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Please visit http://www.planajourney.co.uk/ where you will find our multi-modal journey planning alternative to 'Transport Direct'. The September 15th issue of 'Bus and Coach Professional' will contain a comprehensive feature article on our system. In the meantime, please go to our site and try out our planner for yourself. All the best, Iain Logan On behalf of: JourneyPlan Ltd - making travel simple! Winners of PTS Innovation Award 2005 Office: 01383 731048 The Original and Best UK Journey Planner -- Iain Logan, Langholm, Dumfriesshire Work: http://www.planajourney.co.uk/ Mail: |
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Iain Wilkie Logan wrote:
Please visit http://www.planajourney.co.uk/ where you will find our multi-modal journey planning alternative to 'Transport Direct'. Not bad at all. Much better than Transport Direct certainly. Good Points Very fast Simple to use Shows detail on train facilities (buffet, first class etc) Shows full Train Descriptions (1A23 etc) Shows detailed fare information Bad Points Limited range of locations (not many bus stations, no postcode lookup) Doesn't know LUL fares Doesn't know fares which include underground. I tried a Hertfordshire - South London journey, and it gave directions via the Victoria Line with interchange at Brixton (Vic is much better), and separate fares to Finsbury Park, and from Brixton - you can get a single ticket including the undergound. regards HN28 |
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In article ,
Iain Wilkie Logan wrote: Please visit http://www.planajourney.co.uk/ where you will find our multi-modal journey planning alternative to 'Transport Direct'. The September 15th issue of 'Bus and Coach Professional' will contain a comprehensive feature article on our system. In the meantime, please go to our site and try out our planner for yourself. How on earth can this be described as "The BEST"? It will not acknowledge that there is a railway line between Westbury and Salisbury, insisting on sending me via Bath and Reading! |
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Iain Wilkie Logan wrote:
Please visit http://www.planajourney.co.uk/ where you will find our multi-modal journey planning alternative to 'Transport Direct'. I've used your Palm Rail Journey Planner for a few years now and it's indispensable. The online planner seems to be pretty good for planning rail journeys. It's certainly very fast and I like the fact it gives platform numbers. However it doesn't appear to handle door to door multi modal journeys as well as transport-direct (which has improved greatly recently I think). |
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Iain Wilkie Logan wrote:
Please visit http://www.planajourney.co.uk/ where you will find our multi-modal journey planning alternative to 'Transport Direct'. The September 15th issue of 'Bus and Coach Professional' will contain a comprehensive feature article on our system. In the meantime, please go to our site and try out our planner for yourself. Trafford to Lancaster. OK, Manchester Trafford Centre to Lancaster Bus Station. 'No journeys' OK, press the IE back button, not the one on the page. Oops, it crashed. Ok, fire it up again, Trafford Park (trains) to Lancaster (trains). Lots of options with one change showing. Get the details, oops need to change at WAC and WBQ. Let's see if I can get any buses, oops IE crashed again.... |
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On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:28:19 +0100, Nick Finnigan
wrote: OK, press the IE back button, not the one on the page. Oops, it crashed. [...] Let's see if I can get any buses, oops IE crashed again.... Use a real web browser then :) -- James Farrar . @gmail.com |
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"Iain Wilkie Logan" wrote in message ... Please visit http://www.planajourney.co.uk/ where you will find our multi-modal journey planning alternative to 'Transport Direct'. Tried it for journeys into Portsmouth. It didn't recognise the name of my hamlet or my nearest village (population about 5,000). It did recognise my local town and the first route suggested would take nearly 5 hours as it went up to London and then back to Portsmouth by train. I could walk it quicker. By car it normally takes about 25 minutes in the rush hour to travel the 12 miles. Ian |
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Iain Wilkie Logan wrote:
The Original and Best UK Journey Planner Hmmm... Braunton to Barnstaple offers me a single journey at 0805. Turns out it's our daily National Express coach, and what a bargain it is, at a measly GPB 6.80 for a single 20-minute, six mile journey. Sounds so much more appealing than the three buses an hour you could catch instead (at an exorbitant GBP 2.40 day return I might add, and with no optional insurance available to boot), doesn't it? Neil Sunderland -- Braunton, Devon Please observe the Reply-To address. NP: Saffire - The Uppity Blues Women - Middle Aged Blues Boogie (from the album 'The Uppity Blues Women') |
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On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 13:38:36 +0100, Iain Wilkie Logan
wrote: The Original and Best UK Journey Planner Not until it recognises postcodes. -- James Farrar . @gmail.com |
