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Blockade of cross London Thameslink services from Saturday 11th September 2004 until 2005
As you may be aware, in conjunction with the building of a new box tunnel
for a new Thameslink station, there will be no cross London Thameslink service from Saturday 11th September 2004 until 2005. Please avoid using Kings Cross underground station, if possible, because of the extra passenger traffic expected because of this blockade. More details can be found at: http://www.travelbuddy.info |
Blockade of cross London Thameslink services from Saturday 11th September 2004 until 2005
In message , at 18:19:56 on
Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Robin Mayes remarked: Please avoid using Kings Cross underground station, if possible Most people who can avoid using it, already do avoid using it... (And unfortunately for such an important transport destination, the next nearest stations are quite a long way away.) -- Roland Perry |
Blockade of cross London Thameslink services from Saturday 11th September 2004 until 2005
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 18:19:56 on Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Robin Mayes remarked: Please avoid using Kings Cross underground station, if possible Most people who can avoid using it, already do avoid using it... (And unfortunately for such an important transport destination, the next nearest stations are quite a long way away.) Any bets on how long it will it will be before a Thameslink train is routed into a non-electrified platform at the new St Pancras? -- Best regards, Piers |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message .uk... In message , at 18:19:56 on Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Robin Mayes remarked: Please avoid using Kings Cross underground station, if possible Most people who can avoid using it, already do avoid using it... (And unfortunately for such an important transport destination, the next nearest stations are quite a long way away.) Euston, Euston Square and Russell Square arn't that far away by foot! |
Blockade of cross London Thameslink services from Saturday 11th September 2004 until 2005
In message , at 21:56:34 on
Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Robin Mayes remarked: Please avoid using Kings Cross underground station, if possible Most people who can avoid using it, already do avoid using it... (And unfortunately for such an important transport destination, the next nearest stations are quite a long way away.) Euston, Euston Square and Russell Square arn't that far away by foot! Yes they are, especially as you have to negotiate the works outside St Pancras. I've done it a few times when KX has been closed for security reasons. -- Roland Perry |
Blockade of cross London Thameslink services from Saturday 11th September 2004 until 2005
Roland Perry wrote in message o.uk...
In message , at 21:56:34 on Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Robin Mayes remarked: Please avoid using Kings Cross underground station, if possible Most people who can avoid using it, already do avoid using it... (And unfortunately for such an important transport destination, the next nearest stations are quite a long way away.) Euston, Euston Square and Russell Square arn't that far away by foot! Yes they are, especially as you have to negotiate the works outside St Pancras. I've done it a few times when KX has been closed for security reasons. Kentish Town or West Hampstead provide useful interchanges onto LUL, but some clever person has decided Thameslink services will not call at these stations between 07.30 and 09.30 to prevent overcrowding. Doesn't make much sense to me as this means all passengers will be forced into the Kings Cross/St Pancras area making the overcrowding there 3 times worse. Regards E*driver |
Blockade of cross London Thameslink services from Saturday 11th September 2004 until 2005
In message , at
00:47:14 on Wed, 8 Sep 2004, eurostardriver remarked: Kentish Town or West Hampstead provide useful interchanges onto LUL, but some clever person has decided Thameslink services will not call at these stations between 07.30 and 09.30 to prevent overcrowding. Doesn't make much sense to me as this means all passengers will be forced into the Kings Cross/St Pancras area making the overcrowding there 3 times worse. Perhaps it's easier to control at KX? They can close the way into the underground station (I've seen them do this by putting people at the top of the stairs outside the GNER ticket office on the mainline concourse), as well as by turning off the ticket barriers thus stopping people using the down escalators. -- Roland Perry |
Blockade of cross London Thameslink services from Saturday 11th September 2004 until 2005
"eurostardriver" wrote in message
om... Roland Perry wrote in message o.uk... In message , at 21:56:34 on Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Robin Mayes remarked: Please avoid using Kings Cross underground station, if possible Kentish Town or West Hampstead provide useful interchanges onto LUL, but some clever person has decided Thameslink services will not call at these stations between 07.30 and 09.30 to prevent overcrowding. Doesn't make much sense to me as this means all passengers will be forced into the Kings Cross/St Pancras area making the overcrowding there 3 times worse. Regards E*driver Thameslink didn't want this. It was at the insistance of LUL as they stated that the platforms at West Hampstead and Kentish Town underground stations cannot safely handle large numbers of pax. Neil |
