Further to out thread of November last year
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5301366.stm

Is there any further detail ?- I still unsure as to whether this is the
first installment of the West London scheme - then heading via Holland
park and Shepherd's Bush to Uxbridge or a link to the Cross River
Scheme or both. It does however seem eminently sensible. What has been
the response of the taxi driving community?

"Bob" wrote in news:1158689984.356980.88880
@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Further to out thread of November last year
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5301366.stm

Is there any further detail ?- I still unsure as to whether this is the
first installment of the West London scheme - then heading via Holland
park and Shepherd's Bush to Uxbridge or a link to the Cross River
Scheme or both. It does however seem eminently sensible. What has been
the response of the taxi driving community?


The best question is "where is the depot?". Unless the plan is to dig up
Hyde Park (unlikely) an isolated Oxford Street tramway with steel wheeled
cars doesn't work.

David Jackman wrote:
"Bob" wrote in news:1158689984.356980.88880
@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Further to out thread of November last year
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5301366.stm

Is there any further detail ?- I still unsure as to whether this is the
first installment of the West London scheme - then heading via Holland
park and Shepherd's Bush to Uxbridge or a link to the Cross River
Scheme or both. It does however seem eminently sensible. What has been
the response of the taxi driving community?


The best question is "where is the depot?". Unless the plan is to dig up
Hyde Park (unlikely) an isolated Oxford Street tramway with steel wheeled
cars doesn't work.

Could it share one with Cross River Transit? Then you'd just need a
connexion from TCR to Holborn or Russell Square, which isn't too far.
The TfL site doesn't expect CRT to be open till 2016, but the plan for
'trams by 2013' for Oxford St seems optimistic...

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:41:37 -0500, David Jackman
wrote:

"Bob" wrote in news:1158689984.356980.88880
:

Further to out thread of November last year
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5301366.stm

Is there any further detail ?- I still unsure as to whether this is the
first installment of the West London scheme - then heading via Holland
park and Shepherd's Bush to Uxbridge or a link to the Cross River
Scheme or both. It does however seem eminently sensible. What has been
the response of the taxi driving community?


The best question is "where is the depot?". Unless the plan is to dig up
Hyde Park (unlikely) an isolated Oxford Street tramway with steel wheeled
cars doesn't work.

Either run it as a 24 hour or near 24 hour service, with just a few
sidings here and there to drop a few cars out of service at night;
plus a ramp down to the Central Line, and trundle off to another ramp
up to the West London tram, and go to their depots once a week for a
major clean etc?

That, or maybe one of those very large university/medical buildings up
TCR way might fancy being rebuilt and could accomodate some sort of
fancy dual-level depot on the ground floor and basement?

But in seriousness you are right, if anything is a showstopper, the
lack of a depot space must be.

Peter Frimberley wrote:

Further to out thread of November last year
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5301366.stm

Either run it as a 24 hour or near 24 hour service, with just a few
sidings here and there to drop a few cars out of service at night;
plus a ramp down to the Central Line, and trundle off to another ramp
up to the West London tram, and go to their depots once a week for a
major clean etc?

No tram currently made would fit in the Central Line tunnels.

That, or maybe one of those very large university/medical buildings up
TCR way might fancy being rebuilt and could accomodate some sort of
fancy dual-level depot on the ground floor and basement?

There's a vacant lot at Cramer Street. It's the exact size of the tram depot
(building only) at Therapia St.

Since the distance from TCR to Marble Arch is only about 2.5 times as long
as one of the gate accesses in Schiphol, I think a series of travolators
would be a better solution, but less disabled-friendly

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Peter Frimberley wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:41:37 -0500, David Jackman
wrote:

"Bob" wrote in news:1158689984.356980.88880
@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Further to out thread of November last year
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5301366.stm

Is there any further detail ?

The best question is "where is the depot?". Unless the plan is to dig
up Hyde Park (unlikely) an isolated Oxford Street tramway with steel
wheeled cars doesn't work.

Either run it as a 24 hour or near 24 hour service, with just a few
sidings here and there to drop a few cars out of service at night; plus
a ramp down to the Central Line, and trundle off to another ramp up to
the West London tram, and go to their depots once a week for a major
clean etc?

