Paul Terry wrote:

As has been said here repeatedly, using Oyster is not a sensible option
for those who use National Rail and who don't have to commute daily.

Repeating it does not make it any truer.

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TKD wrote:
People not from London can stop complaining too.
I haven't been.

Londoners deserve cheaper fares, in fact we pay in part for the costs
of the Underground through our council tax so I'm perfectly happy to
no longer subsidise tourists and visitors
.... and other Londoners ...

who, for whatever reason, do not adopt Oyster.
That's fair enough. A discount is on offer to Oyster users. There's
nothing hidden about the offer. Those who want to take advantage of it
can do so. Those who don't want to needn't.
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In article ,
(Nick Cooper) wrote:

Given that people can check how much Pre-Pay they have at the same
"places" that they actually add the Pre-Pay in the first place, it's
hardly a convincing argument. Would you say that a ATM card is
"limited" because you can't tell how much money you have in your
account unless you go to an ATM to check?

This is a totally absurd argument. I can look in my wallet to see
whether I've any cash left before going to an ATM. I can't look at an
Oyster before getting on a bus to see if I need to go somewhere else to
recharge it.

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"Chris Tolley" wrote in message
...
TKD wrote:
People not from London can stop complaining too.
I haven't been.

Londoners deserve cheaper fares, in fact we pay in part for the costs
of the Underground through our council tax so I'm perfectly happy to
no longer subsidise tourists and visitors
... and other Londoners ...

who, for whatever reason, do not adopt Oyster.
That's fair enough. A discount is on offer to Oyster users. There's
nothing hidden about the offer. Those who want to take advantage of it
can do so. Those who don't want to needn't.

The problems are going to come when hoards of tourists
arrive.

As has been pointed out, if you are making more than two
single journeys, it is cheaper to buy the osyter card, stick
three quid on it and throw it away when you have finished.

Are these people that queue up at the ticket office going to
be told this or are they just going to be sold a ticket at
three quid a throw.

My guess is the latter, and then these hoards of tourists are
going to go back home and complain even louder, than they
already do, about what a rip off the London underground is.

tim

In article ,
(Chris Tolley) wrote:

TKD wrote:
People not from London can stop complaining too.
I haven't been.

Londoners deserve cheaper fares, in fact we pay in part for the costs
of the Underground through our council tax so I'm perfectly happy to
no longer subsidise tourists and visitors
... and other Londoners ...

who, for whatever reason, do not adopt Oyster.
That's fair enough. A discount is on offer to Oyster users. There's
nothing hidden about the offer. Those who want to take advantage of it
can do so. Those who don't want to needn't.

What about the Londoners who can't get the benefits because their rail
services are provide by NR yet they still pay the council tax?

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Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
(tim \(moved to sweden\)) wrote:

The problems are going to come when hoards of tourists
arrive.

I doubt they will come like that. In hordes maybe.

HTH, HAND,

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Colin Rosenstiel

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:43:23 +0100, asdf
wrote:

Surely the whole point of the £3 deposit is that it covers a potential
"overdraft"?

What gives you that idea?

On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:25:54 +0100, "Sunil Sood"
wrote:

I don't think that Wandsworth gets a particularily good deal on its
government funding but it is much more efficient than most councils..

I've worked for them. They aren't.

On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:42:26 +0100, "TKD" wrote:

The signs above prepay validators in various locations with "Prepay
users must touch here" are totally baffling to everyone.

"Totally"? "Everyone"?

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 20:15:06 GMT, (Neil
Williams) wrote:

It does, but I prefer the more "socialist" idea of "you scratch my
back, I'll scratch yours" - for example that I can pay the same rate
as Londoners on their transport, and they can pay the same as me if
they ever visit Milton Keynes (should they want to).

Your preference is noted. And will be (as ever) ignored :-)


As others have posted, local taxation in this country is regulated to
the point of being a complete sham, anyhow.

You weaken your arguments by over-egging "Complete"? No.