Blockade of cross London Thameslink services from Saturday 11th September 2004 until 2005
"Piers Connor" wrote in message
... Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 18:19:56 on Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Robin Mayes remarked: Please avoid using Kings Cross underground station, if possible Most people who can avoid using it, already do avoid using it... Any bets on how long it will it will be before a Thameslink train is routed into a non-electrified platform at the new St Pancras? Best regards, Piers Are you casting aspersions on us signallers at West Hampstead PSB. Westcad (new signalling control for St.Pancras) is run as a separate entity to the rest of the signalling at WH.PSB and all the signallers on it are straight off the street with less than 6 months experience and are not passed out for any of the "entry/exit" panels in the 'box. Up until now they have had it very easy only signalling 4 trains in and out per hour. From the start of the blockade it will be very different and in the morning peak will be running 17 trains in and out per hour. Anyway to answer your concern about putting a Thameslink train into platforms 8 and 9 (non-electrified), if the signaller tries to set a route into platform 8 or 9 the system actually pops up a question asking you if the train is an electric or not before setting the route. So, as long as these new signallers know the difference between a Thameslink and a MML train we'll have no problems!!! Cadman |
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"Piers Connor" wrote:
Any bets on how long it will it will be before a Thameslink train is routed into a non-electrified platform at the new St Pancras? Aren't the current platforms at St. Pancras all electrified? If so, then quite a while. |
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"Matt Ashby" wrote in message m... "Piers Connor" wrote: Any bets on how long it will it will be before a Thameslink train is routed into a non-electrified platform at the new St Pancras? Aren't the current platforms at St. Pancras all electrified? If so, then quite a while. Don't forget that the current St.Pancras is the new Interim Station and presently only platforms 10,11,12 and 13 are wired and energised. All wiring for the old station were taken out quite early on during the CTRL construction work. Cadman |
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"Piers Connor" wrote in message
Any bets on how long it will it will be before a Thameslink train is routed into a non-electrified platform at the new St Pancras? Why ask such a question ? Since BedPan / Thameslink electrification WH PSB has sucessfully managed to run the same railway for 15 years without routing HST to Moorgate - or 319s to Junction Road Junction or any other non-electrified diverging route, why would you except this happen now. The sort of comment you have made is what leads to uninformed nonsense appearing on the media after an accident. -- Nick |
Blockade of cross London Thameslink services from Saturday 11th September 2004 until 2005
Since BedPan / Thameslink electrification WH PSB has sucessfully
managed to run the same railway for 15 years without routing HST to Moorgate - or 319s to Junction Road Junction or any other non-electrified diverging route, why would you except this happen now. A couple of years ago a 319 failed south of Bedford, and another unit was despatched to collect it. This second unit was routed via a non-electrified connection between the up and down lines. The pan disengaged and brought the wires down. Some time before that a 319 was routed into the then new Platform 4 at Bedford station. So, yes, it happens all the time. Peter Goodland. |
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D7666 wrote:
Why ask such a question ? Since BedPan / Thameslink electrification WH PSB has sucessfully managed to run the same railway for 15 years without routing HST to Moorgate - or 319s to Junction Road Junction or any other non-electrified diverging route, why would you except this happen now. Because people do sometimes make mistakes? During the Ipswich Tunnel closure, an Intercity set was routed on to the Lowestoft Line, where the was no power. Also a few years ago, an 86+set was routed away from the wires at Norwich. -- Darren Rail Pics: http://photos.darrenjohnson.co.uk/ Website : http://www.darrenjohnson.co.uk/ |
Blockade of cross London Thameslink services from Saturday 11th September 2004 until 2005
In message , at
14:32:11 on Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Darren ] remarked: Why ask such a question ? Since BedPan / Thameslink electrification WH PSB has sucessfully managed to run the same railway for 15 years without routing HST to Moorgate - or 319s to Junction Road Junction or any other non-electrified diverging route, why would you except this happen now. Because people do sometimes make mistakes? During the Ipswich Tunnel closure, an Intercity set was routed on to the Lowestoft Line, where the was no power. Also a few years ago, an 86+set was routed away from the wires at Norwich. And someone posted only a week ago about a GNER E* set that was sent onto a branch with no electrification, somewhere well north of Peterborough I think. -- Roland Perry |