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Welcome to the world of those who would love to see you fail, it covers
their own short comings - personally I find your product superb. -- DAS, All opinions are mine and mine alone http://merseyjcn.fotopic.net/ http://www.wirralfinescale.com/ Quality modelling and no politics |
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"David Skipsey" wrote in message ... Welcome to the world of those who would love to see you fail, it covers their own short comings - personally I find your product superb. What do you expect when the OP ends by claiming to have 'The Original and Best UK Journey Planner'. As I and others have shown, it doesn't work for the journeys we make. Transport Direct's offering seems to work much better for PT, although the timings for car journeys are usually way out. Ian |
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"Philip Hardy" wrote in message ... Iain Wilkie Logan wrote: Please visit http://www.planajourney.co.uk/ where you will find our multi-modal journey planning alternative to 'Transport Direct'. I've used your Palm Rail Journey Planner for a few years now and it's indispensable. I also am a user of the Palm Planner.. just done my monthly update. I never leave home without it. -- Ken Ward "Society for the production of Maritime Reefs using MerseyRail 142's" (For membership email... ) "Leave the Mobile Phone at home day Oct 25th 2006" |
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Ian wrote:
"David Skipsey" wrote in message ... Welcome to the world of those who would love to see you fail, it covers their own short comings - personally I find your product superb. What do you expect when the OP ends by claiming to have 'The Original and Best UK Journey Planner'. As I and others have shown, it doesn't work for the journeys we make. Transport Direct's offering seems to work much better for PT, although the timings for car journeys are usually way out. Ian Nope, but it got him a load of hits to his site as well as some constructive help. Mark |
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"David Skipsey" wrote:
[Dave, your email address appears to be wrong - should it be "ntlworld" with two 'L's?] Welcome to the world of those who would love to see you fail, it covers their own short comings - personally I find your product superb. Far from it. I would love to see a fully functional multi-modal journey planner developed and available online. But when someone pops up out of nowhere claiming that they have created such a thing, and it is nowhere near, you can't be surprised that people are somewhat critical of it. -- Stevie D \\\\\ ///// Bringing dating agencies to the \\\\\\\__X__/////// common hedgehog since 2001 - "HedgeHugs" ___\\\\\\\'/ \'///////_____________________________________________ |
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In message , at 13:38:36 on Sat, 9
Sep 2006, Iain Wilkie Logan remarked: please go to our site and try out our planner for yourself A few constructive criticisms. 1) I entered my Town (West Bridgford) and it isn't listed in the drop-down list. Nor is there an entry for "none of the above". The only way to review my selection seems to be to press the Browser "back" button, which is inelegant. (Transport Direct does list West Bridgford). 2) I'm going to Stansted Airport (for no better reason than that's where I drove to yesterday). I know it's a Sunday (and trains are a bit dodgy) but it only shows routes via London, and therefore much more expensive than via Ely. Perhaps I should have the choice of "Not via London", and "Cheapest", as well as your assumption that I want "fastest". One of the suggestions is a coach (which is good) but pressing the "fares" button gives no results. I'm impressed that you seem to know what platform a train will arrive at Kings Cross - the station announcers often don't, until a few minutes beforehand. 3) Trying Melton Mowbray (the only nearby place for a through-train on a weekday evening), you suggest going via Leicester, which is the opposite direction to normal. OK, if it's faster at that particular time I suppose it's OK, but have you checked this with the routing guide? 4) So let's check "Foxton to London"... but this defaults to "London Bridge LU", and I apparently need to know which terminus I'll be arriving at (how does that work for places with two terminii, such as Cambridge to KX and LS). [ps What's "Larkhill London St Cadzow St"??] ... and Ooops, it suggests a trip via Cambridge, which is doubling back and not a permitted route. 5) A famous problem with Cambridge Station to Newmarket (in Transport Direct) seems to be repeated in your planner. If you specify the destination as Newmarket Bus Station, it completely ignores the direct train (21 minutes) plus a few minutes walk in Newmarket, preferring: Walk to Cambridge Bus Station (25 mins) then a further over 3 hours getting coaches via Stansted [yes, that place again]. That'll do for now. -- Roland Perry |
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Stevie D wrote:
But when someone pops up out of nowhere claiming that they have created such a thing, and it is nowhere near, you can't be surprised that people are somewhat critical of it. Hardly popping up out of nowhere - Iain's been posting to u.r on and off for the past 8 years at least, and developing journey planning software for even longer than that. Then again, the earliest post of his that Google can find says Please don't be disheartened at what may seem rather a harsh criticism, but it's probably what a lot of your visitors haven't bothered to tell you. First impressions count for a lot on the web, and that's the first problem you must address. Ah well, welcome to Usenet! -- Joyce Whitchurch, Stalybridge, UK ================================= |
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Iain Wilkie Logan wrote:
The Original and Best UK Journey Planner Haven't looked at the system, but if you ever want coverage anywhere (apart from when posting ads on newsgroups), please drop the 'original and best' bit. If we ever get a press release that starts with "world's first" "original" or "best" it's bound to be ignored! In most cases the product or service isn't the first in the world, totally original or the best! Jonathan |
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On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 13:38:36 +0100, Iain Wilkie Logan
wrote: Please visit http://www.planajourney.co.uk/ where you will find our multi-modal journey planning alternative to 'Transport Direct'. The September 15th issue of 'Bus and Coach Professional' will contain a comprehensive feature article on our system. Ironic then that it doesn't seem to know about any buses at all. Doesn't know any of the regular public buses that I get in London or Newcastle. Also I tested it with Kensington Olympia (LU) to Shepherd's Bush (LU). Now anybody that knows the area would walk it or perhaps get the bus between the two, but I suppose it can be forgiven for suggesting a 53 minute tube route - however it priced the journey at £6.00 when it should only be £3.00 - it counted two of the three tube segments as separate journeys for some reason! |
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On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:15:14 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: I'm impressed that you seem to know what platform a train will arrive at Kings Cross - the station announcers often don't, until a few minutes beforehand. Well every train has a particular booked platform in the full timetable (differing public editions of the timetable info may not show this data though). Things may get swapped around last minute some days but that should only be when things are going wrong and departures are late. There used to be a monitor a little way down one of the platforms that was for the station staff that showed the anticipated platform, ages before (30-60 mins) the public display did, I always used to wander over and check it out - but I think they took it away now. Pretty sure they just choose not to announce it at KX until the last minute to avoid mad dashes of departing passengers or huge crowds of meeters and greeters. |
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"Peter Frimberley" wrote in message
... On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 13:38:36 +0100, Iain Wilkie Logan wrote: Please visit http://www.planajourney.co.uk/ where you will find our multi-modal journey planning alternative to 'Transport Direct'. The September 15th issue of 'Bus and Coach Professional' will contain a comprehensive feature article on our system. Ironic then that it doesn't seem to know about any buses at all. Doesn't know any of the regular public buses that I get in London or Newcastle. Indeed, what is the point of this? First two trials I make : Hungerford to Swindon tomorrow - by train it offers a reasonable response; by bus, offers only a journey via Heathrow. In fact, there is a regular interval direct bus service between these two towns. As far as I can see, there's nothing on the site to indicate that the absence of an offer doesn't imply the absence of a service - and I can't see a list of which operators it covers - which makes it utterly useless as a "multi-mode" service Bath to Swindon tonight - although it seems to understand that engineering work interrupts the advertised service it hasn't got details of the replacement buses. So it offers only a ridiculous journy via Newport and Gloucester. And no wonder they're touting for business.. SMS messages cost 25p plus the standard charge. As far as I can see, I can get better answers from the National Rail service, and I can get it via WAP on my mobile for nothing but a trivial standard data charge Walter Man |
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On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:28:19 +0100, Nick Finnigan
wrote: Iain Wilkie Logan wrote: Please visit http://www.planajourney.co.uk/ where you will find our multi-modal journey planning alternative to 'Transport Direct'. The September 15th issue of 'Bus and Coach Professional' will contain a comprehensive feature article on our system. In the meantime, please go to our site and try out our planner for yourself. Trafford to Lancaster. OK, Manchester Trafford Centre to Lancaster Bus Station. 