In message , Bored Of The
Rings writes

Whatever happened to the extension south of E&C?

The 1949 plan shown on the map was abandoned because of cost (before the
war a similar plan had been curtailed to just a 515-foot siding beyond
Elephant).

and where was it gonna be extended to?

In that particular incarnation, Camberwell (Green). For more detail, see
the History section of:

http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/bakerloo.html

--
Paul Terry

Paul Terry wrote in message ...
In message , Bored Of The
Rings writes

Whatever happened to the extension south of E&C?

The 1949 plan shown on the map was abandoned because of cost (before the
war a similar plan had been curtailed to just a 515-foot siding beyond
Elephant).

and where was it gonna be extended to?

In that particular incarnation, Camberwell (Green). For more detail, see
the History section of:

http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/bakerloo.html

Later, as http://www.addington3.freeserve.co.uk/tranmon3.html
explains, the JLE proposal was originally a BLE proposal.

Paul Terry wrote in message ...
In message , Bored Of The
Rings writes

Whatever happened to the extension south of E&C?

The 1949 plan shown on the map was abandoned because of cost (before the
war a similar plan had been curtailed to just a 515-foot siding beyond
Elephant).

and where was it gonna be extended to?

In that particular incarnation, Camberwell (Green). For more detail, see
the History section of:

http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/bakerloo.html

ISTR hearing a long time ago that there were murmurings of this
proposal staging Yet Another Comeback.

Personally I think it will never see the light of day, unless Kenny L
can find the cash in his 3bilGBP TfL package.

TheOneKEA wrote:
Paul Terry wrote in message ...

In message , Bored Of The
Rings writes


Whatever happened to the extension south of E&C?

The 1949 plan shown on the map was abandoned because of cost (before the
war a similar plan had been curtailed to just a 515-foot siding beyond
Elephant).


and where was it gonna be extended to?

In that particular incarnation, Camberwell (Green). For more detail, see
the History section of:

http://www.davros.org/rail/culg/bakerloo.html


ISTR hearing a long time ago that there were murmurings of this
proposal staging Yet Another Comeback.

Personally I think it will never see the light of day, unless Kenny L
can find the cash in his 3bilGBP TfL package.

Certainly little likelihood at the moment at Cross River Transit covers
a significant proportion of Walworth and Peckham (although not Camberwell).
http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/2

Transport plans for Walworth Road and Camberwell include re-opening the
former stations there, on the Thameslink service to Sutton/Wimbledon.
Those plans are very sketchy though.
http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/57

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote in message ...
TheOneKEA wrote:
ISTR hearing a long time ago that there were murmurings of this
proposal staging Yet Another Comeback.

Personally I think it will never see the light of day, unless Kenny L
can find the cash in his 3bilGBP TfL package.

Certainly little likelihood at the moment at Cross River Transit covers
a significant proportion of Walworth and Peckham (although not Camberwell).
http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/2

Fascinating.


Transport plans for Walworth Road and Camberwell include re-opening the
former stations there, on the Thameslink service to Sutton/Wimbledon.
Those plans are very sketchy though.
http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/57

Anything is better than nothing; it's just that old frequency chestnut
popping up again - Camberwell would likely have three platforms for
reversing, which means higher, more stable Bakerloo frequencies.
Meaning a better service for Camberwell.

How many tph run on the Sutton/Wimbledon lines near Walworth Road and
Camberwell, and if they stop, how much service wreckage will there be?
(This assumes that the route is double track).

TheOneKEA wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote in message ...

TheOneKEA wrote:

ISTR hearing a long time ago that there were murmurings of this
proposal staging Yet Another Comeback.

Personally I think it will never see the light of day, unless Kenny L
can find the cash in his 3bilGBP TfL package.

Certainly little likelihood at the moment at Cross River Transit covers
a significant proportion of Walworth and Peckham (although not Camberwell).
http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/2


Fascinating.


Transport plans for Walworth Road and Camberwell include re-opening the
former stations there, on the Thameslink service to Sutton/Wimbledon.
Those plans are very sketchy though.
http://www.alwaystouchout.com/project/57


Anything is better than nothing; it's just that old frequency chestnut
popping up again - Camberwell would likely have three platforms for
reversing, which means higher, more stable Bakerloo frequencies.
Meaning a better service for Camberwell.

I don't think there's any doubt that a Bakerloo extension would provide
a much better service to Camberwell; it's all about the cost really. A
cost-benefit analysis would prove illuminating; this is a busy bus
corridor and the Bakerloo must have unused capacity on northbound trains
from Elephant & Castle in the morning peak (and vice versa in the evening).

How many tph run on the Sutton/Wimbledon lines near Walworth Road and
Camberwell, and if they stop, how much service wreckage will there be?
(This assumes that the route is double track).

4tph in each direction with little scope for increase under the current
Thameslink 2000 proposals.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote to uk.transport.london on Mon, 1 Nov 2004:

I don't think there's any doubt that a Bakerloo extension would provide
a much better service to Camberwell; it's all about the cost really. A
cost-benefit analysis would prove illuminating; this is a busy bus
corridor and the Bakerloo must have unused capacity on northbound
trains from Elephant & Castle in the morning peak (and vice versa in the
evening).

It certainly does in the evening - if I want to go to Paddington, as
very occasionally I do, from where I live between Brixton and Clapham, I
find I have an infinitely more pleasant journey if I take the Northern
Line to the Elephant, or even to Waterloo, and change there, rather than
trying to get on a Bakerloo Line train at Oxford Circus. The train
fills at Waterloo and Charing Cross, but between Elephant and Waterloo
it's practically empty.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/
Website updated 31 October 2004

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Paul Terry wrote in message ...
In message , Bored Of The
Rings writes

Whatever happened to the extension south of E&C?

The 1949 plan shown on the map was abandoned because of cost (before the
war a similar plan had been curtailed to just a 515-foot siding beyond
Elephant).

and where was it gonna be extended to?

A few years ago there was still an illuminated sign at the bottom of
the escalators at Warwick Avenue which showed 'Camberwell' (I'm not
sure if it said 'Green') after Elephant & Castle. It had been painted
out, but some of the paint had come off, and you could make out what
it said.