them.

C2C are also reported to be enabling PAYG acceptance at Dagenham Dock
and Rainham.

Well they are already gated and must be working to the new zonal fares
anyway.


They will still need validators for the manual gates.

In article , (Dave A)
wrote:

There's the problem of format with many pre-booked Intercity
tickets - they're that rather large airline-style ticket (if you
get them by post - if you collect them at a machine, they seem to
be normal credit-card-sized tickets).

Saying that, Paddington has gates which can handle the large
tickets (as does Waterloo International, but those are rather odd
gates).

When I've had Airline-sized tickets valid across London they have come
with credit card sized gate passes for the tube.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Paul Corfield wrote
[...]
Not really sure about this as every LU gate can recognise a fare from
every station in the zonal area. Where the TOCs have installed gates
then "in theory" such gates should recognise the fare from everywhere
that can issue to that location. I don't believe it actually works
like

Most NR gates seem to just recognise tickets that terminate at the
gate's location (point to point seasons and ordinary tickets) plus in
zone travelcards. Break of journey on a season or a ticket means going
to the manual gate.

There have been upgrades so now gates recognise break of journey at
Clapham Junction on point to point tickets but "recognise the fare" ?
No.

"Sir, you didn't touch in so we assume you came from Plymouth".

Not that it can't be done but it needs the system design to be
rethought.

that but I can't see any issue with such equipment knowing fares from
LU
zonal origins and all NR locations within the zones as a minimum
requirement.

Where it gets complex is what the fare is for a given journey -
especially as more orbital journey opportunities become available.

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
In article , (Dave A)
wrote:

There's the problem of format with many pre-booked Intercity
tickets - they're that rather large airline-style ticket (if you
get them by post - if you collect them at a machine, they seem to
be normal credit-card-sized tickets).

Saying that, Paddington has gates which can handle the large
tickets (as does Waterloo International, but those are rather odd
gates).

When I've had Airline-sized tickets valid across London they have come
with credit card sized gate passes for the tube.

Fine if you're crossing London, but there's no included gate pass if
your ticket is only for London Terminals!

--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

Fine if you're crossing London, but there's no included gate pass if
your ticket is only for London Terminals!

--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

London Terminals ticket aren't, in general, valid on the tube.

Fine if you're crossing London, but there's no included gate pass if
your ticket is only for London Terminals!

--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

London Terminals tickets aren't, in general, valid on the tube.

"Matthew Dickinson" wrote in message
ups.com...


Fine if you're crossing London, but there's no included gate pass
if
your ticket is only for London Terminals!

--
Dave Arquati
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London

London Terminals ticket aren't, in general, valid on the tube.


Thats not the point.... its moe that some mainline terminals are
installing (or already have) gates that only take the smaller ticket
size. eg Marylebone, Victoria.

According to today's London Lite, Chiltern are to accept PAYG from June
at the rest of its Greater London stations (Northolt Park to Wembley
Stadium) .

They are also to retail cards outside London.

"We are also happy to announce that we are working very hard with
Transport for London on being the first train company to sell Oyster
Smartcards outside London. We will be launching this to our passengers
in 2007"

C2C are also reported to be enabling PAYG acceptance at Dagenham Dock
and Rainham.

According to the press release on the TfL website they are going to extend
PAYG to c2c stations in the western part of Thurrock by 2008 (Ockendon,
Purfleet, Chafford and Grays). I wonder if they will move them to zone 6 or
have special fares for PAYG to work.

According to the press release on the TfL website they are going to extend
PAYG to c2c stations in the western part of Thurrock by 2008 (Ockendon,
Purfleet, Chafford and Grays). I wonder if they will move them to zone 6 or
have special fares for PAYG to work.

If the travelcard zones are not extended then these stations would, in
theory, be outside the scope of any cap.

According to the press release on the TfL website they are going to extend
PAYG to c2c stations in the western part of Thurrock by 2008 (Ockendon,
Purfleet, Chafford and Grays). I wonder if they will move them to zone 6 or
have special fares for PAYG to work.

If the travelcard zones are not extended then these stations would, in
theory, be outside the scope of any cap.