'No journeys' OK, press the IE back button, not the one on the page. Oops, it crashed. Ok, fire it up again, Trafford Park (trains) to Lancaster (trains). Lots of options with one change showing. Get the details, oops need to change at WAC and WBQ. Let's see if I can get any buses, oops IE crashed again.... I have had the thing crash on me several times. I fail to see the point in using something that cannot work with Internet Explorer which is what an awful lot of people will have on their computers. Having read the long list of comments it seems this is primarily a rail planner with a smattering of some National Express routes. There is no concept of local journeys by bus and it is impossible to plan a door to door journey. As most people actually travel from one place to another rather than station to station I do not see how the accolade "The Original and Best UK Journey Planner" can possibly be given to this "system". The planner is therefore fundamentally flawed. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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wrote in message ... In article , Iain Wilkie Logan wrote: Please visit http://www.planajourney.co.uk/ where you will find our multi-modal journey planning alternative to 'Transport Direct'. The September 15th issue of 'Bus and Coach Professional' will contain a comprehensive feature article on our system. In the meantime, please go to our site and try out our planner for yourself. How on earth can this be described as "The BEST"? It will not acknowledge that there is a railway line between Westbury and Salisbury, insisting on sending me via Bath and Reading! Maybe its a subtle hint for engineering work? |
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Iain Wilkie Logan wrote in
: http://www.planajourney.co.uk/ Well, it turns my journey from a 25 minute car/15 minute motorbike journey into a 2-3 hour nightmare, with no guarantee I will be in time to start my shift, and that is just Mon-Fri. On Sat-Sun, I might as well phone in sick, because I's be sacked for my time-keeping. Working a 12 hour shift, I'd be very miffed to put another 6 hours travel time on my day. Your site just shows up what a load of ******** public transport is compared to using ones own initiative. I appreciate public transport may not be the best thing for my own circumstances, but people shoving it down my throat as the be all and end all of saving the planet just sticks in the self same throat. The other answer often given me is car sharing. I know no one else who works the same shifts as me, travels the same way, geographically,or would be prepared to wait around when it was their turn to share, even in the same company I work for, or any company in a fifty mile radius. If you can get the sheep to follow your herd, good luck to you. Don't expect this goat to follow. At the best I could hope for more clear roads, with less car users, ie. the people who can barely drive, but use a car for convenience to the detriment of people who can actually drive a car with pride in their skills. -- Tunku "end user" v. A command regrettably not implemented in most systems. |
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Iain Wilkie Logan wrote in
: The Original and Best UK Journey Planner On just one simple trial - refuses to acknowledge that Leicester Forest East (LFE) is anything other than a motorway service area (it is a suburb of Leicester - as is Leicester Forest West - also missing). It has also wiped Walsgrave Hospital (Coventry) off the map! A journey (any mode) from LFE to Walsgrave Hospital sent me via Gatwick by coach. (Stagecoach 48 bus to Coventry, then bus to the hospital) Must try harder. |
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In message , at 09:17:39 on Mon, 11
Sep 2006, Mike the unimaginative remarked: On just one simple trial - refuses to acknowledge that Leicester Forest East (LFE) is anything other than a motorway service area (it is a suburb of Leicester - as is Leicester Forest West - also missing). It has also wiped Walsgrave Hospital (Coventry) off the map! A journey (any mode) from LFE to Walsgrave Hospital sent me via Gatwick by coach. (Stagecoach 48 bus to Coventry, then bus to the hospital) Must try harder. I'm hoping the author can come back and answer some of these criticisms. But it appears that: The planner only recognises places served by trains (including LUL) and long distance coaches, and mainly suggests travel only by these modes. It has some "walks" between nearby coach and train stations, but not all of them. -- Roland Perry |
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On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 13:38:36 +0100, Iain Wilkie Logan wrote:
Please visit http://www.planajourney.co.uk/ where you will find our multi-modal journey planning alternative to 'Transport Direct'. Needs work, a lot of work. Most of the places I tried to enter appear not to exist in your database. The "search" button is greyed out, which is a stupid piece of interface design. A cross London trip from Waterloo to St Pancras results in a recommendation to change trains four times. Waterloo(trains)-Waterloo(LU)-Euston(LU)-Kings Cross(LU)-St Pancras (trains) Which seems bloody daft. |
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"Iain Wilkie Logan" wrote in message ... Please visit http://www.planajourney.co.uk/ where you will find our multi-modal journey planning alternative to 'Transport Direct'. The September 15th issue of 'Bus and Coach Professional' will contain a comprehensive feature article on our system. In the meantime, please go to our site and try out our planner for yourself. I just did. It crashes IE6 when you try to go back a page. It crashes IE6 when you try to plan a journey. That is crap. Back to the drawing board for you. Nick -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Warning: Do not use Ultimate-Anonymity They are worthless spammers that are running a scam. |
