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Eurostar to quit Waterloo
I would suggestr that if E* quit Waterloo then they are going to upset a lot
of important people. However leaving them aside I would think that at least 50% of E* present ridership has direct access to Waterloo and as a result of the move any saving on the journey time from St.Pancras will be lost in getting to St. Pancras. I foresee that the gainers in this piece of muddled thinking will be E* competitors the airlines. Services from Gatwick to Paris and Brssels will be reinstated and new ones will start from Southampton and possibly Shoreham. There are two other matters which come to mind E* say they cannot afford Waterloo and yet they can afford three new stations. Perhaps someone can say how they will be able to justify Stratford and Ebbsfleet. E* is at pains to tell us how they have carried 6M passengers so far this year but I seem to remember that 10 years ago the projection was that by now that there would be 16M passengers. With regard to interchange at Stratford the E*station is about 1/3rd of a mile from Stratford ML, UD and DLR but this will be ameliorated by the decision to require Union Railways North to provide a travelator. Perhaps it is just as well that the passenger usage predictions have proved to be wide of the mark because dispersal of such a measure of usage from the Kings Cross area would only serve to demonstrate just how wrong the decision to abandon Waterloo was. MJW |
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"M.Whitson" wrote in message ... I would suggestr that if E* quit Waterloo then they are going to upset a lot of important people. Do important people only live in London and the South East, with rail connections directly into Waterloo? SNIP E* is at pains to tell us how they have carried 6M passengers so far this year but I seem to remember that 10 years ago the projection was that by now that there would be 16M passengers. Perhaps because of factors: NoL Eurostar, 11th September, and the delay in building CTRL, to name but a few? I'd like to be able to travel from my local station (about 1/4 mile from my home), and get to France with minimal interchanges and fuss. Present journey - Nodding Donkey to Sheffield, then a MML HST/Meridian to St. Pancras, tube to Waterloo, E* to Lille. Ideal journey - Tram/train to Sheffield, E* to Lille, along HSL. As much as I'd like to go on train, as we prefer it, I drive us down to Ashford, or we fly from Manchester. I don't want to suffer multiple changes and dragging of suitcases on the tube, just to London and the SE can have Waterloo for their sole "exclusive" use. Charley, Huddersfield |
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Eurostar to quit Waterloo
"Charley_Ashbury" wrote in message ... "M.Whitson" wrote in message ... I would suggestr that if E* quit Waterloo then they are going to upset a lot of important people. Do important people only live in London and the South East, with rail connections directly into Waterloo? I think you have missed the point. The important people are the denizens of Whitehall and the Palace of Westminster both within a short taxi ride of Waterloo. Also you cannot escape the fact that it is more than likely that a very large proportion of E* passengers originate from locations with direct access to Waterloo. Paris/Brussels bound passengers from more than 40 miles north of London will find it far more convenient and less time consuming to use their regional airport - Stanstead, Manchester, Liverpool Newcastle etc. MJW |
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Eurostar to quit Waterloo
"M.Whitson" wrote in message
... I think you have missed the point. The important people are the denizens of Whitehall and the Palace of Westminster both within a short taxi ride of Waterloo. Also you cannot escape the fact that it is more than likely that a very large proportion of E* passengers originate from locations with direct access to Waterloo. Paris/Brussels bound passengers from more than 40 miles north of London will find it far more convenient and less time consuming to use their regional airport - Stanstead, Manchester, Liverpool Newcastle etc. Those from South-East of London find it more convenient to go to Ashford, rather than go into London, transfer to Waterloo, walk down a very long platform, and return whence they came. Gatwick was much more convenient, but nature abhors a vacuum. -- Terry Harper http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/ |
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Eurostar to quit Waterloo
In message , at 23:03:05 on Mon,
15 Nov 2004, Terry Harper remarked: Those from South-East of London find it more convenient to go to Ashford, rather than go into London, transfer to Waterloo, walk down a very long platform, and return whence they came. Gatwick was much more convenient, but nature abhors a vacuum. A year ago I had to plan a trip that involved an international flight into Gatwick early morning, then getting to Brussels by lunchtime. There was only one flight, which was too early. A train to Ashford was too slow to make a useful connection with any of the few trains that stop at Ashford. So I could only make it via Gatwick Express, Victoria and Waterloo. But my inbound flight was very late, and the next best plan was to drive to Ashford and get to Brussels by teatime ahead of the second day of the meeting (at least then I could drive straight home from Ashford on the way back, rather than getting a train to Gatwick then driving home). Integrated transport! Don't make me laugh. -- Roland Perry |