Blockade of cross London Thameslink services from Saturday 11thSeptember 2004 until 2005
Cadman wrote:
"eurostardriver" wrote in message om... Roland Perry wrote in message o.uk... In message , at 21:56:34 on Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Robin Mayes remarked: Please avoid using Kings Cross underground station, if possible Kentish Town or West Hampstead provide useful interchanges onto LUL, but some clever person has decided Thameslink services will not call at these stations between 07.30 and 09.30 to prevent overcrowding. Doesn't make much sense to me as this means all passengers will be forced into the Kings Cross/St Pancras area making the overcrowding there 3 times worse. Regards E*driver Thameslink didn't want this. It was at the insistance of LUL as they stated that the platforms at West Hampstead and Kentish Town underground stations cannot safely handle large numbers of pax. Neil Out of interest why is this? I could possibly understand Kentish Town but West Hampstead seems to have pretty large platforms (although admittedly not very many ticket gates - but those could be left open at busy times). I'd be more concerned about overcrowding on the walking route along West End Lane. With more planning, maybe LUL could have stopped some Mets at West Hampstead, allieviating the crowding issue. However I guess that would have required a complicated recast of the timetable. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
Blockade of cross London Thameslink services from Saturday 11th September 2004 until 2005
In article , D7666 wrote:
"Piers Connor" wrote in message Any bets on how long it will it will be before a Thameslink train is routed into a non-electrified platform at the new St Pancras? Why ask such a question ? Since BedPan / Thameslink electrification WH PSB has sucessfully managed to run the same railway for 15 years without routing HST to Moorgate - or 319s to Junction Road Junction or any other non-electrified diverging route, why would you except this happen now. Though not long ago a northbound T/L was routed non-electric at Bedford but managed to coast into the platform. -- Jock Mackirdy Bedford |
Blockade of cross London Thameslink services from Saturday 11th September 2004 until 2005
Dave Arquati wrote:
Cadman wrote: "eurostardriver" wrote in message om... Roland Perry wrote in message o.uk... In message , at 21:56:34 on Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Robin Mayes remarked: Please avoid using Kings Cross underground station, if possible Kentish Town or West Hampstead provide useful interchanges onto LUL, but some clever person has decided Thameslink services will not call at these stations between 07.30 and 09.30 to prevent overcrowding. Doesn't make much sense to me as this means all passengers will be forced into the Kings Cross/St Pancras area making the overcrowding there 3 times worse. Regards E*driver Thameslink didn't want this. It was at the insistance of LUL as they stated that the platforms at West Hampstead and Kentish Town underground stations cannot safely handle large numbers of pax. Neil Out of interest why is this? I could possibly understand Kentish Town but West Hampstead seems to have pretty large platforms (although admittedly not very many ticket gates - but those could be left open at busy times). I'd be more concerned about overcrowding on the walking route along West End Lane. With more planning, maybe LUL could have stopped some Mets at West Hampstead, allieviating the crowding issue. However I guess that would have required a complicated recast of the timetable. At which platform? W Hampstead only has an island platform serving the Jubilee line. North of there the first track connection between Met & Jubilee is north of Neasden -- Lawrence Myers |
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Lawrence Myers wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote: Cadman wrote: "eurostardriver" wrote in message e.com... Roland Perry wrote in message s.co.uk... In message , at 21:56:34 on Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Robin Mayes remarked: Please avoid using Kings Cross underground station, if possible Kentish Town or West Hampstead provide useful interchanges onto LUL, but some clever person has decided Thameslink services will not call at these stations between 07.30 and 09.30 to prevent overcrowding. Doesn't make much sense to me as this means all passengers will be forced into the Kings Cross/St Pancras area making the overcrowding there 3 times worse. Regards E*driver Thameslink didn't want this. It was at the insistance of LUL as they stated that the platforms at West Hampstead and Kentish Town underground stations cannot safely handle large numbers of pax. Neil Out of interest why is this? I could possibly understand Kentish Town but West Hampstead seems to have pretty large platforms (although admittedly not very many ticket gates - but those could be left open at busy times). I'd be more concerned about overcrowding on the walking route along West End Lane. With more planning, maybe LUL could have stopped some Mets at West Hampstead, allieviating the crowding issue. However I guess that would have required a complicated recast of the timetable. At which platform? W Hampstead only has an island platform serving the Jubilee line. North of there the first track connection between Met & Jubilee is north of Neasden Oops, my mistake. I must have been thinking of Willesden Green instead. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
