Colin Rosenstiel wrote:


There are now witness accounts correcting the Edgware Road explosion time
to 8:50.

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Colin Rosenstiel

Hello Colin,

if you are referring to reports of the statement made by Sarah Reid,
then I understand she was commenting on being involved in the Aldgate
incident, not the Edgware road one. I couldn't find any references to
a different time for the Edgware road explosion - please post links if
you know different.

As far as I can tell from the reports, the explosions were on a
westbound train between Edgware Road and Paddington, a southbound train
between King's Cross and Russell Square, and a train between Liverpool
Street and Aldgate. The direction of travel of the last train is
unclear. It's also not clear what train stock was affected and what
service it was running - not that it's particularly important, but the
media have been very confused, mixing up Aldgate, Aldgate East, Circle
Line, H&C and so on.

It's all a very good example of the 'fog of war', and I wouldn't be
surprised if the same level of confusion afflicted the emergency
services, what with the initial reports of a 'power surge', then 7 or 8
explosions, confusion in the location of the bus between Tavistock
Square and Upper Woburn Place (was it one bus or two), and reports of
suspicious packages at Baker Street and Stockwell as well as other
places.

One of the better consensus opinions of what happened is probably at
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_...ndon_bombings),
which, given its collaborative nature, is presumed to tend towards an
accurate account of what most people believe happened (which may not,
of course, be what *actually* happened).

Regards,

Sid

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As far as I can tell from the reports, the explosions were on a
westbound train between Edgware Road and Paddington, a southbound train
between King's Cross and Russell Square, and a train between Liverpool
Street and Aldgate. The direction of travel of the last train is
unclear.

I've just seen a personal account of the last one and the train was
travelling from Liverpool Street toward Aldgate. Unusually the passengers
were evacuated forwards (past the bomb site) to Aldgate, rather than
backwards to Liverpool Street. This might have led to people assuming that
the trains was travelling from Aldgate to Liverpool Street.

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As far as I can tell from the reports, the explosions were on a
westbound train between Edgware Road and Paddington, a southbound train
between King's Cross and Russell Square, and a train between Liverpool
Street and Aldgate. The direction of travel of the last train is
unclear.

I have a friend who was on the north bound platform at Lv. St when the bomb
exploded and he says that it happened almost immediately after a southbound
train had left. He is adamant that the explosion was on that train. I have
pointed out that he only heard the bomb, not saw it, so it is possible that
it was on a northbound train yet to arrive at Lv. St. He still thinks that
could not be the case given the interval and the fact that my scenario would
likely have caused two trains to be involved.

Sorry, still not definitive but it's the best I can do. :-)
--
Malcolm

London Underground have confirmed that the Liv. St train was heading on
the outer circle rail from Liverpool St towards Aldgate, although looking
at the actual software system maps they used to show the location and
direction of the trains it looked to me as if it was headed for Aldgate
East.

The Edgware Rd train was heading from Baker Street towards Paddington.

An eyewitness I have seen interviewed on the Picadilly train said he got
on at Finsbury Park.

LU computer system diagrams also confirm all three bombs went off within
50 seconds of each other at 8.50am.



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"Dockland" wrote in message
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London Underground have confirmed that the Liv. St train was heading on
the outer circle rail from Liverpool St towards Aldgate, although looking
at the actual software system maps they used to show the location and
direction of the trains it looked to me as if it was headed for Aldgate
East.

The Edgware Rd train was heading from Baker Street towards Paddington.

An eyewitness I have seen interviewed on the Picadilly train said he got
on at Finsbury Park.

LU computer system diagrams also confirm all three bombs went off within
50 seconds of each other at 8.50am.

Interesting that the BBC still haven't corrected the times and directions on
their "definitive" map
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...ml/default.stm.

I wonder how the times of the Edgware and KX bombs were initally reported so
accurately - but wrongly.

On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 15:33:01 +0100, "Martin Underwood"
wrote:

"Dockland" wrote in message
newsp.stnf8gztw13aik@stephen...
London Underground have confirmed that the Liv. St train was heading on
the outer circle rail from Liverpool St towards Aldgate, although looking
at the actual software system maps they used to show the location and
direction of the trains it looked to me as if it was headed for Aldgate
East.

