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My wife has an all-zones Travelcard/Gold Card. Next Wednesday she needs
to make a single journey from Northfleet in Kent to central London,
leaving at peak time (8.23).

The train at this time travels to Dartford, which is immediately outside
Zone 6 and therefore still not covered by her Gold Card, then goes fast
to Abbey Wood, which is in Zone 4, i.e. quite a way into her Gold Card
area.

So my question is, can she buy a ticket from Northfleet to a
just-in-Zone-6 station such as Slade Green (which she'd be passing
through but not stopping at) and use that to bridge the part uncovered
by her ticket? Or would a ticket to Dartford plus her travelcard cover
her (I'm guessing not, since the stretch between Dartford and Zone 6 is
then not covered)? Or does she have no choice but to fork out for a
single from Northfleet to Abbey Wood, despite the duplication of ticket
validity? Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any help,

Paul

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"Paul Speller" wrote in message
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My wife has an all-zones Travelcard/Gold Card. Next Wednesday she needs
to make a single journey from Northfleet in Kent to central London,
leaving at peak time (8.23).

The train at this time travels to Dartford, which is immediately outside
Zone 6 and therefore still not covered by her Gold Card, then goes fast
to Abbey Wood, which is in Zone 4, i.e. quite a way into her Gold Card
area.

So my question is, can she buy a ticket from Northfleet to a
just-in-Zone-6 station such as Slade Green (which she'd be passing
through but not stopping at) and use that to bridge the part uncovered
by her ticket? Or would a ticket to Dartford plus her travelcard cover
her (I'm guessing not, since the stretch between Dartford and Zone 6 is
then not covered)? Or does she have no choice but to fork out for a
single from Northfleet to Abbey Wood, despite the duplication of ticket
validity? Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any help,

Paul


Slade Green should be fine. If you are combining a single ticket with a
season ticket, the train doesn't need to stop at the 'changeover' station...

Paul S.


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"Paul Speller" wrote in message
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My wife has an all-zones Travelcard/Gold Card. Next Wednesday she needs
to make a single journey from Northfleet in Kent to central London,
leaving at peak time (8.23).

The train at this time travels to Dartford, which is immediately outside
Zone 6 and therefore still not covered by her Gold Card, then goes fast
to Abbey Wood, which is in Zone 4, i.e. quite a way into her Gold Card
area.

So my question is, can she buy a ticket from Northfleet to a
just-in-Zone-6 station such as Slade Green (which she'd be passing
through but not stopping at) and use that to bridge the part uncovered
by her ticket? Or would a ticket to Dartford plus her travelcard cover
her (I'm guessing not, since the stretch between Dartford and Zone 6 is
then not covered)? Or does she have no choice but to fork out for a
single from Northfleet to Abbey Wood, despite the duplication of ticket
validity? Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any help,

Paul


Slade Green should be fine. If you are combining a single ticket with a
season ticket, the train doesn't need to stop at the 'changeover'
station...

Paul S.


Forgot the reference:
National Conditions of carriage sect 19
http://nationalrail.co.uk/system/gal...misc/NRCOC.pdf

Paul S.


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My understanding is that there are "special" fares for the extension -
certainly when I have travelled out to Northfleet on my GoldCard, I have
bought a Zone 6 to Northfleet extension.

John

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"Paul Speller" wrote in message
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My wife has an all-zones Travelcard/Gold Card. Next Wednesday she needs
to make a single journey from Northfleet in Kent to central London,
leaving at peak time (8.23).

The train at this time travels to Dartford, which is immediately outside
Zone 6 and therefore still not covered by her Gold Card, then goes fast
to Abbey Wood, which is in Zone 4, i.e. quite a way into her Gold Card
area.

So my question is, can she buy a ticket from Northfleet to a
just-in-Zone-6 station such as Slade Green (which she'd be passing
through but not stopping at) and use that to bridge the part uncovered
by her ticket? Or would a ticket to Dartford plus her travelcard cover
her (I'm guessing not, since the stretch between Dartford and Zone 6 is
then not covered)? Or does she have no choice but to fork out for a
single from Northfleet to Abbey Wood, despite the duplication of ticket
validity? Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any help,

Paul


Slade Green should be fine. If you are combining a single ticket with a
season ticket, the train doesn't need to stop at the 'changeover'
station...

Paul S.


Forgot the reference:
National Conditions of carriage sect 19
http://nationalrail.co.uk/system/gal...misc/NRCOC.pdf

Paul S.



