This morning I took the Bakerloo southbound from Waterloo, and noticed
that the route maps opposite the platforms appeared to have been
blanked off after Elephant & Castle, suggesting truncation of the
line. A little research reveals various plans for southern extensions
over the years, but with very little having happened on the ground
apart from what became glorified headshunts at Elephant & Castle. It
seems strange, therefore, that maps were put in place for these
extensions before the tunnels were dug - unless the maps had to be
replaced for other reasons and the blanking panels were designed for
later removal. The other odd thing is that the Waterloo - Lambeth
North - Elephant & Castle section of the map (which of course is the
only section shown opposite the southbound platforms) appears to take
up only about the first quarter of the map, suggesting room for at
least six more stations - as I understand it there have never been
more than another three planned.

Can anyone explain this?

Steve Adams

On 25 Apr 2007 05:57:14 -0700, Steve wrote:

This morning I took the Bakerloo southbound from Waterloo, and noticed
that the route maps opposite the platforms appeared to have been
blanked off after Elephant & Castle, suggesting truncation of the
line. A little research reveals various plans for southern extensions
over the years, but with very little having happened on the ground
apart from what became glorified headshunts at Elephant & Castle. It
seems strange, therefore, that maps were put in place for these
extensions before the tunnels were dug - unless the maps had to be
replaced for other reasons and the blanking panels were designed for
later removal.

That's probably the reason. As discussed in a previous thread in
u.t.l, line diagrams that have been replaced at Piccadilly Line
stations in the last couple of years during station refurbishments
already show the Heathrow T5 extension (and in most cases it isn't
even covered up).

Pic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:P..._Extension.JPG

In article .com,
(Steve) wrote:

This morning I took the Bakerloo southbound from Waterloo, and
noticed that the route maps opposite the platforms appeared to have
been
blanked off after Elephant & Castle, suggesting truncation of the
line. A little research reveals various plans for southern
extensions over the years, but with very little having happened on
the ground apart from what became glorified headshunts at Elephant &
Castle. It seems strange, therefore, that maps were put in place for
these extensions before the tunnels were dug - unless the maps had to
be
replaced for other reasons and the blanking panels were designed for
later removal. The other odd thing is that the Waterloo - Lambeth
North - Elephant & Castle section of the map (which of course is the
only section shown opposite the southbound platforms) appears to
take up only about the first quarter of the map, suggesting room for at
least six more stations - as I understand it there have never been
more than another three planned.

Can anyone explain this?

Trains were ordered for the Camberwell extensions. A few signs look cheap
by comparison.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article .com,
Steve writes
This morning I took the Bakerloo southbound from Waterloo
[...]
unless the maps had to be
replaced for other reasons and the blanking panels were designed for
later removal.

This is not an uncommon approach.

The other odd thing is that the Waterloo - Lambeth
North - Elephant & Castle section of the map (which of course is the
only section shown opposite the southbound platforms) appears to take
up only about the first quarter of the map, suggesting room for at
least six more stations - as I understand it there have never been
more than another three planned.

At one point there was a proposal for a Camden-Town-like junction in the
area, allowing Bakerloo Line trains to head for Morden as well as
Northern Line trains to head to Elephant and wherever the extension then
went. It might have had that in mind.

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Surely there are no signs left at Waterloo which dates before the
dreadful c.1990 re-signing project which wiped out 90% of the
Underground's signage heritage?

More likely this is a case of the new corporate ID rules taken to the
extreme. In the past the gaps between station 'ticks' was either
compressed or extended to allow the vertical line to fill most of the
enamel diagram.

After around 1990 the distances were more standardised, and if this
meant 75% of the sign was left blank, so be it!

Mind you at least one hanging glass sign in a Bakerloo Line lower
escalator circulating area had a painted out 'Camberwell' destination
below 'Elepant & Castle' and I have the photo to prove it.

The other odd thing is that the Waterloo - Lambeth
North - Elephant & Castle section of the map (which of course is the
only section shown opposite the southbound platforms) appears to take
up only about the first quarter of the map, suggesting room for at
least six more stations

Looking at more signs, I suspect it's just a case of a standard sign
size and a standard station spacing on the signs.

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On 26 Apr, 13:05, wrote:
Surely there are no signs left at Waterloo which dates before the
dreadful c.1990 re-signing project which wiped out 90% of the
Underground's signage heritage?

There really has been a lot of the Underground 'atmosphere' lost over
the last few years, and the present station refurbishments seem to be
continuing the trend.


Mind you at least one hanging glass sign in a Bakerloo Line lower
escalator circulating area had a painted out 'Camberwell' destination
below 'Elepant & Castle' and I have the photo to prove it.

Warwick Avenue?

wrote:
On 26 Apr, 13:05, wrote:
Surely there are no signs left at Waterloo which dates before the
dreadful c.1990 re-signing project which wiped out 90% of the
Underground's signage heritage?

There really has been a lot of the Underground 'atmosphere' lost over
the last few years, and the present station refurbishments seem to be
continuing the trend.


Mind you at least one hanging glass sign in a Bakerloo Line lower
escalator circulating area had a painted out 'Camberwell' destination
below 'Elepant & Castle' and I have the photo to prove it.

Warwick Avenue?

Vauxhall Cross :-)

On Apr 26, 4:42 pm, wrote:
On 26 Apr, 13:05, wrote:

Surely there are no signs left at Waterloo which dates before the
dreadful c.1990 re-signing project which wiped out 90% of the
Underground's signage heritage?

There really has been a lot of the Underground 'atmosphere' lost over
the last few years, and the present station refurbishments seem to be
continuing the trend.

Mind you at least one hanging glass sign in a Bakerloo Line lower
escalator circulating area had a painted out 'Camberwell' destination
below 'Elephant & Castle' and I have the photo to prove it.

Warwick Avenue?

Yes, I think so. In that area.

On 26 Apr, 23:32, wrote:
On Apr 26, 4:42 pm, wrote:

On 26 Apr, 13:05, wrote:

Surely there are no signs left at Waterloo which dates before the
dreadful c.1990 re-signing project which wiped out 90% of the
Underground's signage heritage?

There really has been a lot of the Underground 'atmosphere' lost over
the last few years, and the present station refurbishments seem to be
continuing the trend.

Mind you at least one hanging glass sign in a Bakerloo Line lower
escalator circulating area had a painted out 'Camberwell' destination
below 'Elephant & Castle' and I have the photo to prove it.

Warwick Avenue?

Yes, I think so. In that area.

The last sign was at Maida Vale possibly gone now due to refurb the
other 2 stations were Warwick Avenue & Kilburn Park.