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In article ,
Roland Perry wrote: The planner only recognises places served by trains (including LUL) and long distance coaches, and mainly suggests travel only by these modes. Not quite - if you travel from Edinburgh it starts at the bus station even when the whole of the journey is by train. Sam |
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In message , at
12:25:23 on Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Sam Wilson remarked: The planner only recognises places served by trains (including LUL) and long distance coaches, and mainly suggests travel only by these modes. Not quite - if you travel from Edinburgh it starts at the bus station even when the whole of the journey is by train. Is the bus station (and hence Edinburgh) served by long distance coaches? If so it meets my description. Although most towns I looked at had a *choice* of Bus or Train station (where both existed). -- Roland Perry |
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In article ,
Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 12:25:23 on Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Sam Wilson remarked: The planner only recognises places served by trains (including LUL) and long distance coaches, and mainly suggests travel only by these modes. Not quite - if you travel from Edinburgh it starts at the bus station even when the whole of the journey is by train. Is the bus station (and hence Edinburgh) served by long distance coaches? If so it meets my description. Yes, but that's not the point. Although most towns I looked at had a *choice* of Bus or Train station (where both existed). If you just give "edinburgh" as a starting point it chooses the bus station. I gave it a trip to Stevenage this coming Friday, arriving at 20:00. It offered two journeys by train and two (really one) by air. In all cases the journeys started with a walk from the bus station to Waverley station or to Waverley Bridge where the airport buses run from (no, they don't run from the bus station!). Sam |
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15:36:22 on Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Sam Wilson remarked: The planner only recognises places served by trains (including LUL) and long distance coaches, and mainly suggests travel only by these modes. Not quite - if you travel from Edinburgh it starts at the bus station even when the whole of the journey is by train. Is the bus station (and hence Edinburgh) served by long distance coaches? If so it meets my description. Yes, but that's not the point. Although most towns I looked at had a *choice* of Bus or Train station (where both existed). If you just give "edinburgh" as a starting point it chooses the bus station. Not really. It gives you a pick list of many places in Edinburgh, but the bus station is just the first on the list. This is the same as my #4 complaint: "Entering London gives London Bridge (and a drop-down list of other places in London)". What it really needs is the most generic "middle of $city" at the top of the pick list. In all cases the journeys started with a walk from the bus station to Waverley station or to Waverley Bridge where the airport buses run from (no, they don't run from the bus station!). It's expecting you to use the drop-down list for those starting points. -- Roland Perry |
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In article ,
Roland Perry wrote: It's expecting you to use the drop-down list for those starting points. Ah - I see now. From the front page it's pretty obvious when the display changes to offer you the drop down lists. I used the "show me how to use this" button where the geometry changes much less when you hit the search button and I was confused because there's no highlighting of the button so I just thought I'd mi**** it. So I pressed it again and it gave me routes from the bus station. I guess my complaint has transmogrified into "insufficient attention to HCI principles in user interface". :-) Sam |
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In my haste to post details of the latest Journey Planner I made some mistakes which I must put right. I should have given first priority to clearing the text of my posting with Journeyplan, and must point out that the comparison with 'Transport Direct' was my personal opinion, and not that of Journeyplan Ltd. To clarify: my position with Journeyplan Ltd. is not as an employee, but as a technical consultant. Please accept my apologies for any misunderstanding. On the technical side, and in response to some of your comments, please note the following: 1. The planner does not contain details of local buses in England and Wales and can only be used in its full multi-modal capacity for journeys wholly within or between Scotland, Northern Ireland, Guernsey, Jersey and the Isle of Man. For both timetable and fares information we can only display the information that we can source. 2. In addition to National Express and Rail services, data for England and Wales includes some airport coach connections in order to properly integrate air and rail services. 3. The rail portion of the planner uses nationally standardised connectional information. Journeyplan always welcomes feedback and constructive criticism that helps to improve the planner and urges users to continue to provide feedback via their website http://www.planajourney.co.uk. They will investigate and respond to each data issue that has been raised. Thank you for your responses. All the best, Iain Worth a visit: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/ 'Free Our Data Campaign' -- Iain Logan, Langholm, Dumfriesshire Home: http://homepages.enterprise.net/iainlogan/ Work: http://www.planajourney.co.uk/ Mail: |
