Christopher Hay wrote:
Hi all,

I am after some info on car parking around Craven Cottage, Fulhams
home ground (if you didn't know)

I am going to be driving down from Newcastle and will be driving
straight back after the game on Tuesday night which is Australia vs
Norway.

Treat yourself to first class on GNER and get the tube to Fulham. Dinner
in the restaurant car on the way down and a few beers (and a kip) on the way
back ;-)

Treat yourself to first class on GNER and get the tube to Fulham. Dinner
in the restaurant car on the way down and a few beers (and a kip) on the way
back ;-)

I couldn't agree mo a more stupid and inconsiderate way of behaving (towards
us poor residents who actually have to live and work in the area) than driving
the whole way into Fulham's notoriously crowded streets and inflicting on us
the presence of your unwanted vehicle, I can hardly imagine.

Please, please, please do NOT drive to Fulham and do NOT park your car in our
already imossible-to-park-in-for-residents' streets. Also, please do NOT add to
the wall-to-wall traffic jams that are created for miles around at just the
times many of us are returning home (or tryng to but for the miles of traffic
jams) from work.

The sooner Fulham and Chelsea move their grounds to some quiet backwater where
their "fans" don't cause mayhem to anyoen within a 2-mile radius, the better.

Hardly ever in the history of human "sport" has so much misery been infected on
so many by so few.

Marc.

"Mait001" wrote in message
...
Treat yourself to first class on GNER and get the tube to Fulham.
Dinner
in the restaurant car on the way down and a few beers (and a kip) on the
way
back ;-)

I couldn't agree mo a more stupid and inconsiderate way of behaving
(towards
us poor residents who actually have to live and work in the area) than
driving
the whole way into Fulham's notoriously crowded streets and inflicting on
us
the presence of your unwanted vehicle, I can hardly imagine.

Please, please, please do NOT drive to Fulham and do NOT park your car in
our
already imossible-to-park-in-for-residents' streets. Also, please do NOT
add to
the wall-to-wall traffic jams that are created for miles around at just
the
times many of us are returning home (or tryng to but for the miles of
traffic
jams) from work.

The sooner Fulham and Chelsea move their grounds to some quiet backwater
where
their "fans" don't cause mayhem to anyoen within a 2-mile radius, the
better.

Hardly ever in the history of human "sport" has so much misery been
infected on
so many by so few.

Marc.

So Chris,

a heartfelt 'welcome to London' from Marc there!

Giles ;-)

So Chris,

a heartfelt 'welcome to London' from Marc there!

Giles ;-)

Well, actually, Giles, Chris is welcome (despite my general dislike of football
fans) but his car is most certainly not.

Marc.

"Mait001" wrote in message
...

The sooner Fulham and Chelsea move their grounds to some quiet backwater
where
their "fans" don't cause mayhem to anyoen within a 2-mile radius, the
better.

Hardly ever in the history of human "sport" has so much misery been
infected on
so many by so few.

Marc.


Fulham FC have been at Craven Cottage (except for that unavoidable two-year
sojourn at Loftus Road) for over 100 years. How long have you been in the
area? I think they have as much right as anyone to be in SW6. Moving away
from their spiritual home would be the death of the club.

--
Richard

Fulham FC have been at Craven Cottage (except for that unavoidable two-year
sojourn at Loftus Road) for over 100 years. How long have you been in the
area? I think they have as much right as anyone to be in SW6. Moving away
from their spiritual home would be the death of the club.

--
Richard


Actually, Richard, I have lived in the same house for my entire life (39
years), so would argue that my claim is at least as great.

At the time my parents bought this house (in 1963), football-generated car
traffic was virtually non-existent.

Now, it means that we can't leave the house on match days (we can't drive or
use public transport because of the traffic jams) and dare not return home
during weekday match times, unless we want to sit in the car for 2 or 3 hours
until the football fans have left.

Marc.

"Mait001" wrote in message
...
Fulham FC have been at Craven Cottage (except for that unavoidable
two-year
sojourn at Loftus Road) for over 100 years. How long have you been in the
area? I think they have as much right as anyone to be in SW6. Moving away
from their spiritual home would be the death of the club.

--
Richard


Actually, Richard, I have lived in the same house for my entire life (39
years), so would argue that my claim is at least as great.

At the time my parents bought this house (in 1963), football-generated car
traffic was virtually non-existent.

Now, it means that we can't leave the house on match days (we can't drive
or
use public transport because of the traffic jams) and dare not return home
during weekday match times, unless we want to sit in the car for 2 or 3
hours
until the football fans have left.


