Ross wrote:

You're making the same mistake, I think.

If they're arriving at the *ticket office*, they're intending to buy a
ticket in the first place, which makes the argument being advanced
completely fallacious.

If they're arriving at the ticket barrier (if there is one) or on the
platform, then it's a different matter entirely.

The offending message, as I recall, appears on the PIS displays
throughout the station.

Neil

"Neil Williams" writes:

The offending message, as I recall, appears on the PIS displays
throughout the station.

Therefore making some people who already hold a 1-6 travelcard to
believe the signs rather than the advice they were given earlier and
unnecessarily purchase a HEX ticket.

On 20 Jan 2006 09:40:19 -0800, Neil Williams wrote in
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Ross wrote:

If they're arriving at the *ticket office*, they're intending to buy a
ticket in the first place, which makes the argument being advanced
completely fallacious.

If they're arriving at the ticket barrier (if there is one) or on the
platform, then it's a different matter entirely.

The offending message, as I recall, appears on the PIS displays
throughout the station.

The argument being made by Pippa specifically states that the
passenger doesn't see the sign until after they've arrived at the
ticket office:

A typical sequence of events might go something like this:
1. A passenger arrives at HEX ticket office.
2. The passenger sees the sign saying travelcards aren't valid.

I'm not arguing against the idea that HEx should remove the signs
saying "Travelcards are not valid" when they are being accepted; I'm
arguing against the validity of the specific sequence of events as
posted by Pippa.
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Neil Williams wrote:
Ross wrote:

You're making the same mistake, I think.

If they're arriving at the *ticket office*, they're intending to
buy a ticket in the first place, which makes the argument being
advanced completely fallacious.

If they're arriving at the ticket barrier (if there is one) or on
the platform, then it's a different matter entirely.

The ticket office for HEx is right by the HEx (platforms 6,7) barriers
at Paddington.

The offending message, as I recall, appears on the PIS displays
throughout the station.

I was at Paddington on Sunday afternoon 22 January, and the only sign I
saw that said "Travelcards not accepted" was on the platform display at
Platform 7. HEx had two staff there to give advice to passengers; one
of them implied that Network Rail had not changed the displays despite
being requested to do so by HEx. HEx ticket staff at both Paddington
and the two stations at Heathrow were advising passengers to buy
Travelcards, though I think at least some of them were acting on their
own initiative. LU staff were on hand at T123 station and in the
arrivals hall at T4 to advise passengers and sell them Travelcards.

My conclusion is that (yesterday at any rate) any blame for wrong
information lay with Network Rail.

Network Rail were also guilty of holding my airport-bound HEx just west
of Westbourne Park for 3 minutes to let an HST overtake it. I thought
that the superior acceleration of a 100 mph Class 332 HEx was supposed
to keep it clear of a following 125 mph HST until Airport Junction.
--
Richard J.
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 02:11:14 GMT, Richard J. wrote in
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Ross wrote:

If they're arriving at the *ticket office*, they're intending to
buy a ticket in the first place, which makes the argument being
advanced completely fallacious.

If they're arriving at the ticket barrier (if there is one) or on
the platform, then it's a different matter entirely.

The ticket office for HEx is right by the HEx (platforms 6,7) barriers
at Paddington.

The ticket office at Lincoln is right by the gate (well, arch leading)
to platform 5. There's still a difference between arriving at the
ticket office and arriving at the platform gate.


The offending message, as I recall, appears on the PIS displays
throughout the station.

I was at Paddington on Sunday afternoon 22 January, and the only sign I
saw that said "Travelcards not accepted" was on the platform display at
Platform 7. HEx had two staff there to give advice to passengers; one
of them implied that Network Rail had not changed the displays despite
being requested to do so by HEx. HEx ticket staff at both Paddington
and the two stations at Heathrow were advising passengers to buy
Travelcards, though I think at least some of them were acting on their
own initiative. LU staff were on hand at T123 station and in the
arrivals hall at T4 to advise passengers and sell them Travelcards.

So the people claiming otherwise have been making assumptions about
what was happening on the ground?
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