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There's a new London Connections map out with Heathrow Connect
depicted as a seperate service between Ealing Broadway & Heathrow Terminals 1,2 & 3. The BAA stations are depicted outside the Zone 6 shading. It also has updated the opening dates for Shepherds Bush & Imperial Wharf to 2006. (These two stations were listed as calling points for the Silverlink service on the platform indicator at Clapham Junction yesterday) :) |
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Matthew Dickinson wrote:
There's a new London Connections map out with Heathrow Connect depicted as a seperate service between Ealing Broadway & Heathrow Terminals 1,2 & 3. The BAA stations are depicted outside the Zone 6 shading. It also has updated the opening dates for Shepherds Bush & Imperial Wharf to 2006. (These two stations were listed as calling points for the Silverlink service on the platform indicator at Clapham Junction yesterday) :) Ooh, I'll have to pick it up! I'm collecting all the Ldn Connections/Ldn & SE maps, and I went to the LT Museum Depot yesterday and got almost all of them dating back to 1988! |
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Joe wrote:
Matthew Dickinson wrote: There's a new London Connections map out with Heathrow Connect depicted as a seperate service between Ealing Broadway & Heathrow Terminals 1,2 & 3. The BAA stations are depicted outside the Zone 6 shading. It also has updated the opening dates for Shepherds Bush & Imperial Wharf to 2006. (These two stations were listed as calling points for the Silverlink service on the platform indicator at Clapham Junction yesterday) :) Ooh, I'll have to pick it up! I'm collecting all the Ldn Connections/Ldn & SE maps, and I went to the LT Museum Depot yesterday and got almost all of them dating back to 1988! I also have a slightly irrational interest in old editions of said maps. Were the old maps for sale at the LT Museum depot or did you nick them? ;-) |
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Matthew Dickinson wrote: There's a new London Connections map out Interesting thing on the South East side, showing the Wessex service to Brighton. All stations after Cosham are shown as "restricted service", including Brighton, yet the line is solid and not the "restricted service" parallel thin lines (as per Southampton - Eastleigh - Romsey). If interpreted literally, this means that Wessex runs a regular service to Brighton, but only a few trains actually stop there! PhilD -- |
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"PhilD" wrote in message
oups.com... Matthew Dickinson wrote: There's a new London Connections map out Interesting thing on the South East side, showing the Wessex service to Brighton. All stations after Cosham are shown as "restricted service", including Brighton, yet the line is solid and not the "restricted service" parallel thin lines (as per Southampton - Eastleigh - Romsey). If interpreted literally, this means that Wessex runs a regular service to Brighton, but only a few trains actually stop there! PhilD -- I hope they all stop at Brighton :-) -- Regards John |
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On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Matthew Dickinson wrote:
There's a new London Connections map out with Heathrow Connect depicted as a seperate service between Ealing Broadway & Heathrow Terminals 1,2 & 3. Is this in stations? Do you know if it's online anywhere? TfL's online support for this map is rather spotty - the version in stations (prior to this) is the 'high frequency services' one, but i can't find this online; it was definitely available at one point, but all TfL's links go to the previous versions. Grr. Okay, rant over! tom -- :-( bad :-) bad :-| good |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Matthew Dickinson wrote: There's a new London Connections map out with Heathrow Connect depicted as a seperate service between Ealing Broadway & Heathrow Terminals 1,2 & 3. Is this in stations? Do you know if it's online anywhere? TfL's online support for this map is rather spotty - the version in stations (prior to this) is the 'high frequency services' one, but i can't find this online; it was definitely available at one point, but all TfL's links go to the previous versions. Grr. Okay, rant over! I'm not sure if we're talking about the TfL London Connections map (which is being superseded by the High Frequency Services map), or the ATOC London Connections map, which is the one that shows each TOC in a different colour. I think it's the latter which has been updated, because it's the only one that showed the stations at Shepherd's Bush and Imperial Wharf WLL. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Matthew Dickinson wrote: There's a new London Connections map out with Heathrow Connect depicted as a seperate service between Ealing Broadway & Heathrow Terminals 1,2 & 3. Is this in stations? Do you know if it's online anywhere? TfL's online support for this map is rather spotty - the version in stations (prior to this) is the 'high frequency services' one, but i can't find this online; it was definitely available at one point, but all TfL's links go to the previous versions. Grr. Okay, rant over! tom There was/is a TfL version of the London Connections map, which is now called the 'High Frequency Services' map when it appears at Tube stations, or is simply entitled 'Travelcard Zones' when it appears in leaflets. I think they've ditched the 'London Connections' name (though the PDF file of the 'Travelcard Zones' map available from the TfL website is called "lon_con.pdf"). However