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eastender wrote:
Is there a map showing routes of tube and rail tunnels?
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The .pdf street maps displayed by the TfL Journey Planner are
quite good if you want to check on a particular location. You
need to combine a tube journey with a walking route or a bus
journey in the area concerned.

I've just realised that the JP maps are only accurate for
*current* LU lines. The tunnel from Drayton Park to Old Street is
shown as dotted straight lines from station to station.

The quadrant and central area bus maps on the London Buses website
appears to show the route of the line between Drayton Park and
Moorgate... http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/pdfdocs/n_east.pdf
...for Drayton Park to Essex Road and...
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/pdfdocs/centlond.pdf
...for Essex Road to Moorgate.

Not to be relied on. Old Street to Essex Road is shown as a convenient
gentle curve well to the west of the route under the main roads that the
Bartholomew map shows. The latter seems much more likely.

Elsewhere on the Central London bus map, the Victoria Line across
Islington is completely wrong, as is the Jubilee Line between Baker
Street and Bond Street.
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Richard J.
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Martin Underwood wrote:
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eastender wrote:
Is there a map showing routes of tube and rail tunnels?

I didn't realise that map was still being updated. I have a 1956
version of the same map in Bartholomew's Central London Atlas-Guide. I
notice that your version, like mine, still has "South Kensington
Stas.", dating from the time when the Piccadilly station was separate
from the District. Yes, it is quite good, though not completely
accurate at South Ken.

What route does it show for the Jubilee Line
between Baker Street and Bond Street? It should show it passing
under Park Square near Regents Park station.

The Jubilee line crosses under the west section of Park Crescent and just
avoids the Square itself, whereas the Bakerloo line passes through Park
Square and then down Portland Place:
http://www.martinunderwood.f9.co.uk/Baker%20Street.jpg

tunnel routes
 

Martin Underwood wrote:
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Martin Underwood wrote:
Richard J. wrote in message
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eastender wrote:
Is there a map showing routes of tube and rail tunnels?

I didn't realise that map was still being updated. I have a 1956
version of the same map in Bartholomew's Central London
Atlas-Guide. I notice that your version, like mine, still has
"South Kensington Stas.", dating from the time when the Piccadilly
station was separate from the District. Yes, it is quite good,
though not completely accurate at South Ken.

What route does it show for the Jubilee Line
between Baker Street and Bond Street? It should show it passing
under Park Square near Regents Park station.

The Jubilee line crosses under the west section of Park Crescent
and just avoids the Square itself, whereas the Bakerloo line passes
through Park Square and then down Portland Place:
http://www.martinunderwood.f9.co.uk/Baker%20Street.jpg

That looks reasonably accurate. There is a Jubilee Line ventilation
shaft in Park Square gardens, near the 'Q' of the word 'Square' printed
on the garden (green) on your map, but I've no way of knowing whether it
is directly over the tunnels.
--
Richard J.
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Richard J. wrote:
eastender wrote:
Is there a map showing routes of tube and rail tunnels?

There are various maps that claim to show the geographic routes of the
tubes, as distinct from the Beck-style diagram, but none in my
experience are completely accurate. Some of them are listed at
http://owen.massey.net/tubemaps.html. For example, I have yet to see a
map that shows the route of the Piccadilly Line east of South Kensington
station with its two S-bends.

The .pdf street maps displayed by the TfL Journey Planner are quite good
if you want to check on a particular location. You need to combine a
tube journey with a walking route or a bus journey in the area
concerned.


I was interested in the Track Map, which is based on Quail, and repeats
something from Quail which I have wondered about for a while. That is,
both show one track of the Victoria line crossing over the top of the
Bakerloo north and south of Oxford Circus.

Is this really correct or is it a repetition of a mistake? The reasons
why I doubt it are

1) It's easier to dig under an existing tunnel than over one, I would
have thought.

2) The Bakerloo is relatively near the surface under Portland Place
already.

3) The Victoria has to drop a very long way before Warren Street, and I
think a bit before Green Park, so it would seem odd for one track to go
upwards first in either case.

4) The northern end is contradicted by the famous 3 D artist's
impression of Oxford Circus.