On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:32 +0100 (BST), Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

And how will Oyster do network card (or any other railcard)
discounts.

I would expect that it won't. What we're most likely to see, I
reckon, is a German-style joint tariff in which TfL sets fares and
"national rail" type offers won't be valid.

Why? I get Network Card discounts on tickets from Cambridge that include
Underground travel, day Travelcards and tickets to Underground zones.

You only get the Railcard discounts on the NR part of the fare, not
the Tube part. (Though through fares are now calculated in a
complicated and obscure way, and I'm not sure they're even the sum of
NR and Tube parts any more.)

In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:32 +0100 (BST), Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

And how will Oyster do network card (or any other railcard)
discounts.

I would expect that it won't. What we're most likely to see, I
reckon, is a German-style joint tariff in which TfL sets fares
and "national rail" type offers won't be valid.

Why? I get Network Card discounts on tickets from Cambridge that
include Underground travel, day Travelcards and tickets to
Underground zones.

You only get the Railcard discounts on the NR part of the fare, not
the Tube part. (Though through fares are now calculated in a
complicated and obscure way, and I'm not sure they're even the sum
of NR and Tube parts any more.)

Not so. The Day travelcard fare gets 34% off just like the London
Terminals Cheap Day Return does.

Examples:
Cambridge-London Terminals CDR: 17.60, with Network card: 11.60. 66% of
17.60=11.62.
Cambridge Day Travelcard: 22.50 with Network card: 14.85. 66% of
22.50=14.85.

QED.

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Colin Rosenstiel

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:02 +0100 (BST), Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

Why? I get Network Card discounts on tickets from Cambridge that
include Underground travel, day Travelcards and tickets to
Underground zones.

You only get the Railcard discounts on the NR part of the fare, not
the Tube part. (Though through fares are now calculated in a
complicated and obscure way, and I'm not sure they're even the sum
of NR and Tube parts any more.)

Not so. The Day travelcard fare gets 34% off just like the London
Terminals Cheap Day Return does.

Examples:
Cambridge-London Terminals CDR: 17.60, with Network card: 11.60. 66% of
17.60=11.62.
Cambridge Day Travelcard: 22.50 with Network card: 14.85. 66% of
22.50=14.85.

What about through fares to Underground zones? For example, Cambridge
to Morden?

In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:02 +0100 (BST), Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

Why? I get Network Card discounts on tickets from Cambridge
that include Underground travel, day Travelcards and tickets to
Underground zones.

You only get the Railcard discounts on the NR part of the fare,
not the Tube part. (Though through fares are now calculated in a
complicated and obscure way, and I'm not sure they're even the
sum of NR and Tube parts any more.)

Not so. The Day travelcard fare gets 34% off just like the London
Terminals Cheap Day Return does.

Examples:
Cambridge-London Terminals CDR: 17.60, with Network card: 11.60.
66% of 17.60=11.62.
Cambridge Day Travelcard: 22.50 with Network card: 14.85. 66% of
22.50=14.85.

What about through fares to Underground zones? For example,
Cambridge to Morden?

Not sold as that AIUI. Cambridge to Zones 1 & 2 Saver Return: 29.00,
with Network card: 19:15 66% of 29.00=19.14

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

Not sold as that AIUI. Cambridge to Zones 1 & 2 Saver Return: 29.00,
with Network card: 19:15 66% of 29.00=19.14

This is true - but it's an odd anachronism, almost, that applies only
to TfL but not any other PTE or similar[1].

[1] Actually, that's not quite true. Railcard discounts are available
on through coach/rail fares involving the Stagecoach X5 and VT99 rail
links and probably others. The discount is on the complete fare, not
the train fare alone!

Neil

In article . com,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

Not sold as that AIUI. Cambridge to Zones 1 & 2 Saver Return:
29.00, with Network card: 19:15 66% of 29.00=19.14

This is true - but it's an odd anachronism, almost, that applies
only to TfL but not any other PTE or similar[1].

How many PTEs have an equivalent of the Network Card? I suppose YP or
Senior Railcard discounts are similar though in the latter case many
PTEs have higher discounts.

[1] Actually, that's not quite true. Railcard discounts are
available on through coach/rail fares involving the Stagecoach X5 and
VT99 rail links and probably others. The discount is on the complete
fare, not the train fare alone!

Pah! The X5 is an evil attempt by Vermin through their ownership of
thetrainline to abstract traffic from though services operated by
Central Trains.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:50 +0100 (BST), Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

What about through fares to Underground zones? For example,
Cambridge to Morden?

Not sold as that AIUI. Cambridge to Zones 1 & 2 Saver Return: 29.00,
with Network card: 19:15 66% of 29.00=19.14

Interesting. I thought that at least prior to the 2006 fares revision,
you didn't get the Railcard discount on the U12 part of the fare. (The
through fare would have been calculated as the sum of a Cambridge to
Finsbury Park Saver Return plus two Z12 Tube fares. Now, it's done
differently, though I'm not sure how.)

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

How many PTEs have an equivalent of the Network Card? I suppose YP or
Senior Railcard discounts are similar though in the latter case many
PTEs have higher discounts.

None that I can think of have a "loyalty card", though fares are often
highly-subsidised anyway.

Pah! The X5 is an evil attempt by Vermin through their ownership of
thetrainline to abstract traffic from though services operated by
Central Trains.

Nonsense. It's a commercially-operated express bus service that fills
in a very useful gap in the rail service. Where does it meet CT,
anyway? I can't think of anywhere it competes with them.

It does abstract from Bedford-Bletchley, but that's because that's not
a covenient service to many. When (I believe it's now a when) the
Bedford-Bletchley gets extended to MK Central that might well change.

Neil

In article .com,
(Neil Williams) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

How many PTEs have an equivalent of the Network Card? I suppose
YP or Senior Railcard discounts are similar though in the latter case
many PTEs have higher discounts.

None that I can think of have a "loyalty card", though fares are
often highly-subsidised anyway.

I was thinking of pensioners.

Pah! The X5 is an evil attempt by Vermin through their ownership
of thetrainline to abstract traffic from though services operated by
Central Trains.

Nonsense. It's a commercially-operated express bus service that
fills in a very useful gap in the rail service. Where does it meet CT,
anyway? I can't think of anywhere it competes with them.

It does abstract from Bedford-Bletchley, but that's because that's
not a covenient service to many. When (I believe it's now a when) the
Bedford-Bletchley gets extended to MK Central that might well
change.

It attempts to abstract from Cambridge-Birmingham, despite Central
running through trains that take less time. Try looking up
Cambridge-Birmingham on the NRE web site some time.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:50 +0100 (BST), Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

What about through fares to Underground zones? For example,
Cambridge to Morden?

Not sold as that AIUI. Cambridge to Zones 1 & 2 Saver Return:
29.00, with Network card: 19:15 66% of 29.00=19.14

Interesting. I thought that at least prior to the 2006 fares
revision, you didn't get the Railcard discount on the U12 part of the
fare. (The through fare would have been calculated as the sum of a
Cambridge to Finsbury Park Saver Return plus two Z12 Tube fares. Now,
it's done differently, though I'm not sure how.)

Even though most Cambridge-London services don't stop at Finsbury Park?

I'd never come across any Network Card discount that wasn't a straight
34% until 'one's special Cambridge-London fares.

--
Colin Rosenstiel