"Phil Richards" wrote in message
T...
redtube wrote:

"A plan to run London Underground services for an extra hour on Friday
and Saturday nights will be put to Londoners, the Mayor has said.

Oh yeah are they going to put the idea to the Train Ops as well?

So a change to rosters, perhaps. What's wrong with that?

A hell uv a lot thats what You think I want to be faced with turns finishin
at 2am or whatever to cart a load of smashed faced loonies around that fall
asleep, sometimes throw up and often have to be removed from carriages.Also
they will push more night turns on us and remember we dont get paid any
extra any more for night duties its all thrown in the monthly salary these
days whatever hours of the 24 hour clock worked. Might be different if there
was sommat in it for us. What decent people travel home at that hour anyway?

"Chris" wrote in message
om...
I thought it was in the bye-laws that you can't be intoxicated and
travel on the tube

er interesting concept but not likely to be true otherwise there would be
nobody on the trains after midnight!

On 23 Nov 2004, Chris wrote:

Something makes me suspect that wannabe-late-night-tube-users will be
more vocal during the consultation period than
already-early-morning-tube-users, and we will end up with an hour more
of ****ed people and an hour less of useful workers, but that's just
me being cynical I guess.

On the bright side, you'll be tucked up in bed while they're filling the
carriages with vomit, so it shouldn't affect you too much.

I thought it was in the bye-laws that you can't be intoxicated and
travel on the tube

Presumably; i've certainly never seen anyone do it.

tom

--
Optical illusions are terrorism of the mind.

redtube wrote:

So a change to rosters, perhaps. What's wrong with that?

A hell uv a lot thats what You think I want to be faced with turns finishin
at 2am or whatever to cart a load of smashed faced loonies around that fall
asleep, sometimes throw up and often have to be removed from carriages.Also
they will push more night turns on us and remember we dont get paid any
extra any more for night duties its all thrown in the monthly salary these
days whatever hours of the 24 hour clock worked. Might be different if there
was sommat in it for us.

My heart bleeds for you. What sort of money must you be on? £30K+ ?

What decent people travel home at that hour anyway?

For starters people that are employed in the leisure industry in Central
London. Agree some of their customers might not be in a good state to
travel, but I think you'll find a majority are. They have got every right
to travel home on public transport services like you or I.

--
Phil Richards
Stroud Green, London
Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

redtube wrote:
"Phil Richards" wrote in message
T...
redtube wrote:

"A plan to run London Underground services for an extra hour on
Friday and Saturday nights will be put to Londoners, the Mayor
has said.

Oh yeah are they going to put the idea to the Train Ops as well?

So a change to rosters, perhaps. What's wrong with that?

A hell uv a lot thats what You think I want to be faced with turns
finishin at 2am or whatever to cart a load of smashed faced loonies
around that fall asleep, sometimes throw up and often have to be
removed from carriages.Also they will push more night turns on us
and remember we dont get paid any extra any more for night duties
its all thrown in the monthly salary these days whatever hours of
the 24 hour clock worked. Might be different if there was sommat in
it for us.

There is. Five-day, 35-hour working week and 52 days holiday according
to the BBC. Bob Crow and the RMT have agreed a deal which includes the
principles of later running on Friday and Saturday, and also commits to
24-hour working on New Year's Eve. See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4036061.stm

I've just noticed that the report says the deal has been agreed by
"station staff". Not sure if that's significant (not drivers?) or if
it's just sloppy wording.

--
Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Phil Richards wrote in message ET...
Kevin wrote:

I really don't see this coming off. A few late over running
engineering works and you wont see the first underground trains until
after 8am. I can see London businesses tolerating that just so a few
party goers on a Friday night don't need to get a taxi home.

A "few" party goers? According to the figures on the BBC site 140,000
would use a later running tube service. 55,000 use the tube on during the
first hour of the weekend.

But typical of this country to treat the symptom and not the cause.

So your solution would be?

And what about the second hour. My comment was for late running
engineering work, not the fact that between 5.30 and 6.30 the tube is
hardly used.
My solution is that people go home earlier.
I can see this idea causing considerable problems for workers getting
into work for Saturday morning, and travellers with early departures.
It will will boil down to has more clout. The retail industry having
problems getting workers in on Saturday morning and the hospitality
industry because it can't stay open until some unearthly hour.
Kevin

Tom Anderson wrote in message ...
On 23 Nov 2004, Kevin wrote:

typical of this country to treat the symptom and not the cause.

