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Default Unenforced traffic ban on oxford street

John Rowland wrote:

"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote...

Traffic which does not wish to turn
right tends to avoid the queues by
diving into the bus lane.


And then whinges when it gets snapped doing so, right?

So perhaps Mr purple can explain what the problem is?


The problem is that bus lane cameras are not billed as "A solution to the
problem of cars undertaking right-turners", they are billed as "A solution
to the problem of buses being held up by traffic". Placing the camera where
it will fine cars undertaking right-turners is dishonest immoral taxation. I
don't see why bus lanes shouldn't be treated like box junctions - no-one
should be fined unless they actually stop in one.


Aside from the obvious problem of cars getting trapped behind stopped
buses, there's the problem of buses being held up by cars moving at a
crawl to avoid having to actually stop!
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"Aidan Stanger" wrote in message
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John Rowland wrote:

The problem is that bus lane cameras are not billed as
"A solution to the problem of cars undertaking right-turners",
they are billed as "A solution to the problem of buses being
held up by traffic". Placing the camera where it will fine cars
undertaking right-turners is dishonest immoral taxation. I don't
see why bus lanes shouldn't be treated like box junctions -
no-one should be fined unless they actually stop in one.


Aside from the obvious problem of cars
getting trapped behind stopped buses


What's the problem? They went into a box junction without their exit being
clear. Prosecute them.

there's the problem of buses being held up by cars
moving at a crawl to avoid having to actually stop!


You're treating my suggestion too literally. If they are holding up a bus,
the camera on the bus would film them and they would be fined. The main
thing is that if you want to do a left turn a few hundred metres ahead, I
don't see why you shouldn't be allowed to use the bus lane. The current
implementation of the law does not match the expressed intention of the law.

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