On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Matthew Dickinson wrote:

There's a new London Connections map out with Heathrow Connect depicted
as a seperate service between Ealing Broadway & Heathrow Terminals 1,2 &
3.

Is this in stations? Do you know if it's online anywhere?

TfL's online support for this map is rather spotty - the version in
stations (prior to this) is the 'high frequency services' one, but i can't
find this online; it was definitely available at one point, but all TfL's
links go to the previous versions. Grr. Okay, rant over!

tom

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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Matthew Dickinson wrote:

There's a new London Connections map out with Heathrow Connect
depicted as a seperate service between Ealing Broadway & Heathrow
Terminals 1,2 & 3.


Is this in stations? Do you know if it's online anywhere?

TfL's online support for this map is rather spotty - the version in
stations (prior to this) is the 'high frequency services' one, but i
can't find this online; it was definitely available at one point, but
all TfL's links go to the previous versions. Grr. Okay, rant over!

I'm not sure if we're talking about the TfL London Connections map
(which is being superseded by the High Frequency Services map), or the
ATOC London Connections map, which is the one that shows each TOC in a
different colour. I think it's the latter which has been updated,
because it's the only one that showed the stations at Shepherd's Bush
and Imperial Wharf WLL.


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www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Dave Arquati wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Matthew Dickinson wrote:

There's a new London Connections map out with Heathrow Connect depicted as
a seperate service between Ealing Broadway & Heathrow Terminals 1,2 & 3.

Is this in stations? Do you know if it's online anywhere?

I'm not sure if we're talking about the TfL London Connections map
(which is being superseded by the High Frequency Services map), or the
ATOC London Connections map, which is the one that shows each TOC in a
different colour. I think it's the latter which has been updated,
because it's the only one that showed the stations at Shepherd's Bush
and Imperial Wharf WLL.

Aha! Yes, of course.

tom

--
It's the 21st century, man - we rue _minutes_. -- Benjamin Rosenbaum

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Matthew Dickinson wrote:

There's a new London Connections map out with Heathrow Connect depicted
as a seperate service between Ealing Broadway & Heathrow Terminals 1,2 &
3.

Is this in stations? Do you know if it's online anywhere?

TfL's online support for this map is rather spotty - the version in
stations (prior to this) is the 'high frequency services' one, but i can't
find this online; it was definitely available at one point, but all TfL's
links go to the previous versions. Grr. Okay, rant over!

tom

There was/is a TfL version of the London Connections map, which is now
called the 'High Frequency Services' map when it appears at Tube
stations, or is simply entitled 'Travelcard Zones' when it appears in
leaflets. I think they've ditched the 'London Connections' name (though
the PDF file of the 'Travelcard Zones' map available from the TfL
website is called "lon_con.pdf").

However IIRC there's always been two versions of the London Connections
map, the one produced by London Transport and now TfL, and the one
produced by Network SouthEast, now ATOC - which is what I believe the
OP is referring to. The ATOC map is double sided, showing the London &
South East rail network on one side (with the London detail excluded),
and the London Connections map on the other.

I find the ATOC London Connections map more useful, at least in terms
of rail travel in the capital, than the Tube-biased TfL version (though
it does lack any indicator of which lines are high frequency, which the
new TfL 'High Frequency' map benefits from).

The ATOC London Connections map, alongside the London & South East map
and others are available online in PDF format from the National Rail
website at...

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/maps.htm

....though it would appear that the new London Connections map has not
yet been made available online, the one on the site being dated January
2005.

Mizter T wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Matthew Dickinson wrote:

There's a new London Connections map out with Heathrow Connect depicted
as a seperate service between Ealing Broadway & Heathrow Terminals 1,2 &
3.

Is this in stations? Do you know if it's online anywhere?

TfL's online support for this map is rather spotty - the version in
stations (prior to this) is the 'high frequency services' one, but i can't
find this online; it was definitely available at one point, but all TfL's
links go to the previous versions. Grr. Okay, rant over!

tom

There was/is a TfL version of the London Connections map, which is now
called the 'High Frequency Services' map when it appears at Tube
stations, or is simply entitled 'Travelcard Zones' when it appears in
leaflets. I think they've ditched the 'London Connections' name (though
the PDF file of the 'Travelcard Zones' map available from the TfL
website is called "lon_con.pdf").

