Ian Jelf wrote:
In message , Paul Corfield
writes
A quirk of blinds on buses operated by First. There are a number of
special features on them and many of them work rather well. Needless
to say the BBC (Bus Blinds Committee of TfL - I kid you not)
Boggle

is now stamping on all of this individuality so we can be reduced to
the hopeless dull, uninformative crap that is being seen on new buses
on recently retendered routes. In other words single line destination
displays with no via points and utterly meaningless names for certain
locations - Clapham Park for Streatham Hill, Atkins Rd on the 45s
This single line display with no "via" points is truly *ludicrous*. I
hope it's a fad.

Indeed - I've noticed this on both the 13 and the 9 for certain vehicles
- simply stating "Aldwych" is very pointless by itself, and is extremely
unhelpful to visitors when trying to work out which of dozens of buses
to catch from Oxford Street, for example.

The slap in the face is that the text isn't even much bigger than on the
types of blind it replaced!

I hope this is a swing too far in one direction - the other end of the
scale being the tall, narrow text used on some older vehicles that
operate sometimes on the 49, 148, 52 and N9 amongst others. There's a
happy medium in existence, let's hope it gets back there!

and the now classic Manor Circus which is really Richmond on the route
493. This latter one has now been "repealed" by the BBC and Richmond
can be used on route 493 blinds!
Sanity prevails! Now to work on those "via" points.......



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Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:18:49 +0100, Ian Jelf
wrote:

In message , Paul Corfield
writes
A quirk of blinds on buses operated by First. There are a number of
special features on them and many of them work rather well. Needless
to say the BBC (Bus Blinds Committee of TfL - I kid you not)
Boggle

It would be nice if they actually rode on some bus routes to see where
people live and what they expect to see on the front of a bus.

is now stamping on all of this individuality so we can be reduced to
the hopeless dull, uninformative crap that is being seen on new buses
on recently retendered routes. In other words single line destination
displays with no via points and utterly meaningless names for certain
locations - Clapham Park for Streatham Hill, Atkins Rd on the 45s
This single line display with no "via" points is truly *ludicrous*. I
hope it's a fad.

Nope - it's called DDA compliance and thus will be implemented
everywhere. Quite why Lothian Buses are compliant with their via points
and TfL must be different no one has properly explained.

and the now classic Manor Circus which is really Richmond on the route
493. This latter one has now been "repealed" by the BBC and Richmond
can be used on route 493 blinds!
Sanity prevails! Now to work on those "via" points.......

This has been argued endlessly on various yahoo type groups including
input from people very senior and very close to the debate. I fear
there is no possible reprieve for via points on front blinds in the same
way as there is no likely reprieve for proper timetables, timetable
booklets and possibly the quadrant bus maps - it is rumoured only one or
maybe two more editions will be published before they die at the hands
of "simple" information.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

In message , Paul Corfield
writes
Nope - it's called DDA compliance and thus will be implemented
everywhere. Quite why Lothian Buses are compliant with their via points
and TfL must be different no one has properly explained.
And that is one ray of hope I retain for future provision of "via"
points, old optimist that I am.

Reducing the amount of information so the limited amount left is legible
is wooly thinking at best.

and the now classic Manor Circus which is really Richmond on the route
493. This latter one has now been "repealed" by the BBC and Richmond
can be used on route 493 blinds!
Sanity prevails! Now to work on those "via" points.......

This has been argued endlessly on various yahoo type groups including
input from people very senior and very close to the debate. I fear
there is no possible reprieve for via points on front blinds in the same
way as there is no likely reprieve for proper timetables, timetable
booklets and possibly the quadrant bus maps -
Is any/all of that because of DDA-related issues?

it is rumoured only one or
maybe two more editions will be published before they die at the hands
of "simple" information.
I want to move to Switzerland.......

:-))
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Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk