James Farrar wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:17:14 +0000 (UTC), Brimstone
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"James Farrar" wrote in message
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On 9 Feb 2005 19:46:37 GMT, Robin May
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http://www.backingblair.co.uk/london_underground/

Jesus, when will this horribly boring, completely unfunny song go
away?

When it ceases being accurate?

Accurate about what, the reality or people's prejudices?

Well, I get assaulted by the smells of Burger King and **** and sweat
just about every day on my tube travels, often together. "Every
subway has a ****ing tramp" would have been a better line than
"platform", I admit.

That's down to the lack of consideration by your fellow travellers, the
staff get just as fed up with it as you do. Imagine, you've just had your
meal break and you've got another four and a half hours to do with no chance
of getting off the train when someone comes and sits immediately behind the
cab with a bag of fish and chips (or whatever).


And if the travelling public are prejudiced against the tube drivers
for their frequent strikes and threatened strikes, that's the
drivers' fault, not the public's.

Don't forget it two to tango, people don't go on strike for the fun of it.
Whatever the reason published in the media, it's usually the culmination of
a series of events. BTW, it's not always the drivers who are on or
threatening strike, that's simply the slant that the idle tabloid
journalists put on it.

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:34:59 +0000 (UTC), Brimstone
wrote:

James Farrar wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:17:14 +0000 (UTC), Brimstone
wrote:


"James Farrar" wrote in message
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On 9 Feb 2005 19:46:37 GMT, Robin May
wrote:

wrote the following in:


http://www.backingblair.co.uk/london_underground/

Jesus, when will this horribly boring, completely unfunny song go
away?

When it ceases being accurate?

Accurate about what, the reality or people's prejudices?

Well, I get assaulted by the smells of Burger King and **** and sweat
just about every day on my tube travels, often together. "Every
subway has a ****ing tramp" would have been a better line than
"platform", I admit.

That's down to the lack of consideration by your fellow travellers, the
staff get just as fed up with it as you do.

Thank you for agreeing that it's accurate!

And if the travelling public are prejudiced against the tube drivers
for their frequent strikes and threatened strikes, that's the
drivers' fault, not the public's.

Don't forget it two to tango, people don't go on strike for the fun of
it.

No, they go on strike because the union leadership feels it hasn't been in
the media recently.

I haven't heard anything from Bob Crow lately; I'm starting to get worried.

Whatever the reason published in the media, it's usually the culmination
of a series of events. BTW, it's not always the drivers who are on or
threatening strike, that's simply the slant that the idle tabloid
journalists put on it.

No, but it's the drivers' strikes that tend to cause the greatest
disruption.

James Farrar wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:34:59 +0000 (UTC), Brimstone
wrote:

James Farrar wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:17:14 +0000 (UTC), Brimstone
wrote:


"James Farrar" wrote in message
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On 9 Feb 2005 19:46:37 GMT, Robin May
wrote:

wrote the following in:


http://www.backingblair.co.uk/london_underground/

Jesus, when will this horribly boring, completely unfunny song go
away?

When it ceases being accurate?

Accurate about what, the reality or people's prejudices?

Well, I get assaulted by the smells of Burger King and **** and
sweat just about every day on my tube travels, often together.
"Every subway has a ****ing tramp" would have been a better line than
"platform", I admit.

That's down to the lack of consideration by your fellow travellers,
the staff get just as fed up with it as you do.

Thank you for agreeing that it's accurate!

And if the travelling public are prejudiced against the tube drivers
for their frequent strikes and threatened strikes, that's the
drivers' fault, not the public's.

Don't forget it two to tango, people don't go on strike for the fun
of it.

No, they go on strike because the union leadership feels it hasn't
been in the media recently.

I haven't heard anything from Bob Crow lately; I'm starting to get
worried.
Whatever the reason published in the media, it's usually the
culmination of a series of events. BTW, it's not always the drivers
who are on or threatening strike, that's simply the slant that the
idle tabloid journalists put on it.

No, but it's the drivers' strikes that tend to cause the greatest
disruption.

Not so, signallers and station staff would also cause the system to shut
down.

As long as management by fear and intimidation is the preferred method then
staff of whatever grade will be less inclined to suffer unreasonable
treatment. Excepting the odd few malcontents that occur in any large
workforce the vast majority of LU staff go to work intent on doing the best
job they can. (The good people would be just as happy as you and anyone else
to see the malcontents pushed out, btw, "malcontents" isn't the term used to
describe them, terms in common use are not repeatable in a family orientated
newsgroup).

Aiming jibes at the frontline staff is cheap, unfair and above all
inaccurate. Try lifting your gaze to the powers that be, starting with the
politicians and the entrenched attitude that prevails in the country as a
whole to public transport.

If you've a mind to read, find a copy of Paul Garbutt's book "London
Transport and the Politicians". It's been out of print for some while but
you might find a second hand copy. You could also try Christian Wolmar's
latest, "The Subterranean Railway"

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And if the travelling public are prejudiced against
the tube drivers for their frequent strikes and
threatened strikes, that's the
drivers' fault, not the public's.

Don't forget it two to tango

Indeed, which is why it only takes one to cease tangoing.

--
John Rowland - Spamtrapped
Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html
A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood.
That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line -
It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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(Brimstone) wrote:

Don't forget it two to tango, people don't go on strike for the fun of
it. Whatever the reason published in the media, it's usually the
culmination of a series of events. BTW, it's not always the drivers who
are on or threatening strike, that's simply the slant that the idle
tabloid journalists put on it.