Store them on-street, and have some specialised low-loaders to cart them
off, broken into separate cars, for maintenance?

That, or maybe one of those very large university/medical buildings up
TCR way might fancy being rebuilt and could accomodate some sort of
fancy dual-level depot on the ground floor and basement?

I'm sure Dave would be only too happy to see this patch of ground dug up:

http://maps.google.co.uk/?z=19&ll=51...,-0.133955&t=k



Slightly more seriously, how about the Royal Mail sorting office on
Rathbone Place? Their carpark is almost exactly the same size as the
Therapia Lane building. I've no idea what's under it (apart from a defunct
Mail Rail station), but it's conceivable that you could have a two-storey
setup, with a floor of stabling (maybe even two, as mezzanines) and a
floor of workshops above it, linked by a lift, with the Royal Mail vans
parking on top of that. Could even synergise and run mail trams ...

tom

--
Formal logical proofs, and therefore programs, are *utterly
meaningless*. -- Dehnadi and Bornat

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Peter Frimberley wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:41:37 -0500, David Jackman
wrote:

"Bob" wrote in
news:1158689984.356980.88880
@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Further to out thread of November last year
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5301366.stm

Is there any further detail ?

The best question is "where is the depot?". Unless the plan is to
dig up Hyde Park (unlikely) an isolated Oxford Street tramway with
steel wheeled cars doesn't work.

Either run it as a 24 hour or near 24 hour service, with just a few
sidings here and there to drop a few cars out of service at night;
plus a ramp down to the Central Line, and trundle off to another ramp
up to the West London tram, and go to their depots once a week for a
major clean etc?

Store them on-street, and have some specialised low-loaders to cart them
off, broken into separate cars, for maintenance?

That, or maybe one of those very large university/medical buildings up
TCR way might fancy being rebuilt and could accomodate some sort of
fancy dual-level depot on the ground floor and basement?

I'm sure Dave would be only too happy to see this patch of ground dug up:

http://maps.google.co.uk/?z=19&ll=51...,-0.133955&t=k



My loyalty lies with Imperial, you can insert a tram depot in UCL if you
want!

Slightly more seriously, how about the Royal Mail sorting office on
Rathbone Place? Their carpark is almost exactly the same size as the
Therapia Lane building. I've no idea what's under it (apart from a
defunct Mail Rail station), but it's conceivable that you could have a
two-storey setup, with a floor of stabling (maybe even two, as
mezzanines) and a floor of workshops above it, linked by a lift, with
the Royal Mail vans parking on top of that. Could even synergise and run
mail trams ...

Sounds like too efficient a plan to me.

I think various surface stabling points are possible. The gyratory
system at Marble Arch probably won't survive any improvements to Oxford
Street (thankfully), so any space released could provide a tram
terminus/stable. If there's enough space, it could be made reasonably
secure. Additionally, numerous bus stands would be freed up around
Oxford Street.

Ken also mentioned replacing various buildings by St Giles Circus with a
convention centre - which might incorporate a basement (or even surface
undercroft) tram depot.

However, I think the easiest option would be to plug it into CRT.
Through running might only be possible outside the peaks, when CRT will
be at capacity with 40tph.

--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Dave Arquati wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Peter Frimberley wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:41:37 -0500, David Jackman
wrote:

"Bob" wrote in
news:1158689984.356980.88880
@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Further to out thread of November last year
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5301366.stm

Is there any further detail ?

The best question is "where is the depot?". Unless the plan is to
dig up Hyde Park (unlikely) an isolated Oxford Street tramway with
steel wheeled cars doesn't work.

Either run it as a 24 hour or near 24 hour service, with just a few
sidings here and there to drop a few cars out of service at night;
plus a ramp down to the Central Line, and trundle off to another ramp
up to the West London tram, and go to their depots once a week for a
major clean etc?

Store them on-street, and have some specialised low-loaders to cart them
off, broken into separate cars, for maintenance?

That, or maybe one of those very large university/medical buildings up
TCR way might fancy being rebuilt and could accomodate some sort of
fancy dual-level depot on the ground floor and basement?

I'm sure Dave would be only too happy to see this patch of ground dug up:

http://maps.google.co.uk/?z=19&ll=51...,-0.133955&t=k



My loyalty lies with Imperial, you can insert a tram depot in UCL if you
want!

