wrote:
I travelled on the 1823 a few weeks ago and this two-unit train
certainly wasn't busy. Far better would have been to ban certain busy
trains - e.g 1815 Cambridge and others which are already full to spread
the loadings.

The 1753 should be 8-car, and the 1823 will be 6-car. If there's any
fault, they'll bring out a 4-car train from Hornsey and that can get a
little crowded - but people are often told that first class is
declassified (and even if they're not toldt, it always is on any 23/53
train).

These services also stop at places like New Barnet or Oakleigh Park -
so you can still step off and back on. Thus, these services can't
restrict Zone1-6 Travelcard users anyway!

Are they going to change the stock diagrams to reflect this change? The
timetables do not appear to have changed. How can they predict which
services should be reduced in length?

It's a tough one. I guess the restrictions MIGHT help these services,
but as I don't use them I won't know until anyone reports back on here
later this week. Mind you, it may take a while before people actively
avoid the peak services, as they either won't know or will pay the
extra (but re-consider for future travel).

Jonathan

On 12 Jun 2006 03:47:08 -0700, "Jonathan Morris"
wrote:

The 1753 should be 8-car, and the 1823 will be 6-car. If there's any
fault, they'll bring out a 4-car train from Hornsey and that can get a
little crowded - but people are often told that first class is
declassified (and even if they're not toldt, it always is on any 23/53
train).

I queried FCC on exactly this point a month ago, referencing the 1753.
Their reply made it clear that if I used the first class section to my
local station (Oakleigh Park) without paying a first class fare, I
would be liable to a penalty fare. Regrettably, the reply failed to
tell me what the first class fare is (and I did ask).

Regards,

Clive
--
Clive R Robertson -- AS/400 Programmer.

Webmaster of http://www.osterleypark.org.uk/ -- this describes
a beautiful National Trust property in West London.

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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006, Clive R Robertson wrote:

I queried FCC on exactly this point a month ago, referencing the 1753.
Their reply made it clear that if I used the first class section to my
local station (Oakleigh Park) without paying a first class fare, I
would be liable to a penalty fare. Regrettably, the reply failed to
tell me what the first class fare is (and I did ask).

I reckon that's because there isn't one. At least not a point to
point fare (there might be season tickets?). Qjump's complete list of
fares contains exactly one entry - a "standard day single". That's
it.

Clive R Robertson wrote:
I queried FCC on exactly this point a month ago, referencing the 1753.
Their reply made it clear that if I used the first class section to my
local station (Oakleigh Park) without paying a first class fare, I
would be liable to a penalty fare. Regrettably, the reply failed to
tell me what the first class fare is (and I did ask).

I take my hat off to you for getting a response from FCC on anything,
even if it was complete rubbish!

There's no first class on the service. Even in the new timetable, where
it is now the 1752, it's clearly not marked. On at least one 317, the
seat covers and the 'next compartment is 1st class only' vinyls have
even been removed! If you /could/ buy a 1st class ticket, imagine how
annoyed you would be when you got a 313 with no first class section!
That's exactly why there's no advertised service because it gives them
the flexibility on stock they wouldn't have otherwise.

Some passengers that get grief (and it's very rare now as the grippers
are usually aware and save themselves the embarrassment) have letters
obtained from Wagn to show inspectors. Now, consider that FCC still
work out of the London Lines office in Old Street.. so it's probably
the same member of staff that told you the exact opposite of what they
said before!

Jonathan