However IIRC there's always been two versions of the London Connections
map, the one produced by London Transport and now TfL, and the one
produced by Network SouthEast, now ATOC - which is what I believe the
OP is referring to. The ATOC map is double sided, showing the London &
South East rail network on one side (with the London detail excluded),
and the London Connections map on the other.

I find the ATOC London Connections map more useful, at least in terms
of rail travel in the capital, than the Tube-biased TfL version (though
it does lack any indicator of which lines are high frequency, which the
new TfL 'High Frequency' map benefits from).

The ATOC London Connections map, alongside the London & South East map
and others are available online in PDF format from the National Rail
website at...

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/maps.htm

...though it would appear that the new London Connections map has not
yet been made available online, the one on the site being dated January
2005.

I have just looked at the london connections map on the page and it
does contain heathrow connect.

The ATOC London Connections map, alongside the London & South East map
and others are available online in PDF format from the National Rail
website at...

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/maps.htm

...though it would appear that the new London Connections map has not
yet been made available online, the one on the site being dated January
2005.

I have just looked at the london connections map on the page and it
does contain heathrow connect.

Indeed. The page has now been updated with the new map.

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Mizter T wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Matthew Dickinson wrote:

London Connections map

Is this in stations? Do you know if it's online anywhere?

TfL's online support for this map is rather spotty - the version in
stations (prior to this) is the 'high frequency services' one, but i can't
find this online; it was definitely available at one point, but all TfL's
links go to the previous versions. Grr. Okay, rant over!

There was/is a TfL version of the London Connections map, which is now
called the 'High Frequency Services' map when it appears at Tube
stations, or is simply entitled 'Travelcard Zones' when it appears in
leaflets. I think they've ditched the 'London Connections' name (though
the PDF file of the 'Travelcard Zones' map available from the TfL
website is called "lon_con.pdf").

And moreover, it's still the old map:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/lon_con.pdf

I am absolutely positive that at some point, the new map was online. Maybe
i'm losing my mind.

tom

--
It's the 21st century, man - we rue _minutes_. -- Benjamin Rosenbaum

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Mizter T wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Matthew Dickinson wrote:

London Connections map

Is this in stations? Do you know if it's online anywhere?

TfL's online support for this map is rather spotty - the version in
stations (prior to this) is the 'high frequency services' one, but i can't
find this online; it was definitely available at one point, but all TfL's
links go to the previous versions. Grr. Okay, rant over!

There was/is a TfL version of the London Connections map, which is now
called the 'High Frequency Services' map when it appears at Tube
stations, or is simply entitled 'Travelcard Zones' when it appears in
leaflets. I think they've ditched the 'London Connections' name (though
the PDF file of the 'Travelcard Zones' map available from the TfL
website is called "lon_con.pdf").

And moreover, it's still the old map:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/lon_con.pdf

I am absolutely positive that at some point, the new map was online. Maybe
i'm losing my mind.

tom

The TfL map available online seems to call itself 'Travelcard Zones',
and is the same one which you'll find in the back of the TfL Fares
brochure. In all but name it is the same map that TfL used to call
'London Connections'.

I can't remember if I've ever seen the TfL 'High Frequency Services'
map online, though TfL have recently rejigged their website so perhaps
your mind is not yet lost.

Another useful map for deciphering Sarf London's labyrinth of railways
is that provided by the 'Overground Network' (a TfL / SRA / TOC scheme
to promote rail south of the river). It shows all stations and lines
that provide a Metro-style service of 4 or more trains per hour.

http://www.overgroundnetwork.com/pdf...etwork-map.pdf

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 17:22:02 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote:

I am absolutely positive that at some point, the new map was online. Maybe
i'm losing my mind.

It is available here
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/downloads/LC_May_x05.pdf

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Admits to working for London Underground!

On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 17:22:02 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote:

I am absolutely positive that at some point, the new map was online. Maybe
i'm losing my mind.

It is available here
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/downloads/LC_May_x05.pdf

No, that's the ATOC map. I was referring to TfL's version of this -
specifically, the one which differentiates high- and low-frequency NR
services, not the plain London Connections one. And no, i don't mean the
Overground Network map either. Gah, too many maps!

tom

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