Blockade of cross London Thameslink services from Saturday 11th September 2004 until 2005
In article , D7666
writes Why ask such a question ? Since BedPan / Thameslink electrification WH PSB has sucessfully managed to run the same railway for 15 years without routing HST to Moorgate - or 319s to Junction Road Junction or any other non-electrified diverging route, why would you except this happen now. The sort of comment you have made is what leads to uninformed nonsense appearing on the media after an accident. But about a year ago one of the WH signallers did manage to route a Thameslink train across a non-electrified cross-over near Flitwick. As a result services were badly disrupted for around 24 hours, and I got home a couple of hours late. -- Clive Page |
Blockade of cross London Thameslink services from Saturday 11th September 2004 until 2005
In article ,
eurostardriver writes Kentish Town or West Hampstead provide useful interchanges onto LUL, but some clever person has decided Thameslink services will not call at these stations between 07.30 and 09.30 to prevent overcrowding. Doesn't make much sense to me as this means all passengers will be forced into the Kings Cross/St Pancras area making the overcrowding there 3 times worse. I quite agree: it seems quite crazy. Only a proportion of Thameslink commuters would surely want to use one of these, if they have a sensible onward route via the Northern (Kentish Town) or Jubilee (West Hampstead) lines, the others will continue to St.Pancras as it serves several other lines, thus diluting the otherwise inevitable overload at Kings Cross LT station. Both KT and WH stations seemed to cope quite well during the periods when they acted as termini with *all* services stopping short of Kings Cross/St.Pancras. Kentish Town has a good connection with quite wide passageways and staircases; West Hampstead LT station is over 100 metres from the Thameslink station, which means that any rush when a Thameslink train arrives will thin out as people walk along and across the main road. Can anyone think of the real reason for this closure? -- Clive Page |
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"Jock Mackirdy" wrote in message
... Though not long ago a northbound T/L was routed non-electric at Bedford but managed to coast into the platform. I thought the brakes would immediately apply when the power failed. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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In message , John Rowland
writes "Jock Mackirdy" wrote in message ... Though not long ago a northbound T/L was routed non-electric at Bedford but managed to coast into the platform. I thought the brakes would immediately apply when the power failed. Might cause a bit of a problem in neutral sections. -- Spyke Address is valid, but messages are treated as junk. The opinions I express do not necessarily reflect those of the educational institution from which I post. |
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Clive Page wrote:
In article , eurostardriver writes Kentish Town or West Hampstead provide useful interchanges onto LUL, but some clever person has decided Thameslink services will not call at these stations between 07.30 and 09.30 to prevent overcrowding. Doesn't make much sense to me as this means all passengers will be forced into the Kings Cross/St Pancras area making the overcrowding there 3 times worse. I quite agree: it seems quite crazy. It does, but ... Can anyone think of the real reason for this closure? .... TfL claim they've done traffic modelling, and the loads on those stations would be too high. I suspect they know more about the flows than we do, and so are in a position to make this judgement. tom -- The revolving disc of plagues is particularly fun. -- greengolux |
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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:46:46 +0100, Clive Page
wrote: In article , eurostardriver writes Kentish Town or West Hampstead provide useful interchanges onto LUL, but some clever person has decided Thameslink services will not call at these stations between 07.30 and 09.30 to prevent overcrowding. Doesn't make much sense to me as this means all passengers will be forced into the Kings Cross/St Pancras area making the overcrowding there 3 times worse. I quite agree: it seems quite crazy....... Can anyone think of the real reason for this closure? It was an LU ploy to get a larger proportion of the fares?? -- Peter Lawrence |
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"John Rowland" wrote in message ... "Jock Mackirdy" wrote in message ... Though not long ago a northbound T/L was routed non-electric at Bedford but managed to coast into the platform. I thought the brakes would immediately apply when the power failed. Would be a bit annoying at neutral sections, where the OLE is deliberately dead... |
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Peter Lawrence wrote:
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:46:46 +0100, Clive Page wrote: In article , eurostardriver writes Kentish Town or West Hampstead provide useful interchanges onto LUL, but some clever person has decided Thameslink services will not call at these stations between 07.30 and 09.30 to prevent overcrowding. Doesn't make much sense to me as this means all passengers will be forced into the Kings Cross/St Pancras area making the overcrowding there 3 times worse. I quite agree: it seems quite crazy....... Can anyone think of the real reason for this closure? It was an LU ploy to get a larger proportion of the fares?? Hardly. Regular commuters travelling onwards from St Pancras by tube will have a Travelcard anyway; people travelling to West Hampstead & Kentish Town are permitted to travel in to St Pancras and return by a northbound train during the closure. Irregular users travelling between Thameslink and LU stations would have to pay a higher proportion of their fare to LU by using West Hampstead or Kentish Town as these are both in Zone 2. I don't think LU would get a noticeably higher proportion of fares whether West Hampstead and Kentish Town were open to southbound TL pax or not! -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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In message , David H Wild
writes In article , John Rowland wrote: Though not long ago a northbound T/L was routed non-electric at Bedford but managed to coast into the platform. I thought the brakes would immediately apply when the power failed. No, they are not. I have been on a 321 which coasted from Harrow and Wealdstone to near Primrose Hill when the power failed. I have also experienced a power failure after departing Highbury & Islington in the Drayton Park to Moorgate 'underground section' whilst on a WAGN 313. The driver announced on the PA that we were in fact coasting downhill and therefore should reach Essex Road without any problems, apart from the fact that all the lights had gone out. Even this was a bit overly pessimistic as I noticed that the lights over the entry/exit sliding doors were still alight, even if the remaining carriage lights had indeed been extinguished. (I found that quite comforting.) As it happened, just as we arrived at Essex Rd, the power came back on and so our journey to Moorgate continued without further interruptions. Bob. -- Bob Adams - email address: |
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"David H Wild" wrote in message
... I have been on a 321 which coasted from Harrow and Wealdstone to near Primrose Hill when the power failed. Wow. I wonder why he didn't stop at a station - surely this would have been more useful than leaving you all sitting near Primrose Hill for an unspecified time. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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In article ,
John Rowland wrote: I have been on a 321 which coasted from Harrow and Wealdstone to near Primrose Hill when the power failed. Wow. I wonder why he didn't stop at a station - surely this would have been more useful than leaving you all sitting near Primrose Hill for an unspecified time. We didn't stop. By the time we reached Primrose Hill the power had come back on, and we had lost about 3 minutes. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / Acorn StrongArm Risc_PC | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ |
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:50:18 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote: Wow. I wonder why he didn't stop at a station - surely this would have been more useful than leaving you all sitting near Primrose Hill for an unspecified time. There are, that I can recall, no stations with platforms on the fasts between H&W and Euston, so if he wasn't on the slows even Queens Park wouldn't have been an option. On that basis, I guess making an attempt on Euston wasn't a bad idea. Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK To e-mail use neil at the above domain |
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In article , Neil Williams
wrote: Wow. I wonder why he didn't stop at a station - surely this would have been more useful than leaving you all sitting near Primrose Hill for an unspecified time. There are, that I can recall, no stations with platforms on the fasts between H&W and Euston, so if he wasn't on the slows even Queens Park wouldn't have been an option. On that basis, I guess making an attempt on Euston wasn't a bad idea. There are platforms on the slow lines at Wembley Central and Queens Park, and on the fast lines at Wembley Central. We didn't stop anyway. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / Acorn StrongArm Risc_PC | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ |
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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... Hardly. Regular commuters travelling onwards from St Pancras by tube will have a Travelcard anyway; people travelling to West Hampstead & Kentish Town are permitted to travel in to St Pancras and return by a northbound train during the closure. How nice for them, and no doubt with no compensation. When Thameslink are having one of their days just getting into St Pancras can be fun never mind trying to get out again as well. This evening the stoppers seem to be starting from Kentish Town, it will be interesting to see if the tube station does grind to a halt when the reverse happens during the StP works. Dave. |
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Jock Mackirdy wrote in message ...