IIRC there's always been two versions of the London Connections map, the one produced by London Transport and now TfL, and the one produced by Network SouthEast, now ATOC - which is what I believe the OP is referring to. The ATOC map is double sided, showing the London & South East rail network on one side (with the London detail excluded), and the London Connections map on the other. I find the ATOC London Connections map more useful, at least in terms of rail travel in the capital, than the Tube-biased TfL version (though it does lack any indicator of which lines are high frequency, which the new TfL 'High Frequency' map benefits from). The ATOC London Connections map, alongside the London & South East map and others are available online in PDF format from the National Rail website at... http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/maps.htm ....though it would appear that the new London Connections map has not yet been made available online, the one on the site being dated January 2005. |
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Mizter T wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Matthew Dickinson wrote: There's a new London Connections map out with Heathrow Connect depicted as a seperate service between Ealing Broadway & Heathrow Terminals 1,2 & 3. Is this in stations? Do you know if it's online anywhere? TfL's online support for this map is rather spotty - the version in stations (prior to this) is the 'high frequency services' one, but i can't find this online; it was definitely available at one point, but all TfL's links go to the previous versions. Grr. Okay, rant over! tom There was/is a TfL version of the London Connections map, which is now called the 'High Frequency Services' map when it appears at Tube stations, or is simply entitled 'Travelcard Zones' when it appears in leaflets. I think they've ditched the 'London Connections' name (though the PDF file of the 'Travelcard Zones' map available from the TfL website is called "lon_con.pdf"). However IIRC there's always been two versions of the London Connections map, the one produced by London Transport and now TfL, and the one produced by Network SouthEast, now ATOC - which is what I believe the OP is referring to. The ATOC map is double sided, showing the London & South East rail network on one side (with the London detail excluded), and the London Connections map on the other. I find the ATOC London Connections map more useful, at least in terms of rail travel in the capital, than the Tube-biased TfL version (though it does lack any indicator of which lines are high frequency, which the new TfL 'High Frequency' map benefits from). The ATOC London Connections map, alongside the London & South East map and others are available online in PDF format from the National Rail website at... http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/maps.htm ...though it would appear that the new London Connections map has not yet been made available online, the one on the site being dated January 2005. I have just looked at the london connections map on the page and it does contain heathrow connect. |
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I also have a slightly irrational interest in old editions of said
maps. Were the old maps for sale at the LT Museum depot or did you nick them? ;-) The Friends of the Museum had a stall there, selling leaflets for 10p each. I picked up most of the Ldn Connections maps though, but there were some other ones from the 1980s left. Next open day is in Oct & there was a stall last time I went, so IM sure theyLL have one this time. Also got line Diagram Stickers, Map Stickers (all still with sticky back), old Timetables, other station signs & random leaflets. |
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The ATOC London Connections map, alongside the London & South East map
and others are available online in PDF format from the National Rail website at... http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/maps.htm ...though it would appear that the new London Connections map has not yet been made available online, the one on the site being dated January 2005. I have just looked at the london connections map on the page and it does contain heathrow connect. Indeed. The page has now been updated with the new map. |
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Matthew Dickinson wrote:
There's a new London Connections map out with Heathrow Connect depicted as a seperate service between Ealing Broadway & Heathrow Terminals 1,2 & 3. The BAA stations are depicted outside the Zone 6 shading. It also has updated the opening dates for Shepherds Bush & Imperial Wharf to 2006. (These two stations were listed as calling points for the Silverlink service on the platform indicator at Clapham Junction yesterday) :) What's the limited service operated by Southern around the Thameslink Wimbledon loop? That seems to be new. -- Dave Arquati Imperial College, SW7 www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London |
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On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 19:14:58 +0100, Dave Arquati
wrote: What's the limited service operated by Southern around the Thameslink Wimbledon loop? That seems to be new. Looking at the Thameslink timetable for March-May 2004, there are seven such services shown in the morning peak M-F, and five in the evening peak, all originating at London Bridge. -- Terry Harper Website Coordinator, The Omnibus Society http://www.omnibussoc.org |
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Matthew Dickinson wrote:
There's a new London Connections map out with Heathrow Connect depicted as a seperate service between Ealing Broadway & Heathrow Terminals 1,2 & 3. The BAA stations are depicted outside the Zone 6 shading. It also has updated the opening dates for Shepherds Bush & Imperial Wharf to 2006. What's the limited service operated by Southern around the Thameslink Wimbledon loop? That seems to be new. Other changes I've noticed: - New limited SET service between Elephant & Castle and Herne Hill - No more Thameslink blockade - Kilburn High Road is (at last) shown as being temporarily closed - Sudbury Hill Harrow is now shown as an interchange station with Sudbury Hill, and is no longer shown as a limited service station - New limited Southern service via Bookham |
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asdf wrote:
- New limited Southern service via Bookham Does that go to Guildford? There were a few peak hour trains in the old days - I think a hangover sop from the withdrawal of Thameslink. |
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asdf wrote:
Other changes I've noticed: - New limited SET service between Elephant & Castle and Herne Hill - No more Thameslink blockade - Kilburn High Road is (at last) shown as being temporarily closed - Sudbury Hill Harrow is now shown as an interchange station with Sudbury Hill, and is no longer shown as a limited service station - New limited Southern service via Bookham And the DLR extension to London City Airport is indicated using a diagrammatical device I haven't seen used before - a branch off from the existing line after Custom House with a pointing arrow to the east, accompanied by an explanatory box stating the extension opens in December 2005. I wonder why the map makers didn't use the usual technique of adding the new route in an 'under construction' outline. Plus has Sudbury Hill Harrow looks like it loses it's 'limited service' station symbol simply because it's incompatible with the 'interchange station' symbol. A brief timetable check suggests it doesn't benefit from anything more than a train an hour off-peak. I'm all for pointing out the proximity of stations to one another on a map, but in this instance it looks like the passenger both wins and loses in the battle for gleaning useful travel information from this map. |
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Matthew Dickinson wrote: There's a new London Connections map out ..... But no services shown out of St Pancras ? David |
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"Mizter T" wrote Plus has Sudbury Hill Harrow looks like it loses it's 'limited service' station symbol simply because it's incompatible with the 'interchange station' symbol. A brief timetable check suggests it doesn't benefit from anything more than a train an hour off-peak. Which is a lot more than the very limited peak only service it had for many years until recently. Peter |
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asdf wrote:
Other changes I've noticed: - New limited SET service between Elephant & Castle and Herne Hill About time too - that service is much less 'limited' than some shown on that map (Streatham Hill-Tulse Hill and New Beckenham-Beckenham Junction spring to mind), and is heavily used, but I don't believe it's ever been shown before. |
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But no services shown out of St Pancras ?
Probably because (Midland Mainline) services out of St Pancras dont stop anywhere inside the London Connections map area, the same as GNER services from Kings X are not shown[1]. Though, FGW services aren't shown[1], and I seem to remember they had a select few services stopping at Slough. [1] All these services Are shown on the Ldn & SE map on the reverse though, like normal. |
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Plus has Sudbury Hill Harrow looks like it loses it's 'limited service'
station symbol simply because it's incompatible with the 'interchange station' symbol. Odd. This happens at some stations (Wimbledon) but not others (Stratford)... A brief timetable check suggests it doesn't benefit from anything more than a train an hour off-peak. I'm all for pointing out the proximity of stations to one another on a map, but in this instance it looks like the passenger both wins and loses in the battle for gleaning useful travel information from this map. |
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Joe wrote:
gwr4090 wrote: But no services shown out of St Pancras ? Probably because (Midland Mainline) services out of St Pancras dont stop anywhere inside the London Connections map area, the same as GNER services from Kings X are not shown[1]. Though, FGW services aren't shown[1], and I seem to remember they had a select few services stopping at Slough. [1] All these services Are shown on the Ldn & SE map on the reverse though, like normal. St Pancras was only shown as having Thameslink services during the blockade. |I've just checked and the pre-blockade London Connections map (June 2004) shows St Pancras in the same manner as this new (May 2005) map, i.e. without any services running from it. |