Doesn't sound too different from when I used to go to Stamford Bridge in the
late-'60s/early-'70s. Except in those days you had large crowds of
skinheads - on foot of course and heading to/from the tube stations - to
negotiate.

I don't see how you can argue your claim is as great, though. Your argument
appears as valid as if some yuppy who bought into Fulham in the 80's wanted
your family to move away because you're reminiscent of when Fulham was a
toilet.


Shane

Doesn't sound too different from when I used to go to Stamford Bridge in the
late-'60s/early-'70s. Except in those days you had large crowds of
skinheads - on foot of course and heading to/from the tube stations - to
negotiate.

Did Wandsworth Bridge Road become log-jammed for up to 2 hours after each match
in those days? I certainly don't recall this, and I've been living here for 39
years.



I don't see how you can argue your claim is as great, though. Your argument
appears as valid as if some yuppy who bought into Fulham in the 80's wanted
your family to move away because you're reminiscent of when Fulham was a
toilet.



That's, with respect, utter rubbish. Firstly, my parents were amongst the first
private-owners in our stretch of road (since 1963), and it had been in
multiple-occupation when they bought it. By comparison to the dilapidated
Council houses on each side of and behanind ours it was (and is) a model of
smartness, and as for respectability, my parents were (and are) an epitome of
middle-class respectability, holding the spare keys for countless neighbours,
feedng their cats and fish when they are on holiday etc.

Leaving the ineptness of your comparison, I really don't see the comparison you
are trying to make.

I am not suggesting that Chelsea and Fulham F.C.s move because they are
football clubs - I have no time whatsoever for that "sport" but that is not my
complaint. My complaint is that the nature of their presence has fundamentally
CHANGED, in that a large number of extra cars inserted into this area once a
week (or whatever) is simply ridiculous and a major detriment to the quality of
life of those who live here. Planning consent for this type of development
would NEVER be granted nowadays - it would not even get past the environmental
impact stage.

Marc.

"Mait001" wrote in message
...
Doesn't sound too different from when I used to go to Stamford Bridge in
the
late-'60s/early-'70s. Except in those days you had large crowds of
skinheads - on foot of course and heading to/from the tube stations - to
negotiate.

Did Wandsworth Bridge Road become log-jammed for up to 2 hours after each
match
in those days? I certainly don't recall this, and I've been living here
for 39
years.


It varied, but it was murder in almost every case - and it depended on how
many other London clubs were playing too. Of course, then, everyone played
3.00 PM Saturday.



I don't see how you can argue your claim is as great, though. Your
argument
appears as valid as if some yuppy who bought into Fulham in the 80's
wanted
your family to move away because you're reminiscent of when Fulham was a
toilet.



That's, with respect, utter rubbish. Firstly, my parents were amongst the
first
private-owners in our stretch of road (since 1963), and it had been in
multiple-occupation when they bought it. By comparison to the dilapidated
Council houses on each side of and behanind ours it was (and is) a model
of
smartness, and as for respectability, my parents were (and are) an epitome
of
middle-class respectability, holding the spare keys for countless
neighbours,
feedng their cats and fish when they are on holiday etc.

You seem unable to appreciate the point that the hypothetical argument is
meant to be baseless - just as, frankly, yours is. What the hell does your
family's *middle-class respectability* have to do with anything? Are you
failing to get the point that the hypothetical yuppy is supposed to be a
shallow prick?


Leaving the ineptness of your comparison, I really don't see the
comparison you
are trying to make.

I am not suggesting that Chelsea and Fulham F.C.s move because they are
football clubs - I have no time whatsoever for that "sport"

The national "sport", you mean?

but that is not my
complaint. My complaint is that the nature of their presence has
fundamentally
CHANGED, in that a large number of extra cars inserted into this area once
a
week (or whatever) is simply ridiculous and a major detriment to the
quality of
life of those who live here. Planning consent for this type of
development
would NEVER be granted nowadays - it would not even get past the
environmental
impact stage.


I don't really care about your complaint. You're a snob.


Shane

Richard Rundle wrote:

Fulham FC have been at Craven Cottage (except for that unavoidable
two-year sojourn at Loftus Road) for over 100 years. How long have
you been in the area? I think they have as much right as anyone to be
in SW6. Moving away from their spiritual home would be the death of
the club.

Look at Reading as an example of what *can* be done if the willpower and
money is there. Elm Park was a small, scruffy, crowded ground in a tightly
packed residential part of town - a PITA for both fans and local residents.
The move (5 miles?) across town to the Madjeski gave the club a modern,
usable stadium with plenty of car parking and easy access to the M4. The
club is now flourishing in it's new home - whats not to like about that?