The Edgware Rd train was heading from Baker Street towards Paddington.

An eyewitness I have seen interviewed on the Picadilly train said he got
on at Finsbury Park.

LU computer system diagrams also confirm all three bombs went off within
50 seconds of each other at 8.50am.

Interesting that the BBC still haven't corrected the times and directions on
their "definitive" map

Hardly surprising, considering they're still claiming that the Picc
line tunnel is "unsafe," long after Tim O'Toole confirmed that there
is nothing wrong with it. Mind you, they - like so many media outlets
- continued to claim that this is the first ever terrorist attack on
the London Underground, which it definitely isn't by a degree of some
70 years!

I wonder how the times of the Edgware and KX bombs were initally reported so
accurately - but wrongly.

Edgware Road was timed at 09:17 because that was when the police first
received a specific report of an explosion, although they had
previously been notified of other incidents (person under train,
derailment, etc.).
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Nick Cooper

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The London Underground at War:
http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm
625-Online - classic British television:
http://www.625.org.uk
'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic:
http://www.thingstocome.org.uk

In article ,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

Hardly surprising, considering they're still claiming that the Picc
line tunnel is "unsafe," long after Tim O'Toole confirmed that there
is nothing wrong with it. Mind you, they - like so many media outlets
- continued to claim that this is the first ever terrorist attack on
the London Underground, which it definitely isn't by a degree of some
70 years!

This is the first deep-level tube bomb. That is a very different matter
from cut and cover tunnels as the blast will have been much more confined.
So maybe that was what they were saying?

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Colin Rosenstiel

On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:03 +0100 (BST), (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

In article ,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

Hardly surprising, considering they're still claiming that the Picc
line tunnel is "unsafe," long after Tim O'Toole confirmed that there
is nothing wrong with it. Mind you, they - like so many media outlets
- continued to claim that this is the first ever terrorist attack on
the London Underground, which it definitely isn't by a degree of some
70 years!

This is the first deep-level tube bomb. That is a very different matter
from cut and cover tunnels as the blast will have been much more confined.

Apart from Wood Green in 1975 (the day after West Ham), of course.
Date-wise, I was thinking of the 1939 IRA bombs at Tottenham Court
Road and Leicester Square, although they were in the left luggage
offices.

So maybe that was what they were saying?

I doubt they'd be able to make the distinction, considering way "Tube"
has been used to describe the sub-surface trains/lines the last few
days! That aside, the terms used that I've heard have been, "the first
terrorist attack on the _Underground_."
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Nick Cooper

[Carefully remove the detonators from my e-mail address to reply!]

The London Underground at War:
http://www.cwgcuser.org.uk/personal/...ra/lu/tuaw.htm
625-Online - classic British television:
http://www.625.org.uk
'Things to Come' - An Incomplete Classic:
http://www.thingstocome.org.uk

"Martin Underwood" typed


I wonder how the times of the Edgware and KX bombs were initally
reported so
accurately - but wrongly. ^^^^^^^

Edgware ROAD is NOT Edgware! The two are 10 miles apart and have no
direct daytime transport. PLEASE do not perpetuate the confusion. I have
had to reassure many concerned friends.

--
Helen D. Vecht:
Edgware.

On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 15:08:30 +0100, Dockland
wrote:

London Underground have confirmed that the Liv. St train was heading on
the outer circle rail from Liverpool St towards Aldgate, although looking
at the actual software system maps they used to show the location and
direction of the trains it looked to me as if it was headed for Aldgate
East.

The Edgware Rd train was heading from Baker Street towards Paddington.

An eyewitness I have seen interviewed on the Picadilly train said he got
on at Finsbury Park.

LU computer system diagrams also confirm all three bombs went off within
50 seconds of each other at 8.50am.

We only have the computer system info for the two Circle line trains.
The train was definitely an outer rail circle heading for Aldgate. At
the point of what must have been the explosion we got a fair bit of
spurious data which shows up as extra tracks occupied. The piccadilly
confirmation apparently comes from the time the tunnel telephone went
down.

P