wrote:
asdf wrote:


Apparently, from 25th September the charge for an incomplete Oyster
pre-pay journey starting or ending at the NR termini at Marylebone,
Euston, Liverpool Street and Fenchurch Street will be increased from
£1.70 to £5.00.



How will this work with boundary zone tickets then? I know from
experience of these at Victoria they do not open the gates (which makes
sense becuase they are valid from the zone boundary) and you have to
use your Oyster instead.

Is someone with a Boundary Zone 2 to Ilford ticket going to cop a £5
penalty at Liverpool Street? And if so, how is the helpline going to
solve it without you sending them the ticket to prove it - which could
have be collected at the destination ticket barrier?

If you have a boundary ticket then you must also have an Oyster season
including Z1, which will open all gates within its appropriate zones
without recoursing to prepay, regardless of whether there is a touch-in
to go with each touch-out.

--
Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote:
wrote:
asdf wrote:
Apparently, from 25th September the charge for an incomplete Oyster
pre-pay journey starting or ending at the NR termini at Marylebone,
Euston, Liverpool Street and Fenchurch Street will be increased from
£1.70 to £5.00.

How will this work with boundary zone tickets then? I know from
experience of these at Victoria they do not open the gates (which makes
sense becuase they are valid from the zone boundary) and you have to
use your Oyster instead.

If you have a boundary ticket then you must also have an Oyster season
including Z1, which will open all gates within its appropriate zones
without recoursing to prepay, regardless of whether there is a touch-in
to go with each touch-out.

According to
http://www.atoc.org/traveltrade/manu...ionk-part2.pdf, I can
use a boundary zone extension with a one-day travelcard, including a
2-6 travelcard. Can't remember if these can be loaded onto Oyster.
But this combination isn't valid to zone 1, so you might end up paying
£5 instead of the difference between a 2-6 and a 1-6 travelcard.

Colin McKenzie

"Colin McKenzie" wrote in message
...
Dave Arquati wrote:
wrote:
asdf wrote:
Apparently, from 25th September the charge for an incomplete Oyster
pre-pay journey starting or ending at the NR termini at Marylebone,
Euston, Liverpool Street and Fenchurch Street will be increased from
£1.70 to £5.00.

How will this work with boundary zone tickets then? I know from
experience of these at Victoria they do not open the gates (which makes
sense becuase they are valid from the zone boundary) and you have to
use your Oyster instead.

If you have a boundary ticket then you must also have an Oyster season
including Z1, which will open all gates within its appropriate zones
without recoursing to prepay, regardless of whether there is a touch-in
to go with each touch-out.

According to
http://www.atoc.org/traveltrade/manu...ionk-part2.pdf, I can use
a boundary zone extension with a one-day travelcard, including a 2-6
travelcard. Can't remember if these can be loaded onto Oyster.
But this combination isn't valid to zone 1, so you might end up paying £5
instead of the difference between a 2-6 and a 1-6 travelcard.

Colin McKenzie

And I thought these things were supposed to make travel less complicated.

On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 21:28:14 +0200, "Skokkie"
wrote:

And I thought these things were supposed to make travel less complicated.

They are, but I don't believe they will until the fares structure is
totally recast to make their (exclusive?) use make sense.

A paper-based fares structure does not translate well to smartcard
use, unless a virtual ticket is loaded before travel. I strongly
suspect that the National Rail version, when it happens, will be of
the latter type - can you imagine trying to implement PrePay on the
messy NR fares structure?

Neil

--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
When replying please use neil at the above domain
'wensleydale' is a spam trap and is not read.

"asdf" wrote in message ...
Apparently, from 25th September the charge for an incomplete Oyster
pre-pay journey starting or ending at the NR termini at Marylebone,
Euston, Liverpool Street and Fenchurch Street will be increased from
£1.70 to £5.00.

A sign opposite the ticket barriers at Fenchurch Street today confirms this.