Is it the public's fault that the two parties involved in a strike are
involved in the strike?

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

"Paul Cummins" wrote in message
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In article ,
(Brimstone) wrote:

Don't forget it two to tango, people don't go on strike for the fun of
it. Whatever the reason published in the media, it's usually the
culmination of a series of events. BTW, it's not always the drivers who
are on or threatening strike, that's simply the slant that the idle
tabloid journalists put on it.

Is it the public's fault that the two parties involved in a strike are
involved in the strike?

Which has what to do with the topic under discussion exactly?

"Brimstone" wrote in message
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"Paul Cummins" wrote in message
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In article ,
(Brimstone) wrote:

Don't forget it two to tango, people don't go on strike for the fun of
it. Whatever the reason published in the media, it's usually the
culmination of a series of events. BTW, it's not always the drivers who
are on or threatening strike, that's simply the slant that the idle
tabloid journalists put on it.

Is it the public's fault that the two parties involved in a strike are
involved in the strike?

Which has what to do with the topic under discussion exactly?


You mentioned it takes "two to tango", yet neither party is the public
(which it seemed you were attempting to partly blame for the action). It's
not our fault management and staff get annoyed, yet we suffer. And to top
it all off, when we complain, people pipe up with the "wah waah you don't
understand waah waah" lines. It's tiresome, and doesn't seem to end the
strikes.

If the tube staff really didn't want to strike, then they'd open the tube to
the public for free instead of striking. The public get their service, the
management takes a dive, and the public has a reason to be grateful for this
industrial action, instead of bitter (and late for work).

I'm saying, if the london underground wants people to stop being so angry
towards the staff, then the staff should start respecting the customers.
There's so much behaviour on public transport in London that ****es off
travellers, it's no wonder the public is growing more and more peeved with
the whole situation.

just sayin'

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"Brimstone" wrote in message
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"Paul Cummins" wrote in message
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In article ,
(Brimstone) wrote:

Don't forget it two to tango, people don't go on strike for the fun of
it. Whatever the reason published in the media, it's usually the
culmination of a series of events. BTW, it's not always the drivers who
are on or threatening strike, that's simply the slant that the idle
tabloid journalists put on it.

Is it the public's fault that the two parties involved in a strike are
involved in the strike?

Which has what to do with the topic under discussion exactly?


You mentioned it takes "two to tango", yet neither party is the public
(which it seemed you were attempting to partly blame for the action).
It's not our fault management and staff get annoyed, yet we suffer. And
to top it all off, when we complain, people pipe up with the "wah waah you
don't understand waah waah" lines. It's tiresome, and doesn't seem to end
the strikes.

If the tube staff really didn't want to strike, then they'd open the tube
to the public for free instead of striking. The public get their service,
the management takes a dive, and the public has a reason to be grateful
for this industrial action, instead of bitter (and late for work).

I'm saying, if the london underground wants people to stop being so angry
towards the staff, then the staff should start respecting the customers.
There's so much behaviour on public transport in London that ****es off
travellers, it's no wonder the public is growing more and more peeved with
the whole situation.

just sayin'

I heard.

Dunno about you but I've travelled most of the country and generally find
that if I want to find an unpleasent person then I've got to be unpleasent
first. Same applies on the underground.

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d wrote:
If the tube staff really didn't want to strike, then they'd open the tube to
the public for free instead of striking. The public get their service, the
management takes a dive, and the public has a reason to be grateful for this
industrial action, instead of bitter (and late for work).

There are reasonably large chunks of LuL who can't open the tube
to the public for free, because they don't control the gates. An
example would be the drivers.

Now, one could argue that the Station Assistants should show
solidarity with their commrades on the train (or in the signal
cabin). Remind me - who made such seconday actions illegal?

--
Mike Bristow - really a very good driver

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James Farrar wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:17:14 +0000 (UTC), Brimstone
wrote:


"James Farrar" wrote in message
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On 9 Feb 2005 19:46:37 GMT, Robin May
wrote:

wrote the following in:


http://www.backingblair.co.uk/london_underground/

Jesus, when will this horribly boring, completely unfunny song go
away?

When it ceases being accurate?

Accurate about what, the reality or people's prejudices?

Well, I get assaulted by the smells of Burger King and **** and sweat
just about every day on my tube travels, often together. "Every
subway has a ****ing tramp" would have been a better line than
"platform", I admit.

That's down to the lack of consideration by your fellow travellers, the
staff get just as fed up with it as you do. Imagine, you've just had your
meal break and you've got another four and a half hours to do with no
chance of getting off the train when someone comes and sits immediately
behind the cab with a bag of fish and chips (or whatever).


And if the travelling public are prejudiced against the tube drivers
for their frequent strikes and threatened strikes, that's the
drivers' fault, not the public's.

Don't forget it two to tango, people don't go on strike for the fun of it.
Whatever the reason published in the media, it's usually the culmination
of a series of events. BTW, it's not always the drivers who are on or
threatening strike, that's simply the slant that the idle tabloid
journalists put on it.


Whatever it is, it's the public that gets shafted, and it's the public that
complains. I wasn't mistaken all those times when the tube was closed and I
had to walk/bus/walk/walk/bus/walk all the way to work. I think the public
perception is pretty spot-on.