Stansted to Barking
 

Arriving at Stansted Airport, suppose I'll take the Stansted
Express/Skytrain to Liverpool Street Station.

To go to Barking, may I be dropped along the route or I must go first
at Liverpool Str Station, then from there take the tube?

For instance, dropping at Tottenham Hale allow me to reach Barking
easily?

Or exists a better alternative?

Tnx for your feedback

Stansted to Barking
 

"Jiminy" wrote in message
...
Arriving at Stansted Airport, suppose I'll take the Stansted
Express/Skytrain to Liverpool Street Station.

To go to Barking, may I be dropped along the route or I must go first
at Liverpool Str Station, then from there take the tube?

For instance, dropping at Tottenham Hale allow me to reach Barking
easily?

Or exists a better alternative?

Tottenham Hale to Barking involves one stop on the victoria to blackhorse
road, then a train to barking. The easiest way is Train to Liverpool street
and then H&C to barking.

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Stansted to Barking
 

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:13:25 GMT, Jiminy wrote:

Arriving at Stansted Airport, suppose I'll take the Stansted
Express/Skytrain to Liverpool Street Station.

To go to Barking, may I be dropped along the route or I must go first
at Liverpool Str Station, then from there take the tube?

For instance, dropping at Tottenham Hale allow me to reach Barking
easily?

Or exists a better alternative?

You could catch the National Express A9 coach to Stratford and then
local bus 238 or

http://www.nationalexpress.com/nxairport/stansted.cfm

http://www.busmap.org/tt/A09.pdf
http://www.busmap.org/tt/238.pdf

the same coach to Stratford then Jubilee Line to West Ham and then
District Line or H&C Line to Barking.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/colormap.pdf
http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/tubem...s/District.pdf
http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/tubem...circlehamm.pdf
http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/tubem...ps/Jubilee.pdf

Or Train to Tottenham Hale then 123 bus to Ilford then bus 169, 179 or
369 to Barking. The 123 stops right outside Tottenham Hale station
(stop V on the map) in the little bus station area while it is a simple
change between buses in Ilford (get off at stop N) and get on at stop L.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/pdf/tottenham.pdf
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/pdf/ilford.pdf

http://www.busmap.org/tt/123.pdf
http://www.busmap.org/tt/169.pdf
http://www.busmap.org/tt/179.pdf
http://www.busmap.org/tt/369.pdf

All the buses are frequent and are only £1 per journey.
--
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Stansted to Barking
 

In article ,
Paul Weaver wrote:
Tottenham Hale to Barking involves one stop on the victoria to blackhorse
road, then a train to barking.

These trains run every half hour.

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Stansted to Barking
 

Jiminy wrote to uk.transport.london on Fri, 24 Sep 2004:

Arriving at Stansted Airport, suppose I'll take the Stansted
Express/Skytrain to Liverpool Street Station.

To go to Barking, may I be dropped along the route or I must go first
at Liverpool Str Station, then from there take the tube?

For instance, dropping at Tottenham Hale allow me to reach Barking
easily?

If you want to go on the Tube, then Liverpool Street is your best bet,
as it is on the Hammersmith and City Line, which will take you direct to
Barking. That would be the quickest way as far as I know.
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Stansted to Barking
 

"Paul Weaver" wrote in message ...
"Jiminy" wrote in message
...
Arriving at Stansted Airport, suppose I'll take the Stansted
Express/Skytrain to Liverpool Street Station.

To go to Barking, may I be dropped along the route or I must go first
at Liverpool Str Station, then from there take the tube?

For instance, dropping at Tottenham Hale allow me to reach Barking
easily?

Or exists a better alternative?

Tottenham Hale to Barking involves one stop on the victoria to blackhorse
road, then a train to barking. The easiest way is Train to Liverpool street
and then H&C to barking.

I agree, I don't think there's anything to be gained by not going all
the way to London Liverpool St. Looking at my London Connections map
suggests there is a limited train (as opposed to London Underground)
service from Liverpool St direct to Barking; I imagine this is a
peak-hours-only service, so your best bet would probably be to take
the Hammersmith&City line as suggested.

ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor
connections doesn't it!

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Replies to group please

Stansted to Barking
 

"LarryLard" wrote in message
om...

Looking at my London Connections map
suggests there is a limited train (as opposed
to London Underground) service from Liverpool St
direct to Barking; I imagine this is a
peak-hours-only service

No, it's a very-late-night-only service.

ObUTL: Looking again at this map:
the GOBLin has really poor connections doesn't it!

The most irritating thing is that there is easily room to relocate the
Tottenham Hale WAGN platforms south of Ferry Road, in which case they would
stretch pretty much all the way to the Goblin Line where (I think) there is
room to build platforms. But since the WAGN platforms have recently had
shelters and escalators installed, I don't think they're going anywhere.

--
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GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
 

On 24 Sep 2004, LarryLard wrote:

ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor
connections doesn't it!

It's got a lot of 'near misses', though:

Upper Holloway - Archway
Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay
South Tottenham - Seven Sisters
Wathamstow Queens Road - Walthamstow Central
Wanstead Park - Forest Gate
Leytonstone High Road - Leytonstone
Woodgrange Park - Manor Park

All of those are a few hundred metres apart, which isn't that much of a
walk - probably less than the walks inside a larger tube station.

In fact, what is the longest interchange walk inside one station? I'd
guess it was Central to Circle at Bank. Or perhaps W&C to Circle.

tom

--
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Stansted to Barking
 

(LarryLard) wrote the following in:
om


I agree, I don't think there's anything to be gained by not going
all the way to London Liverpool St. Looking at my London
Connections map suggests there is a limited train (as opposed to
London Underground) service from Liverpool St direct to Barking; I
imagine this is a peak-hours-only service, so your best bet would
probably be to take the Hammersmith&City line as suggested.

Actually it's a late at night only service.

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Stansted to Barking
 

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, John Rowland wrote:

"LarryLard" wrote in message
om...

Looking at my London Connections map suggests there is a limited train
(as opposed to London Underground) service from Liverpool St direct to
Barking; I imagine this is a peak-hours-only service

No, it's a very-late-night-only service.

Yes, it's C2C LTS line trains, which run to Fenchurch Street in the day,
but use Liverpool Street at night. LTUC did a report on the possibility of
using Fenchurch Street all the time ('Which Street for Southend?'), and it
has an absolutely priceless observation:

4.9 Staff views

4.9.1 Passenger trains are run for the benefit of their users, not of
their staff, and the views of operating staff were not sought in the
course of this survey. Nevertheless, it is worth recording that LTUC's
surveyors were approached spontaneously by a number of c2c's train staff
at Fenchurch Street and of other train companies' station staff at
Liverpool Street. The train staff all expressed a strong preference for
Fenchurch Street, which they saw as their home territory (with the staff
amenities they regularly used) and as a less challenging route to operate.
The station staff also favoured the removal of c2c's trains from Liverpool
Street, as these trains were perceived to have a particularly challenging
clientele with whom it was necessary to cope.

I don't know if you've ever been at Liverpool Street while it's full of
Essex boys and girls on their way home after a night out, but
"particularly challenging" is a pretty good description!

ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor
connections doesn't it!

The most irritating thing is that there is easily room to relocate the
Tottenham Hale WAGN platforms south of Ferry Road, in which case they
would stretch pretty much all the way to the Goblin Line where (I think)
there is room to build platforms.

Where abouts are the Victoria Line platforms, though?

tom

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Stansted to Barking
 

"Jiminy" a écrit dans le message de
...
Arriving at Stansted Airport, suppose I'll take the Stansted
Express/Skytrain to Liverpool Street Station.

To go to Barking, may I be dropped along the route or I must go first
at Liverpool Str Station, then from there take the tube?

For instance, dropping at Tottenham Hale allow me to reach Barking
easily?

Or exists a better alternative?

