Tristán White wrote:

It's quite useful to hover in this limbo with easy access to either
platform. So why move the DLR to the NLL platform at Canning Town?

They're NOT moving it. These will be additional DLR platforms for the
new DLR service to Stratford International (For Olympic Stadium) or
whatever it's called this week.

solar penguin wrote:
They're NOT moving it. These will be additional DLR platforms for the
new DLR service to Stratford International (For Olympic Stadium) or
whatever it's called this week.


That's right. The service will be "as is", with the *addition* of a
Stratford - Canning Town - Beckton-or-King George
V-I-can't-remember-which service (the latter, I think).

PhiLD

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solar penguin wrote:
They're NOT moving it. These will be additional DLR platforms for the
new DLR service to Stratford International (For Olympic Stadium) or
whatever it's called this week.


That's right. The service will be "as is", with the *addition* of a
Stratford - Canning Town - Beckton-or-King George
V-I-can't-remember-which service (the latter, I think).

PhiLD

Both - there will be a complex juntion south of Canning Town allowing for
the 4 possible routes.

Paul

Paul Scott wrote:
"PhilD" wrote in message
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solar penguin wrote:
They're NOT moving it. These will be additional DLR platforms for
the new DLR service to Stratford International (For Olympic
Stadium) or whatever it's called this week.


That's right. The service will be "as is", with the *addition* of a
Stratford - Canning Town - Beckton-or-King George
V-I-can't-remember-which service (the latter, I think).

PhiLD

Both - there will be a complex juntion south of Canning Town allowing
for the 4 possible routes.

Are they planning to run all four routes regularly? If so, it would be
better for passengers if the northbound tracks had their junction south of
the station, and the southbound tracks had their junction north of the
station. But that would require building new DLR platforms at approximately
the same height as the existing DLR platforms... and then the tracks
probably wouldn't fit beneath the road bridge to the north.

John Rowland wrote:
Paul Scott wrote:
"PhilD" wrote in message
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solar penguin wrote:
They're NOT moving it. These will be additional DLR platforms for
the new DLR service to Stratford International (For Olympic
Stadium) or whatever it's called this week.

That's right. The service will be "as is", with the *addition* of a
Stratford - Canning Town - Beckton-or-King George
V-I-can't-remember-which service (the latter, I think).

PhiLD

Both - there will be a complex juntion south of Canning Town allowing
for the 4 possible routes.

Are they planning to run all four routes regularly? If so, it would be
better for passengers if the northbound tracks had their junction south of
the station, and the southbound tracks had their junction north of the
station. But that would require building new DLR platforms at approximately
the same height as the existing DLR platforms... and then the tracks
probably wouldn't fit beneath the road bridge to the north.

AFAIK the service pattern will see all four routes run at regular
intervals - 5tph Stratford Int'l to Beckton, 5tph Stratford Int'l to
Woolwich Arsenal, 10tph Woolwich Arsenal to Poplar (5tph onwards to
Lewisham via Canary Wharf, 5tph to Bank) and about 8tph Beckton to Tower
Gateway.

My understanding of the Dagenham Dock extension is that there would be
10tph (peak) Dagenham Dock to Stratford Int'l, although I'm not sure if
these would substitute for or be additional to the Beckton to Stratford
Int'l 5tph.

I think a "next train to..." indicator in the ticket hall will be much
cheaper than reconstructing the A13...


--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

PhilD wrote:
solar penguin wrote:
They're NOT moving it. These will be additional DLR platforms for the
new DLR service to Stratford International (For Olympic Stadium) or
whatever it's called this week.


That's right. The service will be "as is", with the *addition* of a
Stratford - Canning Town - Beckton-or-King George
V-I-can't-remember-which service (the latter, I think).

PhiLD

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Indeed the situation will be just the same as now if you're going into
town. If you're heading to Beckton or King George V, however, it will
become rather less convenient - since the first train could leave from
either the current DLR platform or the current NLL platform, and the
two are rather far apart!

"brixtonite" wrote in
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Indeed the situation will be just the same as now if you're going into
town. If you're heading to Beckton or King George V, however, it will
become rather less convenient - since the first train could leave from
either the current DLR platform or the current NLL platform, and the
two are rather far apart!



Thanks. I guess the same will happen if you're going from Canning Town to
Stratford - which platform to go to.

(As is at the moment with the NLL and JLE, but there's not much competition
from NLL for this short route unless the JLE is suspended).

All the more reason for hoping that there'll be a big, useful, informative
dot matrix display showing the times of the next Beckton/KGeorge V train,
and the next Stratford train, on the ticket office level.

It will prove useful, and mean people won't be running from one platform to
another when they realise that one line has problems and the next one is in
1 minute on the other platform!!

Will it happen? I hope so!! But I won't cross my fingers. I haven't seen
much collaboration between the tube lines and the DLL lines when it comes
to signage (how easy would it be to have that board with GOOD SERVICE
written on it to include the DLR?!)

Even on the tubes, they can't always do something simple to help customers.
I remember often arriving at Euston and not knowing which branch to take -
and no information regarding which one had the next train. Whereas Camden
Town has the perfect solution: a nice board in the middle with the next
train clearly pointed out.

"Tristán White" wrote in message
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"brixtonite" wrote in
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Indeed the situation will be just the same as now if you're going into
town. If you're heading to Beckton or King George V, however, it will
become rather less convenient - since the first train could leave from
either the current DLR platform or the current NLL platform, and the
two are rather far apart!


Thanks. I guess the same will happen if you're going from Canning Town to
Stratford - which platform to go to.


No it won't be the same - the junctions are south of Canning Town, so
northbound trains will already have been seperated into Bank and Stratford -
you can only get over the Jubilee line from the high level (existing)
platforms. Think about the situation at Camden Town on the Northern line,
its just the same, with the complex crossings south of the station.

If there was room to the north of the station you could have had the
splitting junctions at either ends of the station, then all 4 platforms
could have a nominated destination.

Paul

Thanks. I guess the same will happen if you're going from Canning Town to
Stratford - which platform to go to.


No it won't be the same - the junctions are south of Canning Town, so
northbound trains will already have been seperated into Bank and Stratford -
you can only get over the Jubilee line from the high level (existing)
platforms. Think about the situation at Camden Town on the Northern line,
its just the same, with the complex crossings south of the station.

I think Tristan meant that you could take either the JLE or the DLR to
Stratford - and hence could go from two different platforms. But since
the Jubilee line has a high frequency and fewer stops than the DLR will
have there's probably no competition, except late at night etc when
there's a reduced service.


If there was room to the north of the station you could have had the
splitting junctions at either ends of the station, then all 4 platforms
could have a nominated destination.


hmm, that would have been ideal - I guess the A13 means the stratford
branch couldn't reach the current DLR platforms?

Whereas Camden
Town has the perfect solution: a nice board in the middle with the next
train clearly pointed out.

I certainly wouldn't call Camden Town perfect! Relying on electronic
boards (which can be, and often are, faulty) is not as good as an
island platform where you can wait in one place and be sure of getting
the first train. In fact whenever I've been at Camden I find myself
and dozens of others rushing from one platform to the other and then
back again in search of trains taking the right route.

(Although even an island platform as at Earl's court isn't great, since
there are often trains on both sides going the same way, with no sign
as to which will leave first)

"brixtonite" wrote in
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I think Tristan meant that you could take either the JLE or the DLR to
Stratford - and hence could go from two different platforms. But
SNIP

Thanks Brixtonite, I did :-)