In article , D7666 wrote: "Piers Connor" wrote in message Any bets on how long it will it will be before a Thameslink train is routed into a non-electrified platform at the new St Pancras? Why ask such a question ? Since BedPan / Thameslink electrification WH PSB has sucessfully managed to run the same railway for 15 years without routing HST to Moorgate - or 319s to Junction Road Junction or any other non-electrified diverging route, why would you except this happen now. Though not long ago a northbound T/L was routed non-electric at Bedford but managed to coast into the platform. What are drivers supposed to do in this sort of situation? Are they to stop immediately so the train doesn't have far to be shunted back onto the electrified lines or should they coast as far as they can so as not to block the points and perhaps reach a station to let the passengers off? B2003 |
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Clive Page wrote in message ...
wide passageways and staircases; West Hampstead LT station is over 100 metres from the Thameslink station, which means that any rush when a Thameslink train arrives will thin out as people walk along and across the main road. Can anyone think of the real reason for this closure? You seem to be under the misguised impression that train services are run for the benefit of the passengers. They're not. Passengers are merely an annoyance that has to be put up with and that stop the smooth running of the full size trainsets the TOCs and LUL get to play with each day. Sorry I know I'm being sarcastic but it really does feel like that sometimes and I sometimes really do wonder if they realise its us the passenger these services are supposed to be for. B2003 |
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On 14 Sep 2004 01:18:05 -0700, Boltar wrote in
, seen in uk.railway: You seem to be under the misguised impression that train services are run for the benefit of the passengers. They're not. Passengers are merely an annoyance that has to be put up with and that stop the smooth running of the full size trainsets the TOCs and LUL get to play with each day. First bit right, last sentence utterly and totally barking up the wrong tree. Sorry I know I'm being sarcastic but it really does feel like that sometimes and I sometimes really do wonder if they realise its us the passenger these services are supposed to be for. No they ain't. Nor are they for the staff, or the companies. They're run so the politicians can say "Look at all the good things we're doing for you. We provide train services in areas which really don't justify them (or) We've spent x billion [of taxpayers money, but they forget to mention that] on improving services for railway passengers (or)...." Well, make up your own! Or, if you're really cynical, they still run because the politicians aren't willing to take the hit from the electorate if they closed down even the smallest part of the railway. -- Ross From & reply-to addresses will bounce. Reply to the group. |
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:55:59 +0100, Dave Arquati wrote:
Peter Lawrence wrote: On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:46:46 +0100, Clive Page wrote: In article , eurostardriver writes Kentish Town or West Hampstead provide useful interchanges onto LUL, but some clever person has decided Thameslink services will not call at these stations between 07.30 and 09.30 to prevent overcrowding. Doesn't make much sense to me as this means all passengers will be forced into the Kings Cross/St Pancras area making the overcrowding there 3 times worse. I quite agree: it seems quite crazy....... Can anyone think of the real reason for this closure? I'm not sure on the details but I think some combination of the following might apply :- a) increased congestion at the interchange locations and on the Jubilee and Northern lines. b) West Hampstead LU station is being modernised at present so overloading an already small station which has works going on is perhaps not the best idea. c) a possible concern about track capacity if Thameslink trains have to stop for much longer than normal while people change lines - St Pancras should be better able to cope as it's the terminal. d) as said by someone else - KX / SP has more lines to distribute the traffic plus there is the link to the southern section of the line. It was an LU ploy to get a larger proportion of the fares?? Hardly. Regular commuters travelling onwards from St Pancras by tube will have a Travelcard anyway; people travelling to West Hampstead & Kentish Town are permitted to travel in to St Pancras and return by a northbound train during the closure. Irregular users travelling between Thameslink and LU stations would have to pay a higher proportion of their fare to LU by using West Hampstead or Kentish Town as these are both in Zone 2. No they wouldn't as single fares are interavailable south of West Hampstead to Moorgate / London Bridge and Elephant so it's all taken into account in the calculation of the current fares. Travelcard revenues will come out of the revenue pool and I doubt there will be any short term adjustment. Not sure what would happen with Thameslink only season tickets - I don't know if they have any inter availability or not. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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Clive Page wrote in message ...
In article , D7666 writes Why ask such a question ? Since BedPan / Thameslink electrification WH PSB has sucessfully managed to run the same railway for 15 years without routing HST to Moorgate - or 319s to Junction Road Junction or any other non-electrified diverging route, why would you except this happen now. The sort of comment you have made is what leads to uninformed nonsense appearing on the media after an accident. But about a year ago one of the WH signallers did manage to route a Thameslink train across a non-electrified cross-over near Flitwick. As a result services were badly disrupted for around 24 hours, and I got home a couple of hours late. I remember that day well. My 2-car 158 from Leicester to Birmingham was absolutely crush loaded. |
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