Tnx for your feedback

As nobody here has so far pointed out, there's an on-line journey planner
which is smart enough to look at the various routes; the URL is:
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/planmyjourney/

You don't say exactly when you want to travel, so I can't give you more
specific advice, but just looking at the next few journeys indicates that
changing at Tottenham Hale & Blackhorse Rd. is the fastest (1h 29 min),
while walking from Liverpool St to Fenchurch St would give 1h 35min. It
even considers changing at Hackney (Downs/Central) & W. Ham but that's even
slower...

Regards,

- Alan (in Brussels - mind the spamtrap)

Stansted to Barking
 

"Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message
...

"Jiminy" a écrit dans le message de
...
Arriving at Stansted Airport, suppose I'll take the Stansted
Express/Skytrain to Liverpool Street Station.

To go to Barking, may I be dropped along the route or I must go first
at Liverpool Str Station, then from there take the tube?

For instance, dropping at Tottenham Hale allow me to reach Barking
easily?

Or exists a better alternative?

Tnx for your feedback

As nobody here has so far pointed out, there's an on-line journey planner
which is smart enough to look at the various routes; the URL is:
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/planmyjourney/

You don't say exactly when you want to travel, so I can't give you more
specific advice, but just looking at the next few journeys indicates that
changing at Tottenham Hale & Blackhorse Rd. is the fastest (1h 29 min),
while walking from Liverpool St to Fenchurch St would give 1h 35min. It
even considers changing at Hackney (Downs/Central) & W. Ham but that's
even
slower...

I wouldn't pay much attention to those times. For example it allows about 40
minutes to get one stop on the Victoria line from Tottenham Hale to
Blackhorse Road and a similar time to walk 1/2 mile from Liv St to Fen St.
It doesn't even mention the most obvious route of Hammersmith and City line.

The TfL Journey Planner http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk gives times of
about 1h15 for both the GOBLin from Blackhorse Rd and the H&C from Liverpool
Street. I would suggest going via Liverpool Street as the frequency is much
better.

Peter Smyth

Stansted to Barking
 

"Peter Smyth" a écrit dans le message de
...

"Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in
message
...

"Jiminy" a écrit dans le message de
...
Arriving at Stansted Airport, suppose I'll take the Stansted
Express/Skytrain to Liverpool Street Station.

To go to Barking, may I be dropped along the route or I must go first
at Liverpool Str Station, then from there take the tube?

For instance, dropping at Tottenham Hale allow me to reach Barking
easily?

Or exists a better alternative?

Tnx for your feedback

As nobody here has so far pointed out, there's an on-line journey
planner
which is smart enough to look at the various routes; the URL is:
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/planmyjourney/

You don't say exactly when you want to travel, so I can't give you more
specific advice, but just looking at the next few journeys indicates
that
changing at Tottenham Hale & Blackhorse Rd. is the fastest (1h 29 min),
while walking from Liverpool St to Fenchurch St would give 1h 35min. It
even considers changing at Hackney (Downs/Central) & W. Ham but that's
even
slower...

I wouldn't pay much attention to those times. For example it allows about
40
minutes to get one stop on the Victoria line from Tottenham Hale to
Blackhorse Road and a similar time to walk 1/2 mile from Liv St to Fen St.
It doesn't even mention the most obvious route of Hammersmith and City
line.

The TfL Journey Planner http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk gives times of
about 1h15 for both the GOBLin from Blackhorse Rd and the H&C from
Liverpool
Street. I would suggest going via Liverpool Street as the frequency is
much
better.

I agree with your conclusion, but not your analysis of the data from the NR
journey planner. The apparently long time allowances for the connections are
due mainly to the infrequent train services concerned - if the trains are
running every half hour, it's obviously better to build in a safety margin,
and so maybe 25 of the 40 minutes for the Victoria Line connection would be
spent just waiting...

IOW, you may well prefer what seems like a longer overall journey if you can
be sure that typical train lateness has little impact on its overall
duration. And maybe one day we'll have terminals on platforms that allow us
to check real-time running en-route ;-)

Regards,

- Alan (in Brussels)

Stansted to Barking
 

"Alan \(in Brussels\)" wrote in
:


"Jiminy" a écrit dans le message de
...
Arriving at Stansted Airport, suppose I'll take the Stansted
Express/Skytrain to Liverpool Street Station.

