Ian Walker wrote in message ...
In article ,
"Solar Penguin" wrote:

--- Ian Smith said:
On 16 Oct 2004 05:58:53 -0700, Silas Denyer
wrote:

(yes, lives - cyclist hitting pedestrian can and
does result in death).

How many per annum on average?

That isn't the point - widespread lawlessness amongst one section of
the road-using community will IMHO inevitably lead to an increase in
the same or similar behaviour by other sections.

Would you countenance motor scooters riding on pavements (often slower
than many "head-down" cyclists)? Should all road users consider red
lights as optional?


And how many would you consider acceptable? How many pedestrians per
annum do you think are expendable?

Apparently society thinks the answer is 'quite a few'. We could have no
pedestrians dying if we, say, banned vehicles or imposed 1 mph speed
limits everywhere, but we don't. Therefore, to society, however many
pedestrians die each year is the 'right' number given the advantages
vehicles offer. I'm not saying I approve, I'm just saying that tacitly,
society /does/ count some people as expendable.

This isn't my point at all.

Do you agree with the laws about red lights? 1. Yes / 2. No

Do you believe that such laws should not apply to cyclists? 1. Yes /
2. No

If your score is 2 then we're all in trouble.

Regards

Silas



Ian