Huge wrote to uk.transport.london on Wed, 12 Jan 2005:

I find cyclists on trains less than amusing.

I wonder whether you find *any* form of transport legitimate, except
perhaps your own private car?
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"Mrs Redboots"
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wrote to uk.transport.london on Thu, 13 Jan 2005:

Trains are designed to carry people, not arrogant, self-centered
cyclists.

Who are not people?

Still, at least my husband and his cohorts don't have to travel in the
guards' van now that the TOC have brought in modern trains with
dedicated cycle space - until last year, it was stand in the guards van
for 30 minutes twice a day. And he STILL preferred it to driving.
--
"Mrs Redboots"
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Website updated 2 January 2005

Mrs Redboots wrote:
Trains are designed to carry people, not arrogant, self-centered
cyclists.
Who are not people?

Bicycles are not people. And arrogant, self-centered cyclists like Duhg
are borderline.

Mark

wrote:

Mrs Redboots wrote:
Trains are designed to carry people, not arrogant, self-centered
cyclists.
Who are not people?

Bicycles are not people.

You don't say.
FWIW neither is luggage, coats, or pushchairs ...or 'Huge'.

And arrogant, self-centered cyclists like Duhg
are borderline.

Dugh may occasionally profess to riding a bike, but he is is not a cyclist.

John B

JohnB wrote:
FWIW neither is luggage, coats, or pushchairs

Indeed, the people who get on a train with fifteen suitcases and stack
them by the doors are just as annoying. But they're relatively rare
compared to cyclists.

Mark

wrote:

JohnB wrote:
FWIW neither is luggage, coats, or pushchairs

Indeed, the people who get on a train with fifteen suitcases and stack
them by the doors are just as annoying. But they're relatively rare
compared to cyclists.

I've yet to see a cycle on a train as large as fifteen cases.

But worse are those idiots who insist on putting their suitcases (or
often themselves) into the dedicated cycle areas then complaining when
cyclists want to use them.

John B

In article ,
wrote:
It just shows the utter contempt which most people have for cycles and
their riders which is fully justified in my opinion . When cyclists
begin to observe the laws relating to the use of UK roads


It's annoying when cyclists jump red lights, or cycle without lights,
or whatever. I certainly grumble about it. But if you are going
to pretend for a minute that motorists don't routinely break the
lay relating to the use of UK roads, I'm going to be a bit rude about
your observational skills.

(I'm merrily ignoring the cost argument, because I don't have any
data to back up my gut feelings)

--
Mike Bristow - really a very good driver

wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:33:45 +0000, JohnB wrote:

But worse are those idiots who insist on putting their suitcases (or
often themselves) into the dedicated cycle areas then complaining when
cyclists want to use them.
It just shows the utter contempt which most people have for cycles and
their riders which is fully justified in my opinion . When cyclists
begin to observe the laws relating to the use of UK roads and have to
pay the same amounts of money that ALL other uses have to pay then I
may just have a little more time for them .

FFS yawn
I thought you had a modicum of intelligence and were were going to
debate sensibly the needs of various rail passengers.

How wrong I was.

John B

On 13 Jan 2005 08:09:11 -0800, wrote:

Bicycles are not people.

No, they are luggage, which oddly enough is permitted as well.

I understand why they are banned in the peak - but on quieter off-peak
services they are just taking up unused space. Why *not* carry them?

Neil

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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:58:06 +0000, wrote:

It just shows the utter contempt which most people have for cycles and
their riders which is fully justified in my opinion . When cyclists
begin to observe the laws relating to the use of UK roads and have to
pay the same amounts of money that ALL other uses have to pay then I
may just have a little more time for them .

I agree with the first point, and I'd like to point out that, as a
cyclist, I do obey traffic lights etc, use lights when it is dark and
do not ride on the pavement. It is noticeable how many do not, mind.

As for paying for the use of the road, to fit with the existing road
tax system it'd have to be in proportion to the damage caused by the
vehicle to the road (infinitessimally small) and the pollution emitted
while in use (that'd be none). I suspect that any charge would be so
small it wouldn't be worth collecting it.

Neil

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