In message , John Rowland
writes
Stephen Farrow wrote:

And never mind the newer systems - double-decker buses and trams
coexisted perfectly well throughout the first half of the twentieth
century. It's a non-issue.

There are also numerous railway level crossings where lorries and buses pass
beneath much higher voltages, including two in the Enfield/Waltham Cross
area.

Although the railway did get a bit upset when they discovered that the
Lea Valley Leisure open top bus service was passing beneath it!
--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Tristán White wrote:

http://www.crossriverpartnership.org/page.asp?id=1236

Are all these trams going to share the road like in the old days, and
like you have in most of Europe eg Prague, or are they going to be in
a sort of raised lane just for the trams?

The entire length of the Cross River Transit will have two dedicated or
nearly-dedicated tracks: nearly dedicated, in so far as only local access
traffic will be allowed in. If you cunningly alternate sections where cars
are only allowed to share the northbound track with sections where cars are
only allowed to share the southbound track, you end up with cars still able
to get to all of the side roads, but the tram route is no longer of any use
to through traffic. Tram sensors will control all of the traffic lights
which allow the local access cars onto the tracks, so that nothing should
hold the trams up. The only place the trams won't have complete control of
everything is where the route crosses the Euston Road.

"John Rowland" wrote in
:

Tristán White wrote:

http://www.crossriverpartnership.org/page.asp?id=1236

Are all these trams going to share the road like in the old days, and
like you have in most of Europe eg Prague, or are they going to be in
a sort of raised lane just for the trams?

The entire length of the Cross River Transit will have two dedicated
or nearly-dedicated tracks: nearly dedicated, in so far as only local
access traffic will be allowed in. If you cunningly alternate sections
where cars are only allowed to share the northbound track with
sections where cars are only allowed to share the southbound track,
you end up with cars still able to get to all of the side roads, but
the tram route is no longer of any use to through traffic. Tram
sensors will control all of the traffic lights which allow the local
access cars onto the tracks, so that nothing should hold the trams up.
The only place the trams won't have complete control of everything is
where the route crosses the Euston Road.


Excellent. I was hoping you'd be able to give a good answer!

I'm really looking forward to trams being a major part of the city. Far
greener and more punctual than buses, a nicer way to see the city
compared to the tubes, and there's something romantic about a tram -
perhaps it's because there are trams in all those romantic cities in
Europe, perhaps it's because of all those wonderful Black and White
films in America before General Motors took it upon themselves to pretty
much destroy the tram industry in the USA in the 40s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General...car_conspiracy if you
haven't got a clue what I'm on about...

I know Cross River will be using Waterloo Bridge, but what about the
other crossings of the other trams? Above or below the river? The new
Thames Gateway bridge? And the crossing to Kinsgston?

Looking (again) at my local map of my area 1893 (Greengate, near
Plaistow) I see there used to be a massive tram depot off Jedburgh Road
- what is now the Spectacle Works. How brilliant.

On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, Tristán White wrote:

General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy

This would be a good name for a band.

tom

--
The sun just came out, I can't believe it

In message . 145,
Tristán White writes
there's something romantic about a tram - perhaps it's because there
are trams in all those romantic cities in Europe,

Croydon, Birmingham, Nottingham, Manchester....... :-)

--
Ian Jelf, MITG
Birmingham, UK

Registered Blue Badge Tourist Guide for London and the Heart of England
http://www.bluebadge.demon.co.uk

Tristán White wrote:

I know Cross River will be using Waterloo Bridge, but what about the
other crossings of the other trams? Above or below the river? The new
Thames Gateway bridge? And the crossing to Kinsgston?

The line shown to Kingston is a railway, not a tramway, and will be using
the existing tracks from Gunnersbury to Kingston. The purple line from
Custom House will be a new tunnel for Crossrail. The pink line from Gallions
Reach will be two dedicated public transport lanes on the new Thames Gateway
Bridge.

"Tristán White" wrote:
Just had another look at what is without a doubt my favourite London
transport map:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/downloads/pdf/press-releases/putting-transport-onthemap.pdf

It's how the network SHOULD look in 2016. I love the map.

One thing that made me wonder about things is Dalston Junction. Have the
Crossrail 2 plans gone to pot?

--
"For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died."

AstraVanMan wrote:
"Tristán White" wrote:
Just had another look at what is without a doubt my favourite London
transport map:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/downloads/pdf/press-releases/putting-transport-onthemap.pdf

It's how the network SHOULD look in 2016. I love the map.

One thing that made me wonder about things is Dalston Junction. Have the
Crossrail 2 plans gone to pot?

No - but Crossrail 1 is very much the focus. In fact, I heard the other
day that some amendments were being made to the CR2 safeguarding to keep
it up to date - not sure exactly what, but it's still alive - just in
hibernation.

Construction on CR2 would never begin before CR1 construction ended -
there just aren't the resources for it. However, it would be entirely
possible to roll the CR1 construction team straight on to CR2, saving a
lot of time (and possibly money). ISTR a suggestion that the Olympic
construction team was rolled straight on to CR1 in the same way.

--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London