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Camden station redevelopment rejected
"Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message
... Press report forwarded FYI by: - Alan (in Brussels) "Campaigners' joy as station plan is axed www.hamhigh.co.uk "This is the end of the project. We needed that new station, now the users of the Northern Line face decades of misery." Rubbish. The solution to Camden Town's problems is to get more people to switch to Camden Road. I roughly calculated that the money to be spent on rebuilding Camden Town station would fund a decent service on the North London Line every day for about a century. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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Camden station redevelopment rejected
John Rowland wrote:
"Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message ... Press report forwarded FYI by: - Alan (in Brussels) "Campaigners' joy as station plan is axed www.hamhigh.co.uk "This is the end of the project. We needed that new station, now the users of the Northern Line face decades of misery." Rubbish. The solution to Camden Town's problems is to get more people to switch to Camden Road. I roughly calculated that the money to be spent on rebuilding Camden Town station would fund a decent service on the North London Line every day for about a century. But surely there's only a limited number of routes for which Camden Road would be a viable alternative? |
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Camden station redevelopment rejected
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ups.com... John Rowland wrote: "Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message ... Press report forwarded FYI by: - Alan (in Brussels) "Campaigners' joy as station plan is axed www.hamhigh.co.uk "This is the end of the project. We needed that new station, now the users of the Northern Line face decades of misery." Rubbish. The solution to Camden Town's problems is to get more people to switch to Camden Road. I roughly calculated that the money to be spent on rebuilding Camden Town station would fund a decent service on the North London Line every day for about a century. But surely there's only a limited number of routes for which Camden Road would be a viable alternative? Yes, but you don't have to remove all the people from Camden Town. A 25% reduction at the weekend might make the station workable for 20 years or so, and who knows how unfashonable Camden might be by then. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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Camden station redevelopment rejected
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, John Rowland wrote:
"Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message ... "the users of the Northern Line face decades of misery." Rubbish. The solution to Camden Town's problems is to get more people to switch to Camden Road. I roughly calculated that the money to be spent on rebuilding Camden Town station would fund a decent service on the North London Line every day for about a century. Do explain. Just how does the NLL help people currently using the Northern line get to where they want to go? Forty thousand trains to Stratford doesn't someone wanting to get to Waterloo much good. Now, if you could wangle some sort of North London Decline out of that money, so you could take trains off the NLL and into King's Cross, or onto the Thameslink route, i might agree, but if you're just talking about more trains to Stratford, then sorry, but what? tom -- .... but when you spin it it looks like a dancing foetus! |
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Camden station redevelopment rejected
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li... On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, John Rowland wrote: "Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message ... "the users of the Northern Line face decades of misery." Rubbish. The solution to Camden Town's problems is to get more people to switch to Camden Road. I roughly calculated that the money to be spent on rebuilding Camden Town station would fund a decent service on the North London Line every day for about a century. Do explain. Just how does the NLL help people currently using the Northern line get to where they want to go? By removing from the Northern Line station all the people who want to go to Wood Green, Seven Sisters, Wembley, etc, and who would use the North London Line if only it were not so infrequent and lacking in quality interchanges. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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Camden station redevelopment rejected
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, John Rowland wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message h.li... On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, John Rowland wrote: "Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message ... "the users of the Northern Line face decades of misery." Rubbish. The solution to Camden Town's problems is to get more people to switch to Camden Road. I roughly calculated that the money to be spent on rebuilding Camden Town station would fund a decent service on the North London Line every day for about a century. Do explain. Just how does the NLL help people currently using the Northern line get to where they want to go? By removing from the Northern Line station all the people who want to go to Wood Green, Seven Sisters, Wembley, etc, and who would use the North London Line if only it were not so infrequent and lacking in quality interchanges. Ah, i