To go to Barking, may I be dropped along the route or I must go first
at Liverpool Str Station, then from there take the tube?

For instance, dropping at Tottenham Hale allow me to reach Barking
easily?

Or exists a better alternative?

Tnx for your feedback

As nobody here has so far pointed out, there's an on-line journey
planner which is smart enough to look at the various routes; the URL
is: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/planmyjourney/

You don't say exactly when you want to travel, so I can't give you more
specific advice, but just looking at the next few journeys indicates
that changing at Tottenham Hale & Blackhorse Rd. is the fastest (1h 29
min), while walking from Liverpool St to Fenchurch St would give 1h
35min. It even considers changing at Hackney (Downs/Central) & W. Ham
but that's even slower...

Regards,

- Alan (in Brussels - mind the spamtrap)




Even better, try tfl's version (via www.tfl.gov.uk) which has intimate
knowledge of the times of tube trains (national rail's version struggles
with first and last trains).

Lunchtime tomorrow came up with 1hr 17mins via Liverpool Street and Mile
End or 1hr 15mins, 1hr 17 mins, 1 hr 19mins or 1hr 21mins direct from
Liverpool Street to Barking on the H&C. H&C runs every 8 minutes at that
time, journey planner knows and works to the exact schedule, though (except
for first and last trains) this is being a bit precise for me!

With luggage its an easy decision to go for the direct train. (Note:
Journey Planner doesn't understand National Rail fares so the £3.00+ means
£3.00 plus the £ 13.80 single from Stansted to London).

Transport Direct (the new cross modal UK wide planner, see Rodger Ford's
column in Modern Railways) at www.transportdirect.co.uk also came up with
the route via Liverpool Street and Mile End but quoted 2hrs 17mins after
allowing 68 minutes for the 8 minute walk from Liverpool Street (National
Rail) to Liverpool Street (Underground)...

Stansted to Barking
 

In article ,
LarryLard wrote:
ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor
connections doesn't it!

Not as bad as they appear; it's got same-station interchanges with the
SSL at Barking; about 7min walk to the Central (Leytonstone-Leytonstone);
same station to the Victoria at Blackhorse Road; and about 5 minute to the
Northern Line (Upper Holloway - Archway).

The real probelem with it is that it's 2tph, 2 car, and appears to
be standing room only for much of the day.

--
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GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
 

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:16 +0100 Tom Anderson
said...

ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor
connections doesn't it!

It's got a lot of 'near misses', though:

Upper Holloway - Archway

Crouch Hill - Finsbury Park

Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay

Also Manor House

South Tottenham - Seven Sisters

--
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London, UK
Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
 

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Phil Richards wrote:

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:16 +0100 Tom Anderson
said...

ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor
connections doesn't it!

It's got a lot of 'near misses', though:

Upper Holloway - Archway

Crouch Hill - Finsbury Park

Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay

Also Manor House

True. In fact, once you look at it like this, the GOBLin is one of the
best-connected lines in London!

tom

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Stansted to Barking
 

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:00:26 +0100, Annabel Smyth
wrote:

If you want to go on the Tube, then Liverpool Street is your best bet,
as it is on the Hammersmith and City Line, which will take you direct to
Barking. That would be the quickest way as far as I know.

Thank you ALL!

Stansted to Barking
 

In article 0, David
Jackman writes
the 8 minute walk from Liverpool Street (National
Rail) to Liverpool Street (Underground)...

8? It's under a minute from the platforms the Stansted Express uses to
the Eastbound H&C. Even worst case (Westbound H&C to platform 18) is
only 2 or 3 minutes.


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Stansted to Barking
 

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:14:47 +0000, Mike Bristow wrote:

In article ,
LarryLard wrote:
ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor
connections doesn't it!

Not as bad as they appear; it's got same-station interchanges with the
SSL at Barking; about 7min walk to the Central (Leytonstone-Leytonstone);
same station to the Victoria at Blackhorse Road; and about 5 minute to the
Northern Line (Upper Holloway - Archway).

