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"d" wrote:

[snip]

The HEx is essentially a shuttle service. I don't think it's really
comparable to, say, Silverlink or First Great Western...



More like the Town Car then?

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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:01:03 -0000, Martin Underwood wrote in
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Paul wrote in
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[snip]
The concept of ticket offices and machines which only sell one
specific TOC's tickets is abhorrent to me.

HEX is not a TOC

All right. If you want to split hairs, maybe I should have said "the
TOC which runs the HEx service".

Which TOC runs it? I thought it was a privatly subsidised service

Is the company which runs it not classed as a TOC then?

No.

HEx is an Open Access Operator, like Hull Trains. They are both Train
Companies, but not TOCs.

A TOC is a franchise of part of the former-BR network - it's a bit of
terminology with a specific meaning.


And to clear up another bit of regular confusion, the TOC is not the
franchisee or vice versa.

So, for example: Central Trains = TOC; National Express = franchisee.
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"Peter Masson" wrote:


"Graeme Wall" wrote

HEX is not a TOC

The NRT seems quite content to describe HEx (and Hull Trains and West Coast
Railway Company for that matter) as a Train Operating Company. Unlike the
franchised TOCs they have no Public Service Obligation responsibilities,
but that doesn't stop them being a tOC.


OK pedant time, they are not Franchise Holders which is the generally
accepted meaning of TOCs in this context. Hence they do not have any public
service liabilities such as may be imposed on a Franchised TOC. Within their
own bailiwick and the limitations of the appropriate legislation they can do
what they like and can get away with, just like any other business.

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In message
wrote:

Graeme Wall wrote:

There isn't a TOC which runs the HEX service. HEX is operated by HEX
for the BAA.


So you're saying that HEX is a company that operates trains, but it's
not a train operating company...?


It's a train operating company but not a Train Operating Company, the
capitalisation is important.

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"Graeme Wall" wrote in message
...

It's a train operating company but not a Train Operating Company, the
capitalisation is important.

How much capital do you have to have?

Ian

Graeme Wall wrote:

More like the Town Car then?

The horrible spectre of a fourteen quid three minute ride in a PPM is
looking...

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Martin Underwood wrote:

What a mess our rail system has become: some stations owned/operated by
TOCs, some owned by Network Rail; some services operated by TOCs, some
operated by companies that are not TOCs.

Ain't it the truth.

Maybe I'm biassed because I can remember a time when the railways were
operated as a single entity with joined-up thinking!

And summers were warmer, too... I don't think it was ever the single
entity, but at least all parts realised that they were supposed to be
working together, and the differences between the entities (let's call
them regions) didn't actually bother the customers.
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d wrote:
"Martin Underwood" wrote in message
By failing to remove those signs, they are making people pay extra
for something that they don't need to and thus laying themselves
open to accusations (in this thread) of ripping off passengers.

No, as the signs are information signs only.

Why are you content that these signs misinform in these circumstances?
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Ian Jelf wrote:
In message , Ian F.

Of course, dropping the "road" changes things considerably. "Essex
Road" becomes "Essex", which is an entirely different kettle of fish

I know why visitors from the US do it; as pointed out elsewhere, they
do it at home. But it really annoys me because of the confusion it
causes. When in Rome.......

And you think that telling American visitors to London to behave as if
they are in Rome will lessen the confusion ... g
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Chris Tolley wrote:

Graeme Wall wrote:

More like the Town Car then?

The horrible spectre of a fourteen quid three minute ride in a PPM is
looking...

spelling correction: looming

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