see. That does make quite a lot of sense. Sorry i ever doubted you! Hang on, though: if the station was actually busy, where would the dealers sell their smack? You have to think about the knock-on effects! tom -- hip whizzo teddy bear egghead realpolitik tiddly-om-pom-pom sacred cow gene blues celeb cheerio civvy street U-boat tailspin ceasefire ad-lib demob pop wizard hem-line lumpenproletariat avant garde kitsch sudden death Big Apple sex drive-in Mickey Mouse bagel dumb down pesticide racism spliff dunk cheeseburger Blitzkrieg Molotov cocktail snafu buzz ****ed off DNA mobile phone megabucks Wonderbra cool Big Brother brainwashing fast food Generation X hippy non-U boogie sexy psychedelic beatnik cruise missile cyborg awesome bossa nova peacenik byte miniskirt acid love-in It-girl microchip hypermarket green Watergate F-word punk detox Trekkie naff all trainers karaoke power dressing toy-boy hip-hop beatbox double-click OK yah mobile virtual reality gangsta latte applet hot-desking URL have it large Botox kitten heels ghetto fabulous dot-commer text message google bling bling 9/11 axis of evil sex up chav |
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Camden station redevelopment rejected
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:59:32 +0100, "John Rowland"
wrote: "Tom Anderson" wrote in message th.li... On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, John Rowland wrote: "Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message ... "the users of the Northern Line face decades of misery." Rubbish. The solution to Camden Town's problems is to get more people to switch to Camden Road. I roughly calculated that the money to be spent on rebuilding Camden Town station would fund a decent service on the North London Line every day for about a century. Do explain. Just how does the NLL help people currently using the Northern line get to where they want to go? By removing from the Northern Line station all the people who want to go to Wood Green, Seven Sisters, Wembley, etc, and who would use the North London Line if only it were not so infrequent and lacking in quality interchanges. True to a certain degree, but I think you'd need to do some serious market research to find out how many people would potentially switch, and whether it would be worthwhile. Given the zoning issues, I would expect that a lot of people are already doing soi to avoid Zone 1. For example, I'm nearest to Bounds Green, and flatmate who works in Camden always uses the NLL already, so she doesn't have to pay for a Z1 TC. Likewise, even though I have a Z1-3 TC for work, I'll often use the NLL to get to Kew Gardens when I'm at the National Archives, rather than the more crowded Picc/District. -- Nick Cooper [Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!] The London Underground at War: http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm 625-Online - classic British television: http://www.625.org.uk 'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic: http://www.thingstocome.org.uk |
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Camden station redevelopment rejected
John Rowland wrote:
"Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message ... Press report forwarded FYI by: - Alan (in Brussels) "Campaigners' joy as station plan is axed www.hamhigh.co.uk "This is the end of the project. We needed that new station, now the users of the Northern Line face decades of misery." Rubbish. The solution to Camden Town's problems is to get more people to switch to Camden Road. I roughly calculated that the money to be spent on rebuilding Camden Town station would fund a decent service on the North London Line every day for about a century. But how would you raise the money to do it? The Camden Town redevelopment would be paid for by the property developer. I don't see a similar opportunity for the new trains and/or signalling needed to do what you suggest. |
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Camden station redevelopment rejected
On 28 Jun 2005 03:15:49 -0700, "umpston" wrote:
John Rowland wrote: "Alan (in Brussels)" wrote in message ... Press report forwarded FYI by: - Alan (in Brussels) "Campaigners' joy as station plan is axed www.hamhigh.co.uk "This is the end of the project. We needed that new station, now the users of the Northern Line face decades of misery." Rubbish. The solution to Camden Town's problems is to get more people to switch to Camden Road. I roughly calculated that the money to be spent on rebuilding Camden Town station would fund a decent service on the North London Line every day for about a century. But how would you raise the money to do it? The Camden Town redevelopment would be paid for by the property developer. I don't see a similar opportunity for the new trains and/or signalling needed to do what you suggest. Err, I don't think he was suggesting that someone pay for a century's worth of decent service up front. |
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Camden station redevelopment rejected
What is really needed on the Northern Line is a division in to 2
separate lines: one from Edgware to Kennington via Charing Cross, the other from High Barnet to Morden via Bank. That would put an end to the endless signalling problems at Camden Town and Kennington, but unfortunately a reconstructed Camden Town is vital to allow for the large numbers of passengers changing there. - Alan (in Brussels) "Campaigners' joy as station plan is axed www.hamhigh.co.uk "This is the end of the project. We needed that new station, now the users of the Northern Line face decades of misery." |
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