The real probelem with it is that it's 2tph, 2 car, and appears to
be standing room only for much of the day.

THe other real problem is the lack of connections show on a map. If there
was a dotted line between the two leytonstones, with 500 yards, and the
route was fully signposted, there wouldn't be a problem.

GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
 

Phil Richards wrote:
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:16 +0100 Tom Anderson
ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor
connections doesn't it!

It's got a lot of 'near misses', though:
Upper Holloway - Archway
Crouch Hill - Finsbury Park
Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay
Also Manor House
South Tottenham - Seven Sisters

It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many
non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not
much sign of Ken improving things either.

Of course, if they had usable interchanges, they'd need frequent and
longer trains to carry the passengers they'd divert from overloaded
tube trains.

Colin McKenzie

GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
 

Colin McKenzie wrote:
Phil Richards wrote:

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:16 +0100 Tom Anderson

ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor
connections doesn't it!


It's got a lot of 'near misses', though:
Upper Holloway - Archway

Crouch Hill - Finsbury Park

Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay

Also Manor House

South Tottenham - Seven Sisters


It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many
non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not
much sign of Ken improving things either.

Of course, if they had usable interchanges, they'd need frequent and
longer trains to carry the passengers they'd divert from overloaded tube
trains.

Colin McKenzie

The problem with this is that the Goblin is earmarked as a freight route
rather than a passenger one, and in order to increase passenger service
frequency on the North London Line, the Goblin will have to take more
freight - condemning it to an ever-poor passenger service.

--
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Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Stansted to Barking
 

Alan (in Brussels) wrote to uk.transport.london on Fri, 24 Sep 2004:

IOW, you may well prefer what seems like a longer overall journey if you can
be sure that typical train lateness has little impact on its overall
duration. And maybe one day we'll have terminals on platforms that allow us
to check real-time running en-route ;-)

But why faff about when there are trains every 15 minutes from Stansted
to Liverpool Street, and then Tube trains every few minutes on the
Hammersmith & City Line to Barking? I can't think why you'd want to go
to Fenchurch Street in the first place?
--
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http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 11 September 2004

GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
 

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:43:49 +0100 Colin McKenzie
said...

It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many
non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not
much sign of Ken improving things either.

When it comes to interchanges (other than buses) then, no as that would
require huge reconstruction projects, re-routing lines etc.

However I think you'll find with "London Rail" rail services within the
TfL area will be going through some changes over the next few years.
Certainly TfL will have more say over service provision and (at long
last) hopefully are fares structure based on that of the tube - i.e. zone
to zone rather than point to point.

--
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London, UK
Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Stansted to Barking
 

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:26:35 +0100 Clive D. W. Feather clive@on-the-
train.demon.co.uk said...

8? It's under a minute from the platforms the Stansted Express uses to
the Eastbound H&C. Even worst case (Westbound H&C to platform 18) is
only 2 or 3 minutes.

No doubt the 8 minutes interchange is that built in to the journey
planner. May be for someone who has no luggage and is physically fit may
easily cope with the connection in a couple of minutes, other situations
may be different.

--
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London, UK
Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

Stansted to Barking
 

Phil Richards wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:26:35 +0100 Clive D. W. Feather
clive@on-the- train.demon.co.uk said...

8? It's under a minute from the platforms the Stansted Express
uses to the Eastbound H&C. Even worst case (Westbound H&C to
platform 18) is only 2 or 3 minutes.

No doubt the 8 minutes interchange is that built in to the journey
planner. May be for someone who has no luggage and is physically
fit may easily cope with the connection in a couple of minutes,
other situations may be different.

The Journey Planner defaults to "Average" walking speed, which is quite
slow. I usually (if I remember) change it to "Fast", which used to be
about 3 mph. However the new version of the TfL JP has changed my
normal 10-minute walk to my local tube station to 16 minutes, so I'm not
sure what they're up to.