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1577+2260 wrote: On 7 Jun 2005 02:24:00 -0700, "Rupert Candy" wrote: - New limited SET service between Elephant & Castle and Herne Hill About time too - that service is much less 'limited' than some shown on that map (Streatham Hill-Tulse Hill and New Beckenham-Beckenham Junction spring to mind), and is heavily used, but I don't believe it's ever been shown before. It appears that in this new version they've decided to show all[1] TOCs' peak services, whereas previously they didn't bother if the peak extras didn't cover any completely new routes. So for example in the case of Southern via Bookham, it didn't actually cover any new links or stations, so omitting it didn't remove any possible journey opportunities from the map, whereas the Beckenham connection provided a unique service. So they seem to have moved from being tidier to being more comprehensive. [1] Someone's going to notice an exception now, aren't they? I haven't seen the new map yet, but it sounds like a lot of the old inconsistencies have finally been corrected. This isn't an exception as such, but a regular off-peak service which was never shown was Weybridge to Waterloo via Brentford, while they showed the one train a day from woking to Staines or whatever. It's different from the other examples in that it's not a peak service that they omitted. Hat that been fixed now as well? What about the South East map in the Chislehurst area? Does that show a junction now? That was strangely removed not that long ago and never came back, even as a restricted service (Cannon Street to Ramsgate etc), possibly around the time that all Maidstone East Services went from Victoria (with the introduction of 365s). |
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Peter Masson wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote Plus has Sudbury Hill Harrow looks like it loses it's 'limited service' station symbol simply because it's incompatible with the 'interchange station' symbol. A brief timetable check suggests it doesn't benefit from anything more than a train an hour off-peak. Which is a lot more than the very limited peak only service it had for many years until recently. Peter Fair point. 1TPH, whilst a bit sparse, still counts as a 'full' station rather than a 'limited service' station. 'Limited service' stations seem to be those only serverd by peak trains. |
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, asdf wrote:
Plus has Sudbury Hill Harrow looks like it loses it's 'limited service' station symbol simply because it's incompatible with the 'interchange station' symbol. Odd. This happens at some stations (Wimbledon) but not others (Stratford)... Odd indeed. The root of the problem is that they don't have orthogonal visual codes for limitedness and interchangeness: a normal station is a filled coloured blob, a limited-service station is a hollow coloured blob, but an interchange station is a hollow black blob. Limitedness is shown by hollowness, but interchangeness is shown by hollowness *and* blackness, so there's no way to show interchangeness and limitedness. Thus, they have to choose which to use, and you're right, they haven't been consistent about it. Really, they need a visual code in which these properties are shown by orthogonal, composable features: if interchangeness was just blackness, that would work. It would look horrible, though. Also, they show normal stations on tube and rail lines differently, which is bad. tom -- It's the 21st century, man - we rue _minutes_. -- Benjamin Rosenbaum |
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On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Dave Arquati wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Matthew Dickinson wrote: There's a new London Connections map out with Heathrow Connect depicted as a seperate service between Ealing Broadway & Heathrow Terminals 1,2 & 3. Is this in stations? Do you know if it's online anywhere? I'm not sure if we're talking about the TfL London Connections map (which is being superseded by the High Frequency Services map), or the ATOC London Connections map, which is the one that shows each TOC in a different colour. I think it's the latter which has been updated, because it's the only one that showed the stations at Shepherd's Bush and Imperial Wharf WLL. Aha! Yes, of course. tom -- It's the 21st century, man - we rue _minutes_. -- Benjamin Rosenbaum |
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In uk.railway Mizter T wrote:
St Pancras was only shown as having Thameslink services during the blockade. |I've just checked and the pre-blockade London Connections map (June 2004) shows St Pancras in the same manner as this new (May 2005) map, i.e. without any services running from it. Though the map now shows services to Nottingham, Derby, Sheffield etc as extensions of Thameslink from West Hampstead. Theo |
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On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Mizter T wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Matthew Dickinson wrote: London Connections map Is this in stations? Do you know if it's online anywhere? TfL's online support for this map is rather spotty - the version in stations (prior to this) is the 'high frequency services' one, but i can't find this online; it was definitely available at one point, but all TfL's links go to the previous versions. Grr. Okay, rant over! There was/is a TfL version of the London Connections map, which is now called the 'High Frequency Services' map when it appears at Tube stations, or is simply entitled 'Travelcard Zones' when it appears in leaflets. I think they've ditched the 'London Connections' name (though the PDF file of the 'Travelcard Zones' map available from the TfL website is called "lon_con.pdf"). And moreover, it's still the old map: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/lon_con.pdf I am absolutely positive that at some point, the new map was online. Maybe i'm losing my mind. tom -- It's the 21st century, man - we rue _minutes_. -- Benjamin Rosenbaum |