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In message , at 17:05:35 on Mon, 11
Sep 2006, Iain Wilkie Logan remarked: 3. The rail portion of the planner uses nationally standardised connectional information. But not the routing guide, it seems. Journeyplan always welcomes feedback and constructive criticism that helps to improve the planner and urges users to continue to provide feedback via their website http://www.planajourney.co.uk. They will investigate and respond to each data issue that has been raised. Do we need to re-submit our findings, or will you send them in for us? -- Roland Perry |
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On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:09:18 +0100, Nick Pedley wrote:
In the meantime, please go to our site and try out our planner for yourself. I just did. It crashes IE6 when you try to go back a page. It crashes IE6 when you try to plan a journey. That is crap. Back to the drawing board for you. Or for Microsoft. In theory, a web page shouldn't be able to crash a browser... |
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Iain Wilkie Logan wrote:
1. The planner does not contain details of local buses in England and Wales and can only be used in its full multi-modal capacity for journeys wholly within or between Scotland, Northern Ireland, Guernsey, Jersey and the Isle of Man. For both timetable and fares information we can only display the information that we can source. If you're feeling adventurous, you could source local bus information by downloading timetable PDFs off (say) Arriva/Stagecoach/First's website, and scraping them to extract the times. [...] Worth a visit: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/ 'Free Our Data Campaign' Yes, it's depressing that the PT industry treats its timetable/availability data as a marketable asset, rather than a publically available dataset which would encourage more people to travel by bus or train. Richard |
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In uk.railway Steve Firth wrote:
A cross London trip from Waterloo to St Pancras results in a recommendation to change trains four times. Waterloo(trains)-Waterloo(LU)-Euston(LU)-Kings Cross(LU)-St Pancras (trains) That's not four changes. It's saying: Walk from Waterloo concourse to Waterloo tube Catch a train to Euston (tube) Change to a train to King's Cross (tube) Walk to St Pancras concourse It's only flagged as one change: but it explicitly tells you of sections where you'd need to walk, such as where the tube station is distinct from the concourse. These are generally obvious and humans would do it without thinking. But it's useful to have it outlined how long the walk is if you don't have local knowledge - is it 5 mins or half an hour? Theo (who has been using www.9292ov.nl recently and find it quite a good planner if you've never even set foot in the country concerned so have no local knowledge whatever. Once you've figured out what the Dutch words mean :) |
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On 12 Sep 2006 12:22:50 +0100 (BST), Theo Markettos
wrote: In uk.railway Steve Firth wrote: A cross London trip from Waterloo to St Pancras results in a recommendation to change trains four times. Waterloo(trains)-Waterloo(LU)-Euston(LU)-Kings Cross(LU)-St Pancras (trains) That's not four changes. It's saying: Walk from Waterloo concourse to Waterloo tube Catch a train to Euston (tube) Change to a train to King's Cross (tube) Walk to St Pancras concourse It's also bloody stupid because who would want to change at Euston? It must jointly win the prize (along with Embankment) as the station with the most people standing looking lost at every line diagram or sign pointing to a platform or line. Far more convenient to take the Bakerloo Line to Oxford Circus and make a cross platform, level interchange to the Victoria Line to Kings Cross. The Jubilee Line to Green Park and then Victoria Line is not ideal but it's probably less confusing, as a second choice, than going via Euston. -- Paul C Admits to working for London Underground! |
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"Paul Corfield" wrote It's also bloody stupid because who would want to change at Euston? It must jointly win the prize (along with Embankment) as the station with the most people standing looking lost at every line diagram or sign pointing to a platform or line. Far more convenient to take the Bakerloo Line to Oxford Circus and make a cross platform, level interchange to the Victoria Line to Kings Cross. The Jubilee Line to Green Park and then Victoria Line is not ideal but it's probably less confusing, as a second choice, than going via Euston. Or Northern/Piccadilly via Leicester Sq., which is the way I did it in pre-Victoria Line days. |
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