also prevents the stock easily being taken to Neasden
for major overhauls.

Why would Victoria line stock be taken to the Jubilee and Met lines depot
at Neasden for overhauls?

Neasden is (or perhaps was) where all stock got major overhauls.

You're years out of date.

The other depots don't have all the equipment.

And nor does Neasden. It's just the Met and secondary Jubilee depot.

On Sun, 9 May 2021 00:18:30 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
wrote:
Yes, I'm sure network rail would jump at the chance to close a track on a
main commuter line to link up to the depot in order for LU to get their
trains.

Why would it have to close a track? And the Ruislip connection is also on

I suppose they could do it at 2 in the morning, but they certainly couldn't
do it in the day without seriously impacting the local mainline services.

a busy commuter and regional main line to Birmingham.

The odd DMU now and then doesn't really compare to an electrified surburban
line.