I've just tried to see what they use for Liverpool Street transfer
times, but they seem to have stopped quoting transfer times, which
further damages my confidence in the JP. (It seems to be giving ever
more bizarre results. For a journey yesterday, it asked me to get off a
bus in mid-journey and wait for the one behind on the same route with
the same destination! It also warned me about Hammersmith & City Line
delays on my *bus* route.)
--
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(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
 

Colin McKenzie wrote:

Phil Richards wrote:
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:02:16 +0100 Tom Anderson
ObUTL: Looking again at this map: the GOBLin has really poor
connections doesn't it!

It's got a lot of 'near misses', though:
Upper Holloway - Archway
Crouch Hill - Finsbury Park

Over 1km away!

Harringay Green Lanes - Harringay

Those stations aren't close, but the line is. The GOBLIN should really
serve both.

Also Manor House

That's more a case of poor Tube design - 'tis the Piccadilly Line which
fails to have a station in the right place.

South Tottenham - Seven Sisters

It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many
non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not
much sign of Ken improving things either.

Of course, if they had usable interchanges, they'd need frequent and
longer trains to carry the passengers they'd divert from overloaded
tube trains.

No, just frequent trains - or frequent trams!

GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
 

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004, Phil Richards wrote:

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:43:49 +0100 Colin McKenzie
said...

It's a disgrace that both the Goblin and the North London have so many
non-interchanges after 50 years of nationalised railways. There's not
much sign of Ken improving things either.

When it comes to interchanges (other than buses) then, no as that would
require huge reconstruction projects, re-routing lines etc.

Not necessarily - there are a number of places where lines cross where
interchange stations could be built (or even where extra platforms could
be added to an existing station), without needing to move any lines.
Granted, this can still be quite expensive, but it's hardly 'huge
reconstruction'.

tom

--
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GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
 

In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

In fact, what is the longest interchange walk inside one station? I'd
guess it was Central to Circle at Bank. Or perhaps W&C to Circle.

I don't count those as inside one station. I count the Northern Line and
Docklands as inside two stations.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
 

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:33:18 +0930 Aidan Stanger
said...

Also Manor House

That's more a case of poor Tube design - 'tis the Piccadilly Line which
fails to have a station in the right place.

Some while back I raised a similar point about why there is such a big
station-less gap on the Piccadilly Line between Manor House and Turnpike
Lane. The answer given was that stations were located near to tram
interchanges when the line got built.

Ideally a station in the vicinity of the junction of Green Lanes & St
Ann's Road would be best IMO.

--
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London N4, UK
Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
 

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004, Barry Salter wrote:

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:33:18 +0930, (Aidan Stanger)
wrote:

Colin McKenzie wrote:

Also Manor House

That's more a case of poor Tube design - 'tis the Piccadilly Line which
fails to have a station in the right place.

If memory serves, don't the Piccadilly and Victoria Lines cross
somewhere in the vicinity of Harringay Green Lanes Station?

According to Simon Clarke's geographical tube map, those lines don't cross
anywhere north of King's Cross. He might be wrong, though.

Or did you mean the crossing of the GOBLin and the Victoria?

tom

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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004, Barry Salter wrote:

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:33:18 +0930, (Aidan
Stanger) wrote:

Colin McKenzie wrote:

Also Manor House

That's more a case of poor Tube design - 'tis the Piccadilly Line
which fails to have a station in the right place.

If memory serves, don't the Piccadilly and Victoria Lines cross
somewhere in the vicinity of Harringay Green Lanes Station?

According to Simon Clarke's geographical tube map, those lines
don't cross anywhere north of King's Cross. He might be wrong,
though.

He is, and not only there. According to the TfL Journey Planner, the
Victoria line crosses the Piccadilly near Rowley Gardens bus stop on
Green Lanes. Ask it for a journey from Seven Sisters to Manor House and
look at the "end map" for Manor House on a route which uses both lines.
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"Richard J." wrote in message
...

According to the TfL Journey Planner, the Victoria line
crosses the Piccadilly near Rowley Gardens bus stop
on Green Lanes. Ask it for a journey from Seven Sisters
to Manor House and look at the "end map" for Manor
House on a route which uses both lines.