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That's going outwards. I don't think you can do the same going inwards.
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"John" wrote in message
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My understanding is that there are "special" fares for the extension -
certainly when I have travelled out to Northfleet on my GoldCard, I have
bought a Zone 6 to Northfleet extension.

John

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btinternet.com writes

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
news

"Paul Speller" wrote in message
...
My wife has an all-zones Travelcard/Gold Card. Next Wednesday she needs
to make a single journey from Northfleet in Kent to central London,
leaving at peak time (8.23).

The train at this time travels to Dartford, which is immediately
outside
Zone 6 and therefore still not covered by her Gold Card, then goes fast
to Abbey Wood, which is in Zone 4, i.e. quite a way into her Gold Card
area.

So my question is, can she buy a ticket from Northfleet to a
just-in-Zone-6 station such as Slade Green (which she'd be passing
through but not stopping at) and use that to bridge the part uncovered
by her ticket? Or would a ticket to Dartford plus her travelcard cover
her (I'm guessing not, since the stretch between Dartford and Zone 6 is
then not covered)? Or does she have no choice but to fork out for a
single from Northfleet to Abbey Wood, despite the duplication of ticket
validity? Any ideas?

Thanks in advance for any help,

Paul

Slade Green should be fine. If you are combining a single ticket with a
season ticket, the train doesn't need to stop at the 'changeover'
station...

Paul S.


Forgot the reference:
National Conditions of carriage sect 19
http://nationalrail.co.uk/system/gal...misc/NRCOC.pdf

Paul S.



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That's going outwards. I don't think you can do the same going inwards.

Cannot you ask for a ticket to the beginning of the zone ?
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In message , David Biddulph
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That's going outwards. I don't think you can do the same going inwards.


Cannot you ask for a ticket to the beginning of the zone ?


No.

Page K1.5 in the NFM
(http://www.atoc.org/retail/_download...4_Common_K.pdf) says:
"Excess fare tickets must never be issued to a Travelcard Zone or
combination of Zones. They may only be issued from a Boundary Zone to
destinations, and at fares shown, in Section K3."
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:48:01 -0000, Paul Scott wrote:

Slade Green should be fine. If you are combining a single ticket with a
season ticket, the train doesn't need to stop at the 'changeover'
station...

Forgot the reference:
National Conditions of carriage sect 19
http://nationalrail.co.uk/system/gal...misc/NRCOC.pdf


Thanks very much for this info and link - very useful!

Paul S.


Me too

Paul
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Cannot you ask for a ticket to the beginning of the zone ?

No.

Page K1.5 in the NFM
(http://www.atoc.org/retail/_download...4_Common_K.pdf) says:
"Excess fare tickets must never be issued to a Travelcard Zone or
combination of Zones. They may only be issued from a Boundary Zone to
destinations, and at fares shown, in Section K3."


Yes you can ask for a ticket to the beginning of the zone.

That bit of the National Fares Manual describes that tickets _can_ be
issued to the _beginning_ (in practise, the outer boundary) of a zone
(as the OP asked) - for use in conjunction with a ticket valid within
it. The term used is "boundary", so the destination will be printed as
"Boundary Zone 6". The rule quoted above distinguishes between this and
issuing an excess fare to be used anywhere within a zone, as with LUL
tickets for example.

Don't count on the fare being cheaper than that to the first station
inside the boundary, though. That would be far too simple.

To give an example of this in practise (although the "other way
around"):

Earlier this week I travelled from Acton Central (in zone 2) to Watford
North (outside the zones). I held a Travelcard season for zones 2-4. I
therefore purchased a single ticket from "Boundary Zone 4" to Watford
North, and was able to purchase this my origin station. This works out
cheaper than a single for Acton Central-Watford North, and does not
"duplicate ticket validity".

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"Keith Raeburn" wrote in message
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Earlier this week I travelled from Acton Central (in zone 2) to Watford
North (outside the zones). I held a Travelcard season for zones 2-4. I
therefore purchased a single ticket from "Boundary Zone 4" to Watford
North, and was able to purchase this my origin station. This works out
cheaper than a single for Acton Central-Watford North, and does not
"duplicate ticket validity".

Yes - but you are describing an outward journey. As has been pointed out
already, you cannot buy an 'inbound' ticket from a NR station outside the
zones. Don't know why.

Paul




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