Slightly more seriously, how about the Royal Mail sorting office on
Rathbone Place? Their carpark is almost exactly the same size as the
Therapia Lane building. I've no idea what's under it (apart from a
defunct Mail Rail station), but it's conceivable that you could have a
two-storey setup, with a floor of stabling (maybe even two, as
mezzanines) and a floor of workshops above it, linked by a lift, with
the Royal Mail vans parking on top of that. Could even synergise and run
mail trams ...

Sounds like too efficient a plan to me.

I think various surface stabling points are possible. The gyratory
system at Marble Arch probably won't survive any improvements to Oxford
Street (thankfully), so any space released could provide a tram
terminus/stable. If there's enough space, it could be made reasonably
secure. Additionally, numerous bus stands would be freed up around
Oxford Street.

Ken also mentioned replacing various buildings by St Giles Circus with a
convention centre - which might incorporate a basement (or even surface
undercroft) tram depot.

However, I think the easiest option would be to plug it into CRT.
Through running might only be possible outside the peaks, when CRT will
be at capacity with 40tph.

As of yesterday I couldn't find anything on the TFL, the Mayors or the
Oxford street companies website about this. Are they just slow putting
this up or is this just a PR stunt they have no intention of
implementing?

Bob wrote:
Further to out thread of November last year
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5301366.stm

From the article: 'A spokesman for the New West End Company said:
"Everyone recognises that Oxford Street's challenge is congestion. We
are pleased that the decision makers are looking at effective ideas
that will address this issue and turn it into a people place."'

It's a relief to hear an interest group actually keeping an open mind
on a possible project, rather than screaming loudly about loss of trade
due to people not being able to park outside the stores etc.

Patrick

kytelly wrote:
Dave Arquati wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Peter Frimberley wrote:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:41:37 -0500, David Jackman
wrote:

"Bob" wrote in
news:1158689984.356980.88880
@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Further to out thread of November last year
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5301366.stm

Is there any further detail ?
The best question is "where is the depot?". Unless the plan is to
dig up Hyde Park (unlikely) an isolated Oxford Street tramway with
steel wheeled cars doesn't work.
Either run it as a 24 hour or near 24 hour service, with just a few
sidings here and there to drop a few cars out of service at night;
plus a ramp down to the Central Line, and trundle off to another ramp
up to the West London tram, and go to their depots once a week for a
major clean etc?
Store them on-street, and have some specialised low-loaders to cart them
off, broken into separate cars, for maintenance?

That, or maybe one of those very large university/medical buildings up
TCR way might fancy being rebuilt and could accomodate some sort of
fancy dual-level depot on the ground floor and basement?
I'm sure Dave would be only too happy to see this patch of ground dug up:

http://maps.google.co.uk/?z=19&ll=51...,-0.133955&t=k


My loyalty lies with Imperial, you can insert a tram depot in UCL if you
want!

Slightly more seriously, how about the Royal Mail sorting office on
Rathbone Place? Their carpark is almost exactly the same size as the
Therapia Lane building. I've no idea what's under it (apart from a
defunct Mail Rail station), but it's conceivable that you could have a
two-storey setup, with a floor of stabling (maybe even two, as
mezzanines) and a floor of workshops above it, linked by a lift, with
the Royal Mail vans parking on top of that. Could even synergise and run
mail trams ...
Sounds like too efficient a plan to me.

I think various surface stabling points are possible. The gyratory
system at Marble Arch probably won't survive any improvements to Oxford
Street (thankfully), so any space released could provide a tram
terminus/stable. If there's enough space, it could be made reasonably
secure. Additionally, numerous bus stands would be freed up around
Oxford Street.

Ken also mentioned replacing various buildings by St Giles Circus with a
convention centre - which might incorporate a basement (or even surface
undercroft) tram depot.

However, I think the easiest option would be to plug it into CRT.
Through running might only be possible outside the peaks, when CRT will
be at capacity with 40tph.

As of yesterday I couldn't find anything on the TFL, the Mayors or the
Oxford street companies website about this. Are they just slow putting
this up or is this just a PR stunt they have no intention of
implementing?

It was apparently revealed in a chat the Mayor had on BBC London 94.9.
The actual report doesn't come out for another month.

--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London