Portrayal of tube lines on these maps is random. I can't comment on the
portrayal of the Victoria Line here, but the Central Line at Shepherds Bush
is clearly wrong, as is the portrayal of the W&C at Waterloo.

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In article ,
Richard J. wrote:
It also warned me about Hammersmith & City Line
delays on my *bus* route.)

This might not be _totally_ stupid; delays on the H&C might increase
loadings on parallel bus routes, which would increase journey times
on the busses too.

Of course, if the bus route was the W14 then that explaination
doesn't hold up.

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John Rowland wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message
...

According to the TfL Journey Planner, the Victoria line
crosses the Piccadilly near Rowley Gardens bus stop
on Green Lanes. Ask it for a journey from Seven Sisters
to Manor House and look at the "end map" for Manor
House on a route which uses both lines.

Portrayal of tube lines on these maps is random. I can't comment on
the portrayal of the Victoria Line here, but the Central Line at
Shepherds Bush is clearly wrong, as is the portrayal of the W&C at
Waterloo.

OK, so it's not perfect, but it's certainly not random. I'd say it gets
closer to the true geographic route of the tube lines than any modern
map that I've seen.

For example, ask it for a route from NW1 4PT (postcode) to Westminster
(station). You should get a walk to Baker Street followed by one tube
journey (Jubilee). Click on the Start Map for the walk, and you'll see
the rather surprising but reasonably accurate course of the Jubilee Line
"south" of Baker Street.
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"Richard J." wrote in message ...
Phil Richards wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:26:35 +0100 Clive D. W. Feather
clive@on-the- train.demon.co.uk said...

8? It's under a minute from the platforms the Stansted Express
uses to the Eastbound H&C. Even worst case (Westbound H&C to
platform 18) is only 2 or 3 minutes.

No doubt the 8 minutes interchange is that built in to the journey
planner. May be for someone who has no luggage and is physically
fit may easily cope with the connection in a couple of minutes,
other situations may be different.

The Journey Planner defaults to "Average" walking speed, which is quite
slow. I usually (if I remember) change it to "Fast", which used to be
about 3 mph. However the new version of the TfL JP has changed my
normal 10-minute walk to my local tube station to 16 minutes, so I'm not
sure what they're up to.

I've just tried to see what they use for Liverpool Street transfer
times, but they seem to have stopped quoting transfer times, which
further damages my confidence in the JP. (It seems to be giving ever
more bizarre results. For a journey yesterday, it asked me to get off a
bus in mid-journey and wait for the one behind on the same route with
the same destination! It also warned me about Hammersmith & City Line
delays on my *bus* route.)

If you want a real laugh try www.transportdirect.info

First it offered car (46 minutes) on the M11, A414, A406, A118, A123,
and A124.

After I told the sodding thing not to drive, it declared that there
was no way of getting from Stansted Airport to Barking by public
transport...

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In article , Tom
Anderson writes
If memory serves, don't the Piccadilly and Victoria Lines cross
somewhere in the vicinity of Harringay Green Lanes Station?
According to Simon Clarke's geographical tube map, those lines don't cross
anywhere north of King's Cross. He might be wrong, though.

The northbound Victoria and southbound Piccadilly cross south of
Finsbury Park, for a start.

Apart from that, my memory is that the Victoria is always east of the
Piccadilly north of Finsbury Park. However, I'm not 100% sure and will
have to do some digging.

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"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote in
:

Apart from that, my memory is that the Victoria is always east of the
Piccadilly north of Finsbury Park. However, I'm not 100% sure and
will have to do some digging.

Surely that's rather an extreme method of finding out! :-)

GOBLIN connections was Stansted to Barking
 

In article , Iain
writes
However, I'm not 100% sure and
will have to do some digging.
Surely that's rather an extreme method of finding out! :-)

Sometimes one can't resist leaving a straight line in and seeing who
bites.

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Iain wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 30 Sep 2004:

"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote in
:

Apart from that, my memory is that the Victoria is always east of the
Piccadilly north of Finsbury Park. However, I'm not 100% sure and
will have to do some digging.

Surely that's rather an extreme method of finding out! :-)

ROTFL! Excellent!!!
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