"Earl Purple" wrote in message
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Brimstone wrote:


That depends on the indivual and whilst true for some isn't true for all.
But it's not the speed that's the cause of the crash, it's the failure to
concentrate.

We know that attempting to take a bend at too high a speed will cause the
vehicle to want to continue in a straight line and collide with the
countryside. What similar forces or action will cause a car travelling
slowly to crash?

No, it will mean it is harder for the driver to control, so when the
driver crashes it will be because he was unable to control the path of
the car.

Which may or may not be true but is beside the point since the end reuslt is
the same.


Of course, driving at a slower speed would make it easier to control,
but the analogy is the same.

The only time speed would directly cause a crash is if you drive into
the back of a vehicle going slower than yourself.

Right so after all that you agree that traveliing at a slow speed does not,
in itself, cause someone to crash the car they're driving.

Brimstone wrote:

Right so after all that you agree that traveliing at a slow speed does not,
in itself, cause someone to crash the car they're driving.

No, the only speed that will guarantee that you can't crash into
anything is remaining stationary.

Even at a slow speed you can hit something.

Earl Purple wrote:
Brimstone wrote:

Right so after all that you agree that traveliing at a slow speed
does not, in itself, cause someone to crash the car they're driving.

No, the only speed that will guarantee that you can't crash into
anything is remaining stationary.

Even at a slow speed you can hit something.

Quite true, but it won't be the speed that causes the collision in the same
way that excessive sped can and does will it?

Brimstone wrote:
Earl Purple wrote:
Brimstone wrote:

Right so after all that you agree that traveliing at a slow speed
does not, in itself, cause someone to crash the car they're driving.

No, the only speed that will guarantee that you can't crash into
anything is remaining stationary.

Even at a slow speed you can hit something.

Quite true, but it won't be the speed that causes the collision in the same
way that excessive sped can and does will it?

When faced with a stationary object, any speed is excessive for the
conditions.

Earl Purple wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
Earl Purple wrote:
Brimstone wrote:

Right so after all that you agree that traveliing at a slow speed
does not, in itself, cause someone to crash the car they're
driving.

No, the only speed that will guarantee that you can't crash into
anything is remaining stationary.

Even at a slow speed you can hit something.

Quite true, but it won't be the speed that causes the collision in
the same way that excessive sped can and does will it?

When faced with a stationary object, any speed is excessive for the
conditions.

Quite true. But this stationary object is your invention and doesn't feature
in the original scenario.

Brimstone wrote:

Quite true. But this stationary object is your invention and doesn't feature
in the original scenario.

Well let's imagine then that there is something coming from behind
towards you that is out of control. Let's say this object, whatever it
is, is approaching at 30mph and there is no way you can get out of its
way. It will be pretty nasty if it catches up with you and hits you.

So what is safer, driving faster or driving slower?

Earl Purple wrote:
Brimstone wrote:

Quite true. But this stationary object is your invention and doesn't
feature in the original scenario.

Well let's imagine

That's not necessary. The original scenrio was dealing with a single vehicle
on a road.


then that there is something coming from behind
towards you that is out of control. Let's say this object, whatever it
is, is approaching at 30mph and there is no way you can get out of its
way. It will be pretty nasty if it catches up with you and hits you.

So what is safer, driving faster or driving slower?

You quite obviously have a vivid imagintion, have you considered writing a
novel or other work of fiction?

Earl Purple wrote:
Brimstone wrote:

Quite true. But this stationary object is your invention and doesn't
feature in the original scenario.

Well let's imagine then that there is something coming from behind
towards you that is out of control. Let's say this object, whatever it
is, is approaching at 30mph and there is no way you can get out of its
way. It will be pretty nasty if it catches up with you and hits you.

So what is safer, driving faster or driving slower?

Obviously if you drive faster you will be safer. Duh.

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:54:51 +0100, Brimstone wrote
(in message ):

Right so after all that you agree that traveliing at a slow speed does not,
in itself, cause someone to crash the car they're driving.

Which is actually irrelevant to the discussion - that driving slowly may well
mean that YOU don't have an accident. I have personally witnessed people who
didn't have an accident themselves but (very nearly) left a trail of
devastation in their wake. Driving excessively slowly for the condition DOES
result in an increase of risk overall due to the effect on other road users.

I dare say you'll argue that this is the fault of those that get frustrated,
but this would be falling into the same trap as those that pass
laws/regulations with no regard to human nature and wonder why they don't
work.

"Simon Hobson" wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:54:51 +0100, Brimstone wrote
(in message ):

Right so after all that you agree that traveliing at a slow speed does
not,
in itself, cause someone to crash the car they're driving.

Which is actually irrelevant to the discussion

The comment to which I responded was that travelling at an inappropriate
speed causes drivers to crash.

- that driving slowly may well
mean that YOU don't have an accident. I have personally witnessed people
who
didn't have an accident themselves but (very nearly) left a trail of
devastation in their wake. Driving excessively slowly for the condition
DOES
result in an increase of risk overall due to the effect on other road
users.

That's a verifiable fact.


I dare say you'll argue that this is the fault of those that get
frustrated,
but this would be falling into the same trap as those that pass
laws/regulations with no regard to human nature and wonder why they don't
work.

Everyone needs to have proper regard for everyone else. Some people need to
slow down (both metaphorically and vehicle speed) whilst others need to get
their wits about them and realise that other people need to make decent
progress..