"Olof Lagerkvist" wrote in message
...


There is a National Rail version of the London Connections map that
specifies individual rail services and train operators (for the high
frequency services at least).
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system...onnections.pdf


I don't think it aims to show 'high frequencies' in the way the of the
'Overground Network', it simply isn't showing services like GNER, MML,
GatEx, because they don't stop within the zonal area...

Paul

On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Michael Hoffman wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006, Olof Lagerkvist wrote:

James Penton wrote:

I was at Chigwell earlier today and saw a poster stating that the station
would be moving to zone 4 from 2nd January 2007 (it's currently in zone
5). This is the first I've heard of this, and there's nothing on the TfL
website about it. I'm sure I didn't imagine the poster!

I have not seen any text actually mentioning the transfer of the loop to
zone 4, but if you look at the new tube zone map for 2007 it is changed.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/lon_con_2007.pdf

BTW... Can anyone see any more changes to the zones on that map? And have
anyone found a new version of the "London Connections" map with the zones
of all railway stations within Greater London?

Or, even better, an online version of the 'high frequency services' map?

For South London there is http://www.overgroundnetwork.com/.

Not the one i'm thinking of! Both this and the map Olof linked to are
useful, but i'd like an electronic copy of the one LU have in many tube
stations, which is the London Connections map modified to show which lines
have a more frequent service. It's not that there's some specific
information i need from it, it's just slightly annoying that there's a
perfectly good map which TfL haven't put on their website!

tom

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I do not think we will have to wait for long.

In article , ess (Olof Lagerkvist) wrote:

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article ,
(tkd) wrote:

Chigwell and Becontree are similar distances from Charing Cross
(about 12 miles), so it does seem unfair that Becontree is in
zone 5 (especially given it is in Greater London, while Chigwell
is just outside).

Does this make Chigwell the only party of Zone 4 outside Greater
London.

The Worcester Park station is in zone 4 and it is right at the
boundary of Greater London, but I do not know if it is actually
within or outside.

Worcester Park station is situated with the Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames.

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Colin Rosenstiel

On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:42:12 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:

Or, even better, an online version of the 'high frequency services' map?

For South London there is http://www.overgroundnetwork.com/.

Not the one i'm thinking of! Both this and the map Olof linked to are
useful, but i'd like an electronic copy of the one LU have in many tube
stations, which is the London Connections map modified to show which lines
have a more frequent service. It's not that there's some specific
information i need from it, it's just slightly annoying that there's a
perfectly good map which TfL haven't put on their website!

It definitely used to be there.

Its url (combining memory with a quick browse of archive.org) was
http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/tubem...onnections.pdf
and it was only available for around a couple of months in Feb/March
2005. Of course archive.org, being its usual self, doesn't have
archived the actual file you want.

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, asdf wrote:

On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:42:12 +0000, Tom Anderson wrote:

Or, even better, an online version of the 'high frequency services' map?

For South London there is http://www.overgroundnetwork.com/.

Not the one i'm thinking of! Both this and the map Olof linked to are
useful, but i'd like an electronic copy of the one LU have in many tube
stations, which is the London Connections map modified to show which lines
have a more frequent service. It's not that there's some specific
information i need from it, it's just slightly annoying that there's a
perfectly good map which TfL haven't put on their website!

It definitely used to be there.

Its url (combining memory with a quick browse of archive.org) was
http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/content/tubem...onnections.pdf
and it was only available for around a couple of months in Feb/March
2005. Of course archive.org, being its usual self, doesn't have archived
the actual file you want.

Weird. Could there be some sort of copyright issue?

tom

--
It's amazing how often conversations with you have the imaginary sound
of human bones being crushed to rubble in the background. -- itchyfidget,
to snowking

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

In article , (John Salmon) wrote:

"James Penton" wrote in message
...
I was at Chigwell earlier today and saw a poster stating that the
station would be moving to zone 4 from 2nd January 2007 (it's
currently in zone 5). This is the first I've heard of this, and
there's nothing on the TfL website about it. I'm sure I didn't
imagine the poster!

Anyone know any more, are any other stations moving - I'd guess
the whole Hainault loop is going into zone 4?

Yes. See:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/lon_con_2007.pdf

Hmm. The North London Line removed from the tube map again.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

This isn't necessarily a new edition of the standard Tube map - as the
zones are colour-coded it may just be a special version for passengers
to work out what zones they need for their Travelcard season or
something like that. Compare it with the current Tube map which doesn't
colour-code the zones but merely shades alternate zones in grey as a
visual aid:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/colourmap.pdf

That said maybe I'm wrong and it is the new edition of the standard
Tube map.

"James Penton" wrote in message
...
I was at Chigwell earlier today and saw a poster stating that the station
would be moving to zone 4 from 2nd January 2007 (it's currently in zone 5).
This is the first I've heard of this, and there's nothing on the TfL
website about it. I'm sure I didn't imagine the poster!

Anyone know any more, are any other stations moving - I'd guess the whole
Hainault loop is going into zone 4?


BBC covering this today, interesting that the change is to attempt to get
more passengers to use the stations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6215701.stm

Paul

On Fri, 29 Dec 2006, Paul Scott wrote:

"James Penton" wrote in message
...
I was at Chigwell earlier today and saw a poster stating that the station
would be moving to zone 4 from 2nd January 2007 (it's currently in zone 5).
This is the first I've heard of this, and there's nothing on the TfL
website about it. I'm sure I didn't imagine the poster!

Anyone know any more, are any other stations moving - I'd guess the whole
Hainault loop is going into zone 4?

BBC covering this today, interesting that the change is to attempt to get
more passengers to use the stations.

Interesting. That implies that LU think that there's a large pool of
potential passengers who currently get about by other means. What would
those be? Is everyone getting a bus to the Woodford branch and catching
the tube there? Or driving into town? Is it not possible that the stations
are so quiet because there are five stations on 4.39 km of line that runs
along the outer edge of a fairly low-density wedge of suburb? Methinks
closing Barkingside and Hainault might be a better way to make the station
numbers look better - if perhaps not the overall ridership!

Also, any ideas why Roding Valley was built northeast of Woodford
Junction, rather than immediately to the south of it, thus supplying twice
the number of trains?

tom

--
It's just really ****ing good and that's all. -- Gabe, on the Macintosh

Tom Anderson wrote:
Also, any ideas why Roding Valley was built northeast of Woodford
Junction, rather than immediately to the south of it, thus supplying twice
the number of trains?

Many using Roding valley will live a similar distance to Buckhurst Hill
or Woodford, it's a 15 minute walk from Roding valley to either
station, and the houses follow the rail ribbon.

Paul Scott wrote:

BBC covering this today, interesting that the change is to attempt to get
more passengers to use the stations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6215701.stm

Exactly where are they expecting these extra passengers to go to? The line
is not exactly full of vacant seats west (at least) of Stratford!