"James" wrote in message
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Martin Underwood wrote:
"James" wrote in message
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Stuart wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:



http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n..._the_way.p hp



(begin quote)
"More Tube delays on the way
Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be closed for vital
repair work.

By Danny Brierley

LONDONERS have been warned to expect closures on three busy Tube
lines
for months at a time.

Sections of the Waterloo, City and Northern lines need to be
closed
for
vital repair work to be carried out.


And for that matter how do they intend to close a 'section' of the
Waterloo and City line?

Well, I suppose single track with one train would work ;-D

Nah! They'll close one half or the other, so you can go from Waterloo
to a
point underneath the Thames and than have to walk the rest of the way
;-)

Perhaps they'll use the secret platforms at Blackfriars ;-)

Judging by the distance you have to walk at Bank to get to the W&C I think
the platforms are at Blackfriars already!

Peter Smyth

In message , at
00:33:57 on Sat, 12 Mar 2005, Stuart remarked:
And for that matter how do they intend to close a 'section' of the
Waterloo and City line?

Perhaps the section from the Waterloo platforms to the Bank platforms,
leaving the section between the Waterloo platforms and the depot still
running?
--
Roland Perry

I noticed that one of the sections to be closed is the Bank section on
the Northern line. This section was closed for 2 or 3 months in the
summer of 1999. I suppose that it was too much to ask that somebody
could have foreseen the work to be done in 1999.
Two lengthy closures in the space of 5 years smacks of taking the ****
to me.

Kevin

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I noticed that one of the sections to be closed is the Bank section on
the Northern line. This section was closed for 2 or 3 months in the
summer of 1999. I suppose that it was too much to ask that somebody
could have foreseen the work to be done in 1999.
Two lengthy closures in the space of 5 years smacks of taking the ****
to me.

The same applies to road closures: I'd like to see a legal requirement on
maintenance companies to do the job right first time so they'll never (or
not for many decades) have to do the job again. Either that or else a rebate
for passengers/drivers who have to endure repeated delays. It'll never
happen, of course...

In article . com,
() wrote:

I noticed that one of the sections to be closed is the Bank section on
the Northern line. This section was closed for 2 or 3 months in the
summer of 1999. I suppose that it was too much to ask that somebody
could have foreseen the work to be done in 1999.
Two lengthy closures in the space of 5 years smacks of taking the ****
to me.

Kevin


The reason for the shutdown is to deal with the problems after the work
that was carried out during the original shutdown!.

During the original shutdown, the track was relaid, amongst other things.
Within a few weeks of the section re-opening, temporary speed restrictions
were put in because of the condition of the track. These temporary speed
restrictions are still in place, with the exception of the one departing
Euston City NB which I think was taken out last year.

These speed restrictions made a big difference because they were over long
sections of the track and were quite drastic - 15mph instead of 25mph
between Kennington and Elephant & Castle NB, 15mph instead of 30mph
between Angel and Old Street SB, 20 mph instead of 30/35 mph between
Elephant & Castle and Kennington SB. The one at Euston City NB was, I
think, 20mph instead of 35mph.

The current timetable (TT49) had had an increase in running times to take
many of the "permanent" temporary speed restrictions into account, plus
some other long term ones that since popped up, such as the 20mph
approaching Finchley Central NB.

The only way to sort the problem out was to relay the affected track,
which was a major work.

Hopefully, the work that has been done during the City closures will mean
that these restrictions can be taken away and normal speed running
resumed.


Roger

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...
In article . com,
() wrote:


The reason for the shutdown is to deal with the problems after the work
that was carried out during the original shutdown!.

During the original shutdown, the track was relaid, amongst other things.
Within a few weeks of the section re-opening, temporary speed restrictions
were put in because of the condition of the track.

I refer the honourable gentleman to the comment I made earlier about the
need to do the job right the first time ;-)

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 wrote:

In article . com,
() wrote:

I noticed that one of the sections to be closed is the Bank section on
the Northern line. This section was closed for 2 or 3 months in the
summer of 1999. I suppose that it was too much to ask that somebody
could have foreseen the work to be done in 1999. Two lengthy closures
in the space of 5 years smacks of taking the **** to me.

The reason for the shutdown is to deal with the problems after the work
that was carried out during the original shutdown!.

Are the contractors who did the first lot contributing anything to paying
for it this time round?
tom

--
NTK now entirely filled with google links -- NTK

In article ,
(Tom Anderson) wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 wrote:

In article . com,
() wrote:

I noticed that one of the sections to be closed is the Bank section
on
the Northern line. This section was closed for 2 or 3 months in the
summer of 1999. I suppose that it was too much to ask that somebody
could have foreseen the work to be done in 1999. Two lengthy
closures
in the space of 5 years smacks of taking the **** to me.

The reason for the shutdown is to deal with the problems after the
work
that was carried out during the original shutdown!.

Are the contractors who did the first lot contributing anything to
paying
for it this time round?
tom

--
NTK now entirely filled with google links -- NTK


No idea - I think there was an on-going argument as to who /what was to
blame, with two different sides battling it out between them. Possibly
unresolved, but I don't know. I assume that Tubelines are now sorting it
out as part of their overall contract since privatisation.

Roger