Which is what? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

tom

The problem is with the fact that you can't get a taxi after 9pm let
alone midnight unless it is an illegal minicab and if you are a woman
you stand a good chence of getting attacked by the minicab driver.
With taxi drivers (legal) making more than enough money working 9 to 5
they wont work during the night. And Ken Livinstone has done what to
help this situation.
Kevin

Kevin wrote:

So your solution would be?

And what about the second hour. My comment was for late running
engineering work, not the fact that between 5.30 and 6.30 the tube is
hardly used.

Late running engineering work would have to be tackled the same way as it
is at present. What we are effectively looking at is having the same
length of time in which to let the engineers do their work as they have
present. In a nutshell it's unacceptable that possessions overrun in the
first place and I would guess as with the TOCs and Network Rail there is
some sort of financial penalty. For the passenger it means they are
delayed in getting to work, just the same as when the system screws
itself up at 8am on a weekday morning for example.

My solution is that people go home earlier.

As long as the bars and clubs are open, people will stay there. They will
find a way home.

I can see this idea causing considerable problems for workers getting
into work for Saturday morning, and travellers with early departures.
It will will boil down to has more clout.

Those with early departures? OK for flights, early long distance trains
coaches etc. then they will have to take in to account these details when
arranging their journey. I've caught Eurostar from Waterloo from
where I live in North London well before the tube opens up. Easy answer,
it's called a Night Bus.

The retail industry having problems getting workers in on Saturday
morning

Of course shops have different opening hours. Most don't open until 9,
many in Central London (including where I work) don't open until 10.
Sundays it's either 10 or 11. You're really trying to say by postponing
the tube start up from 05:30-ish to 06:30-ish will prevent people from
getting to work on time?

What I keep stressing is not gain an hour at the end of the day at the
expense of an hour the next morning twice per week simply because the
engineers need access to the line for every hour of every night. Why
can't we close the system down an hour at the weekend or two later then
re-open the times they currently do the next morning? The engineers etc.
need to adapt, make their operations fit around the service pattern, not
vice-versa.

--
Phil Richards
Strod Green, London
Home page: http://www.philrichards1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:18:58 +0000, umpston wrote:
Yes you are. There is no need for an hour less of useful workers - in
todays "can do" society companies can just change their shifts to match the
tubes. Or helpfully advise their employees to get bikes. Anybody else has
no business to be up at such unearthly hours on the weekend.

A another 9-5 shiftist.

Phil Richards wrote in message ET...
Kevin wrote:

So your solution would be?

And what about the second hour. My comment was for late running
engineering work, not the fact that between 5.30 and 6.30 the tube is
hardly used.

Late running engineering work would have to be tackled the same way as it
is at present. What we are effectively looking at is having the same
length of time in which to let the engineers do their work as they have
present. In a nutshell it's unacceptable that possessions overrun in the
first place and I would guess as with the TOCs and Network Rail there is
some sort of financial penalty. For the passenger it means they are
delayed in getting to work, just the same as when the system screws
itself up at 8am on a weekday morning for example.

Lets face it, they wont be able to prevent overruns. At least at
present, if the service starts an hour late the service does start
before the main peak. If the start is now an hour later and there is
an hour overun it will be a complete f**kup



Those with early departures? OK for flights, early long distance trains
coaches etc. then they will have to take in to account these details when
arranging their journey. I've caught Eurostar from Waterloo from
where I live in North London well before the tube opens up. Easy answer,
it's called a Night Bus.

If I need to get into London for 8am even now it is touch and go if I
will trust the tube. Absolutely zero chance if this comes in. Look out
for far more car usage.

Of course shops have different opening hours. Most don't open until 9,
many in Central London (including where I work) don't open until 10.
Sundays it's either 10 or 11. You're really trying to say by postponing
the tube start up from 05:30-ish to 06:30-ish will prevent people from
getting to work on time?

And shelf stackers, warehouse people. I bet there aren't many shop
workers arrive 5 minutes before opening time.
What I keep stressing is not gain an hour at the end of the day at the
expense of an hour the next morning twice per week simply because the
engineers need access to the line for every hour of every night. Why
can't we close the system down an hour at the weekend or two later then
re-open the times they currently do the next morning? The engineers etc.
need to adapt, make their operations fit around the service pattern, not
vice-versa.

This is all interesting but I will lay odds that the London retail
industry won't put up with it.
Kevin