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"Mizter T" wrote Fair point. 1TPH, whilst a bit sparse, still counts as a 'full' station rather than a 'limited service' station. 'Limited service' stations seem to be those only serverd by peak trains. The only 1tph stations I can think of in Greater London are Sudbury Hill Harrow, Chelsfield, Knockholt, and Belmont (IIRC Banstead and Epsom Downs are outside Greater London). The only peak hours only stations, IIRC, are Sudbury and Harrow Road, the Natiuonal Rail platforms at Barbican and Moorgate (Thameslink), and Shoreditch (LUL). Is anyone aware of any I have omitted? Peter |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Mizter T wrote: Tom Anderson wrote: On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Matthew Dickinson wrote: London Connections map Is this in stations? Do you know if it's online anywhere? TfL's online support for this map is rather spotty - the version in stations (prior to this) is the 'high frequency services' one, but i can't find this online; it was definitely available at one point, but all TfL's links go to the previous versions. Grr. Okay, rant over! There was/is a TfL version of the London Connections map, which is now called the 'High Frequency Services' map when it appears at Tube stations, or is simply entitled 'Travelcard Zones' when it appears in leaflets. I think they've ditched the 'London Connections' name (though the PDF file of the 'Travelcard Zones' map available from the TfL website is called "lon_con.pdf"). And moreover, it's still the old map: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/lon_con.pdf I am absolutely positive that at some point, the new map was online. Maybe i'm losing my mind. tom The TfL map available online seems to call itself 'Travelcard Zones', and is the same one which you'll find in the back of the TfL Fares brochure. In all but name it is the same map that TfL used to call 'London Connections'. I can't remember if I've ever seen the TfL 'High Frequency Services' map online, though TfL have recently rejigged their website so perhaps your mind is not yet lost. Another useful map for deciphering Sarf London's labyrinth of railways is that provided by the 'Overground Network' (a TfL / SRA / TOC scheme to promote rail south of the river). It shows all stations and lines that provide a Metro-style service of 4 or more trains per hour. http://www.overgroundnetwork.com/pdf...etwork-map.pdf |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, asdf wrote: Plus has Sudbury Hill Harrow looks like it loses it's 'limited service' station symbol simply because it's incompatible with the 'interchange station' symbol. Odd. This happens at some stations (Wimbledon) but not others (Stratford)... Odd indeed. snip Really, they need a visual code in which these properties are shown by orthogonal, composable features: if interchangeness was just blackness, that would work. It would look horrible, though. Also, they show normal stations on tube and rail lines differently, which is bad. tom A thorough analysis! The link below takes you to a now well out-of-date site on the lack of consistancy on the Tube map, of which most of the issues have now been addressesed. It does show that 'great minds' have visited the issue of rail map (or more accurately diagram) consistancy beforehand. However I think it's OK that stations on the Tube are shown differently to railway stations - it's an added visual clue (alongside the thinness of the Tube lines) that they're part of the Underground. During the 1990's, the London Connections map used to use the monochrome (black & white) 'colours' for each Tube line, reserving the real colour for the overground lines. There was a logic in keeping the profusion of colour under control, but it ended up a really ugly map. The newer all-colour London Connections is, IMO, a better solution to a difficult design brief. |
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"Tim Roll-Pickering" wrote in message
... asdf wrote: - New limited Southern service via Bookham Does that go to Guildford? There were a few peak hour trains in the old days - I think a hangover sop from the withdrawal of Thameslink. There is still a peak-hour Southern service to Guildford these days. Was still seeing slam-door stock, at least as recently as last Thursday, according to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/southernrailway/ -- David Biddulph |
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"Dave Arquati" wrote in message
... What's the limited service operated by Southern around the Thameslink Wimbledon loop? That seems to be new. It was running when I lived in Sutton 7 years ago. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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"Peter Masson" wrote in message
... The only 1tph stations I can think of in Greater London are Sudbury Hill Harrow, Chelsfield, Knockholt, and Belmont (IIRC Banstead and Epsom Downs are outside Greater London). The only peak hours only stations, IIRC, are Sudbury and Harrow Road, the Natiuonal Rail platforms at Barbican and Moorgate (Thameslink), and Shoreditch (LUL). Is anyone aware of any I have omitted? Does Angel Road still have a bad service? -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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"John Rowland" wrote Does Angel Road still have a bad service? You're right - Angel Road and Northumberland Park each only have 1 tph. The other Northumberland Park station (LUL Victoria Line) has a better service, but it's for staff only, and inside the Victoria Line depot. ISTR a proposal for redevelopment of the area, which would have involved the LUL station becoming a public station. Peter |
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Mizter T wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, asdf wrote: Plus has Sudbury Hill Harrow looks like it loses it's 'limited service' station symbol simply because it's incompatible with the 'interchange station' symbol. Odd. This happens at some stations (Wimbledon) but not others (Stratford)... Odd indeed. snip Really, they need a visual code in which these properties are shown by orthogonal, composable features: if interchangeness was just blackness, that would work. It would look horrible, though. Also, they show normal stations on tube and rail lines differently, which is bad. A thorough analysis! The link below takes you to a now well out-of-date site on the lack of consistancy on the Tube map, of which most of the issues have now been addressesed. It does show that 'great minds' have visited the issue of rail map (or more accurately diagram) consistancy beforehand. You forgot to include the link, i think, so here it is: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~ursa/p...ains/inter.htm Is that the one you were thinking of? However I think it's OK that stations on the Tube are shown differently to railway stations - it's an added visual clue (alongside the thinness of the Tube lines) that they're part of the Underground. That's one way of looking at it. My approach to a map like this would to be try to erase superfluous distinctions; since i don't think the difference between NR and LU lines is important per se (i think the difference in service level is, but not the operator!), i wouldn't try to display it. But then, i'm not the Association of Train Operating Companies. Ironically, it seems the ATOC symbol for NR stations is the one originally used on tube maps: http://www.ursasoft.com/maps/LURS/extra/london-1909.gif Also, that the interchange symbol started life as a hollow coloured circle, as i suggest: http://www.ursasoft.com/maps/LURS/big/london-1921.gif It wasn't until Hutchison, in 1960, that interchanges went black: http://www.ursasoft.com/maps/LURS/big/london-1961a.gif This is sensible, though, since it deals with the conundrum of which line interchange stations should take their colour from. That said, i really like Beck's pre-1960 maps, where interchanges consist of one circle on each line (in the line's colour). Mad props to this excellent website on the history of interchange symbology: http://www.ursasoft.com/maps/LURS/ tom -- Programming is a skill best acquired by practice and example rather than from books -- Alan Turing |
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Peter Masson wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote Fair point. 1TPH, whilst a bit sparse, still counts as a 'full' station rather than a 'limited service' station. 'Limited service' stations seem to be those only serverd by peak trains. The only 1tph stations I can think of in Greater London are Sudbury Hill Harrow, Chelsfield, Knockholt, and Belmont (IIRC Banstead and Epsom Downs are outside Greater London). The only peak hours only stations, IIRC, are Sudbury and Harrow Road, the Natiuonal Rail platforms at Barbican and Moorgate (Thameslink), and Shoreditch (LUL). Is anyone aware of any I have omitted? The Great Northern Electrics, or Northern City Line, or whatever you want to call it, that runs from Finsbury Park to Moorgate, isn't exactly off-peak friendly: it only runs until ten during the week, and not at all at weekends. The W&C doesn't run on Sundays. Still, both of these do run during the midday off-peak. Hey, if we're counting not running at the weekend as being peak-only, how about the entire south side of the Circle? :) tom -- Programming is a skill best acquired by practice and example rather than from books -- Alan Turing |
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 00:22:00 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote: It wasn't until Hutchison, in 1960, that interchanges went black: About the only good feature of that abomination. This is sensible, though, since it deals with the conundrum of which line interchange stations should take their colour from. That said, i really like Beck's pre-1960 maps, where interchanges consist of one circle on each line (in the line's colour). I think that in some locations (Charing Cross/Embankment springs to mind) it looks absurdly crowded. Mad props to this excellent website on the history of interchange symbology: http://www.ursasoft.com/maps/LURS/ A lovely diversion for twenty minutes or so. I actually really like the dot-in-circle for mainline interchanges. |
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John Rowland wrote: "Dave Arquati" wrote in message ... What's the limited service operated by Southern around the Thameslink Wimbledon loop? That seems to be new. It was running when I lived in Sutton 7 years ago. It's been running the present way for at least ten years I think. Thameslink runs the Wimbledon loop in both directions off peak, but in the peaks they only run it in one direction while Southern runs it in the other direction (ie clockwise v anticlockwise). I can never remember which runs which, but I know it reverses, ie whichever operator runs it clockwise in the morning runs it anticlockwise in the evening. Immediately before this arrangement, South Central, or whatever it was, ran the Wimbledon loop all the time, in a broken figure of eight. That is, London Bridge, Peckham, Streatham, Wimbledon, Sutton, Selhurst, Streatham Common, Victoria (and the reverse). I think Thameslink was just running down to West Croydon at that time. |
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