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Eurostar to quit Waterloo
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
.uk... A year ago I had to plan a trip that involved an international flight into Gatwick early morning, then getting to Brussels by lunchtime. There was only one flight, which was too early. A train to Ashford was too slow to make a useful connection with any of the few trains that stop at Ashford. So I could only make it via Gatwick Express, Victoria and Waterloo. But my inbound flight was very late, and the next best plan was to drive to Ashford and get to Brussels by teatime ahead of the second day of the meeting (at least then I could drive straight home from Ashford on the way back, rather than getting a train to Gatwick then driving home). Integrated transport! Don't make me laugh. You would have done better to use Thameslink and change at London bridge for Waterloo East. Anyway, train from Gatwick to Ashford is not one of the natural routes to follow, especially if you don't live on the airport. -- Terry Harper, Web Co-ordinator, The Omnibus Society 75th Anniversary 2004, see http://www.omnibussoc.org/75th.htm E-mail: URL: http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/ |
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Eurostar to quit Waterloo
In message , at 15:21:05 on Tue, 16
Nov 2004, Terry Harper remarked: A year ago I had to plan a trip that involved an international flight into Gatwick early morning, then getting to Brussels by lunchtime. There was only one flight, which was too early. A train to Ashford was too slow to make a useful connection with any of the few trains that stop at Ashford. So I could only make it via Gatwick Express, Victoria and Waterloo. But my inbound flight was very late, and the next best plan was to drive to Ashford and get to Brussels by teatime ahead of the second day of the meeting (at least then I could drive straight home from Ashford on the way back, rather than getting a train to Gatwick then driving home). Integrated transport! Don't make me laugh. You would have done better to use Thameslink and change at London bridge for Waterloo East. That would have been a possible route to Waterloo, if the plane hadn't been late. (Remembering that several rush-hour Thameslinks don't go via London Bridge). But given the circumstances it was better to drive to Ashford to pick up the next (several hours later) train to Brussels, rather than go via London and therefore have a car marooned at Gatwisk - something which would have been a necessary sacrifice if I was getting to Brussels in time, but not after having missed the afternoon session. Anyway, train from Gatwick to Ashford is not one of the natural routes to follow, especially if you don't live on the airport. It's a direct line between two transport hubs. Like I said "Integrated transport! Don't make me laugh." -- Roland Perry |
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--- Terry Harper said: Those from South-East of London find it more convenient to go to Ashford, rather than go into London, transfer to Waterloo, walk down a very long platform, and return whence they came. Gatwick was much more convenient, but nature abhors a vacuum. Some parts of South East London, maybe? But what about those of us in other parts of South London? To get from here to Ashford, I'd probably have to go to Victoria or London Bridge and change for a semi-fast train out to Ashford, taking forever to get there. And again on the way back. There'd be no time left to enjoy my day trip to Paris at all. |
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Eurostar to quit Waterloo
"Solar Penguin" wrote in message
... --- Terry Harper said: Those from South-East of London find it more convenient to go to Ashford, rather than go into London, transfer to Waterloo, walk down a very long platform, and return whence they came. Gatwick was much more convenient, but nature abhors a vacuum. Some parts of South East London, maybe? But what about those of us in other parts of South London? To get from here to Ashford, I'd probably have to go to Victoria or London Bridge and change for a semi-fast train out to Ashford, taking forever to get there. And again on the way back. There'd be no time left to enjoy my day trip to Paris at all. I didn't say South East London, I said South-East of London, which covers large parts of Surrey, all of Kent and a large part of Sussex. Those who have the misfortune to live in Chairman Ken's domain have to put up with the consequences. -- Terry Harper, Web Co-ordinator, The Omnibus Society 75th Anniversary 2004, see http://www.omnibussoc.org/75th.htm E-mail: URL: http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/ |
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